Re: [OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-09 Per discussione Jmapb
On 12/9/2020 2:34 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: If you can not make an analogy then conversation and discussion is lost and I do not see how this comment would degrade women. Many in the world have the good fortune to live lives where the constant threat of sexual assault is not an issue. To them,

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-29 Per discussione Jmapb
On 9/28/2020 10:10 PM, Albert Pundt wrote: It seems another editor by the name of Fluffy89502 is going around doing similar edits all over the US, even demoting divided, multi-lane roads. Other users have commented on his changesets and he cites the wiki's wording. Yeah when I saw this topic I

Re: [Talk-us] Marking structure as damaged or condemned

2020-08-31 Per discussione Jmapb via Talk-us
On 8/5/2020 9:11 PM, Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us wrote: Tropical Storm Isaias left several homes in my neighborhood severely damaged and condemned. Is there a proper way to map these structures? Thanks, Eric Hi Eric, I've used building=ruins (

Re: [Talk-us] Interested in importing address points in New York State

2020-07-16 Per discussione Jmapb
HI Skyler, I'm also a NY mapper, welcome to the party! You've probably gleaned by now that imports are a touchy subject in OSM. Data license is part of the problem, since only the very most open of open licenses are compatible with OSM. My assumption is that the NYS address data will pass this

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways

2020-07-14 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/14/2020 7:44 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: Around me the norm is that residential driveways (98% of them) are not signed no trespassing, but that it is considered reasonable to use them if 1) you live there 2) you are delivering something 3) you are a guest 4) you are going there for some other

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-14 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/14/2020 4:53 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us wrote: Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 by jm...@gmx.com: On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote: The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be private; at least

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-14 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/13/2020 3:22 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: Out of curiosity, I looked at the tagging of a neighborhood I know of which has privately owned roads (maintained by the homeowner’s association) but no gate blocking entry. There are signs indicating that the roads are “private” but that state road

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-13 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote: The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be private; at least in the US, one does not drive or walk directly up to someone's house without having business there. (Someone making a delivery, obviously,

[Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-13 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/13/2020 12:59 PM, Alex Hennings wrote: The /sole purpose/ of routing is to get the user to their destination without breaking any laws. These are also /specifically my/ /goals /when I'm using a router. Frequently (in my rural area) getting to my destination requires using a privately owned

[Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)

2020-07-12 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/12/2020 6:03 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jmapb mailto:jm...@gmx.com>> wrote: > The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the > tiger:reviewed=no tag until access can be confir

[Talk-us] Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes (was: Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?)

2020-07-12 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/9/2020 6:48 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Personally, I think even that much is overkill for deleting tiger:reviewed. I think that surface, lanes, and traffic controls are things that a mapper can notice are not mapped, irrespective of the TIGER review status. There are lots of hand-mapped roads

Re: [Talk-us] How to map snowmobile trails in US?

2020-05-08 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/7/2020 8:05 PM, Bob Gambrel wrote: So imagine this simple example. A path (of some sort) goes from point A to B. Between points B and C there is no way (no path, road, highway, cycle way, foot path, track, etc. Then there is another path of some sort between points C and D. So the

Re: [OSM-talk] Strava high resolution heatmap

2020-03-31 Per discussione Jmapb via talk
On 3/31/2020 7:26 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: Hi, I am trying to find out at what point we sare with the Strava high-res heatmap. Forma a lagal point of view: can we use it for improving OSM? If yes, how can we do that? Unfortunately there is a lot of out-dated information around. The latest

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-21 Per discussione Jmapb
On 3/21/2020 10:37 AM, Dave F via talk wrote: In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the quality of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of errors as any other contributors, including experienced ones. Unsure why he thinks OSMF should be keeping an eye on

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-20 Per discussione Jmapb
On 3/19/2020 3:17 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > How would a mapper performing imports via RapiD comply with the import guidelines? By complying with the guidelines before setting up an import process that leveraged RapiD for conflation. That doesn't sound so bad to me, pending further details.

Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.

2020-03-19 Per discussione Jmapb
On 3/19/2020 10:43 AM, Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us wrote: Sure, I get that. The flip side is that it is likely to get confusing what is open and when with all the changes occurring. It would be good to have a resource to help people determine where they can go if they need something. When

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Per discussione Jmapb
On 3/19/2020 7:57 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: There is nothing here about circumventing our well defined import guidelines, or disrespecting our basic tenets. The blog post says "The process of creating an import is too onerous for many users" and "Our hope is that RapiD can become a tool that’s

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Per discussione Jmapb
On 3/17/2020 10:52 AM, Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk wrote: However, among your examples you cite "gnis:feature_id=*" The wiki page for this key notes: "Unlike other imported tags such as gnis:created=* and gnis:import_uuid=*, gnis:feature_id=* is meaningful beyond the import. In fact, some

Re: [Talk-us] When is your doctor a clinic?

2020-01-23 Per discussione Jmapb
On 1/23/2020 8:14 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 1/23/20 17:29, Jmapb wrote: However, truth be told, since the default map has ceased rendering healthcare=*, I've found myself tagging anything smaller than a hospital but larger than a doctor's office as amenity=clinic. For example

Re: [Talk-us] When is your doctor a clinic?

2020-01-23 Per discussione Jmapb
On 1/23/2020 5:30 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: My US doctor's office *is* a clinic, but that's because they were previously an all in one HMO before merger/spinoff. On-site blood lab, x-ray, specialities, pediatrics, coffee shop, PT/OT, optometry, pharmacy, ... . Multiple docs and nurses in each

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on micro parks

2019-10-01 Per discussione Jmapb
On 10/1/2019 10:26 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Case 1: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case1.png Two small coastal areas that look a bit like rock outcroppings. Case 2: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/case2.png The tree-covered green area in the middle of the image I certainly wouldn't tag

[Talk-us] data freshness boogie man (was: request for review of plan for scripted edit)

2019-08-08 Per discussione Jmapb
On 8/8/2019 5:52 PM, Bryce Jasmer wrote: I’m really opposed to this idea of scaring people away from editing objects with the “data freshness” boogie man argument. If someone really cares about freshness, the entire history of an object is available to you. That's true for any single object.

Re: [Talk-us] Request for review of plan for scripted edit

2019-08-08 Per discussione Jmapb
On 8/8/2019 1:28 PM, Alex Hennings wrote: Community, I'm planning a scripted change and would like feedback. Plans are outlined here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/blackboxlogic I'd appreciate feedback or questions in the 'Discussion' portion of that wiki page, or within

Re: [OSM-talk] Microsoft Buildings vs. OpenStreetMap visualization

2019-08-02 Per discussione Jmapb
On 8/2/2019 7:24 AM, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: Here's a demo by azavea showing how 125 Million AI-mapped buildings relate to 33 Million buildings currently in OpenStreetMap in the same region. https://demos.azavea.com/building-footprint-comparison/#4.4/38.67/-93.93 Thanks, this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-04 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/4/2019 12:40 AM, Warin wrote: On the order of things. Best to tell them what to do first. This provides some motivation. Leave 'what not to do' for last, these tend to turn people away. So I would do: 1    One feature, one OSM element 2    Good changeset comments (+Keep the history) 3 

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

2019-06-14 Per discussione Jmapb
On 6/14/2019 9:50 AM, Dave F via talk wrote: On 14/06/2019 14:10, Jmapb wrote:  If there's a problem with a well-thought-out mechanical edit, it's highly likely to be localized, For mechanical/bot/automated edits, errors are more likely to be duplicated across all amendments. If 'local

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

2019-06-14 Per discussione Jmapb
On 6/14/2019 5:02 AM, Dave F via talk wrote: That the main website is antiquated & unable to display details of edits is not a reason to improve the database efficiently. Performing edits in one go makes them easier to keep track of & revert, if there's a problem. DaveF IMO, smaller and more

