Re: [talk-cz] Fwd: OSM uvitaci skript

[Jozef Riha]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:25 PM Miroslav Suchy  wrote:

> Dne 10. 12. 20 v 16:50 Jozef Riha napsal(a):
> > wtfpl ked uz to musi byt..
>
> Předpokládám verze 2 :)
>


kludne. ja som ani nevedel, ze je viac verzii :-)


>
> Udělal jsem
>   https://github.com <https://github.com/osmcz/greeter-osm>


Píše mi to:
DEBUG:root:sending message to user tkk
DEBUG:root:Sending {'authenticity_token':
'X6Fa2Hfy/NQ0Li3RI4pOn7PiNiJPYQ+mQs+5CJDYGMQdQK+UKTRn/pDIKcBMa0v7p9DfLY3m1q3mrLWNeqcojA==',
'message[title]':
'Privitanie', 'display_name': 'tkk', 'message[body]': 'Ahoj
tkk,\n\ndakujeme Ti za Tvoj prvy prispevok do mapy
OpenStreetMap. Dovolujeme si Ta srdecne privitat medzi komunitou nadsencov,
ktori podobnymi upravami zlepsuju ci
doplnuju mapu uz niekolko rokov. Ak je toto skor jednorazova zalezitost,
nevadi, mozno vo svojom okoli poznas niekoho,
kto trebars rad chodi do lesa, bicykluje alebo ma vasen pre mapy a tak
budeme radi, ak sa so svojou skusenostou podelis.
Sposobov, akym mozno prispiet je mnoho - okrem samotneho editovania to moze
byt aj napriklad nahravanie gps logov,
nahlasovanie chyb alebo samotna propagacia projektu.\n\nAk mas chut sa
cokolvek spytat alebo len sa podelit so svojimi
skusenostami ci napadom na vylepsenie, radi Ta uvidime na
osm...@googlegroups.com
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/osm_sk). Mozno budes mat zaujem sa
stretnut na nami organizovanej akcii alebo
vybehnut s lokalnymi pouzivatelmi na malu mapovacku - je to len na
Tebe.\n\nA nezabudni na zlate pravidlo OpenStreetMap:
bez (vyslovneho) povolenia z cudzich map (Google Mapy, hiking a pod) nic
nekopirujeme! :-)\n\nVela stastia,  \nteam
freemap.sk  \nwiki.freemap.sk  ', 'commit': 'Odeslat'}
DEBUG:urllib3.connectionpool:Starting new HTTPS connection (1):
www.openstreetmap.org:443
DEBUG:urllib3.connectionpool:https://www.openstreetmap.org:443 "POST
/messages HTTP/1.1" 422 0
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/msuchy/projects/greeter-osm/./greeter_osm.py", line 174, in

osm_send(token, 'Privitanie', message, rcpt_quoted, req_cookies)
  File "/home/msuchy/projects/greeter-osm/./greeter_osm.py", line 87, in
osm_send
req_send.raise_for_status()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/requests/models.py", line 941, in
raise_for_status
raise HTTPError(http_error_msg, response=self)
requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 422 Client Error: Unprocessable Entity for