Re: [Talk-us] Temporary closures and OSMAnd offline map downloads

2019-05-30 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/30/2019 4:22 PM, Abhijit Kshirsagar wrote: Hello all, I'm an old OSM user and have recently moved to the US. What is the correct procedure to submit temporary (at least a few weeks long) road closures on OSM? Also, how long to changes typically take to make it to the downloadable maps that

Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport validator+generator from Maps.Me

2019-05-29 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/29/2019 11:35 AM, Alexey Zakharenkov via Talk-transit wrote: Hello everybody! I'm a part of team who worries about public transport status in OSM database, especially rapid transit transport. I want to represent a public transport validator+generator that somebody might find a useful

Re: [OSM-talk] mass iD validation arrives in NYC

2019-05-28 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/28/2019 12:25 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 28 May 2019, 17:13 by jm...@gmx.com: Any other suggestions? Suggest user to split edits into smaller chunks. Yes that would be far preferable, and I did message this user. That doesn't address the immediate question of how to attempt QA on

[OSM-talk] mass iD validation arrives in NYC

2019-05-28 Per discussione Jmapb
See yesterday's changesets: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70676813 ( https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=70676813 ) https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70676888 ( https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=70676888 ) I believe this is just a casual user browsing around in

Re: [OSM-talk] iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared

2019-05-09 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/9/2019 6:21 PM, Michael Reichert wrote: JOSM runs its validation rules only on objects modified or created in the current session. This seems more sensible both for experienced users and newbies for two reasons: - Uses don't get overwhelmed with dozens or hundreds of reports on objects

Re: [OSM-talk] iD invents nosquare=yes for buildings which should not be squared

2019-05-09 Per discussione Jmapb
On 5/9/2019 4:14 PM, Michael Reichert wrote Quincy Morgan, one of the maintainers of iD, invented a new tag called nosquare=yes today which should be added to buildings which are not square and should not be flagged by iD's validator. This strikes me as a pretty bad idea. I map in NYC where

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-27 Per discussione Jmapb
On 4/26/2019 9:49 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: Other than that I can't think of any tags that would be applicable to these sorts of situations. We tend to tag the regulations themselves, not the extent to which they're adhered to. Certainly just calling it a park because kids play there

Re: [Talk-us] Parks in the USA, leisure=park, park:type

2019-04-26 Per discussione Jmapb
On 4/25/2019 8:39 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: A hazy sort-of-emerging along with this is wider recognition that a proto_park thingy exists. Put it in the planning departments "bin" for "department of parks budget, depending how much we convert protected_area into human-leisure-activity

Re: [Talk-us] What is sold in Value Village? (shop=second_hand vs shop=clothes)

2019-04-26 Per discussione Jmapb
It's like a second-hand department store. I think shop=second_hand is correct tagging in this case, barring any surveyed details about the inventory of the particular branch. J On 4/26/2019 9:55 AM, Evan Derickson wrote: They sell a mix of everything...certainly a lot of clothes, but also

Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

2019-04-20 Per discussione Jmapb
On 4/20/2019 9:18 AM, Aaron Forsythe wrote: > cycleway ; bike path ; paved path, open to bikes, & I've never seen one that > wasn't open to pedestrian too These do exist.  There are a few around here (Missouri, USA). In these cases, there’s usually a separate path for pedestrians so cyclists

Re: [OSM-talk] HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

2019-02-26 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/26/2019 10:58 AM, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi Bryce, Do you have any safeguards against POIs which do not exist any more and whose domains are owned by domain sellers now? They often have a very basic website with a message like "This domain is for sale." and some advertisement. I would not

Re: [OSM-talk] HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

2019-02-22 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/22/2019 3:48 PM, Mike N wrote: On 2/22/2019 3:36 PM, Jmapb wrote: IMO the value of an automated edit when there's already a redirect in place is minimal enough that I don't think it justifies bumping the version and modification date. Just my opinion.   The value of the automated edit

Re: [OSM-talk] HTTPS all the Things (Automated Edit)

2019-02-22 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/22/2019 2:02 AM, Bryce Jasmer wrote: I have written a script that will search for OSM objects that have a website tag that explicitly states "http://...; or implicitly uses http by leaving of the protocol specification. The script will then loop through all that it discovers and asks the

Re: [OSM-talk] WhoDidIt Feeds

2019-02-13 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/12/2019 6:52 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: Feeds have now resumed. Looks like they're slowly catching up... up to Feb 1st now. J ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing road network in New York — MapRoulette challenge

2019-02-11 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/9/2019 9:30 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Yesterday I took ~1 mln rides we made in December and matched them to the OSM road network. With that I found a few hundred points where an actual trace diverged from the matched one quite often. This usually means a oneway tag is wrong, or a turn

Re: [OSM-talk] WhoDidIt Feeds

2019-02-10 Per discussione Jmapb
On 2/9/2019 7:39 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: None of my WhoDidIt RSS feeds seem to have updated since 18/01/2019. The main one is http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=0.184967,51.325448,0.618584,51.453992 Has this service been discontinued or is there a known

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-11 Per discussione Jmapb
On 12/11/2018 9:41 AM, Rory McCann wrote: On 11/12/2018 12:38, Tomas Straupis wrote:    If someone puts a label "Military academy" on their house, would we map it as an actual military academy? No, but you would put "addr:housename=Military academy". Sidebar, according to my reading of the

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone feel like helping another mapper in New York?

2018-12-09 Per discussione Jmapb
On 12/9/2018 6:38 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 23/11/2018 21:24, Andy Townsend wrote (heavily snipped): Hello, Over the last couple of months there have been edits by a new mapper in New York who seems to like changing things but hasn't quite got the hang of what they're doing yet.  ...  

Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

2018-09-25 Per discussione Jmapb
On 9/25/2018 10:37 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: But there's also an opportunity to have the community have another look at the area surrounding the nodes. It's only ~4600 items: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Cg0 . By far the majority of post_boxes in the USA have no operator tag: 6871 by my

Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

2018-09-07 Per discussione Jmapb
On 9/6/2018 6:44 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote: First, for keeping the tagging style as consistent as possible, each post box will be given the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687".  This way, even if the operator=* tags are changed later on, all post boxes will still be consistent and easy to

Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

2018-08-28 Per discussione Jmapb
On 8/28/2018 3:31 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote: Hi everyone, A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the United States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the USPS system.  Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40% "operator"="United States Postal Service", and

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

2018-08-10 Per discussione Jmapb
On 8/10/2018 1:33 PM, Barry Hunter wrote: But in the case of a long driveway wouldnt the address be attached to the entryway (so that directions etc, can route to the right location)? This isn't very common, and there's no documentation of this practice on the addr or service=driveway wiki

Re: [Talk-us] Senseless racism

2018-07-25 Per discussione Jmapb
On 7/25/2018 12:57 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: I am somewhat amazed by the fact that hardly anyone from the US community (where a lot of mappers routinely map abroad and should be able to empathize with Frederik being concerned about an area where he has no first hand knowledge of) seems to

Re: [Talk-us] US building footprint data

2018-06-28 Per discussione Jmapb
Thanks Jubal, this looks like fantastic no-nonsense work. Seems like it might be wise to wait until after the Milan conference to see if a recommended workflow will emerge to begin putting these footprints to use. Any plans to publish data for other countries? How about quarterly diffs? jmb

[OSM-talk] Sidewalk symmetry

2018-04-17 Per discussione Jmapb
The wiki contains some suggestions/guidelines about when to map sidewalks as separate footways versus when to encode them as tags on the main road. The basic recommendation seems to be that if there's a barrier or even a strip of grass between the two, a separate way is fine and even sometimes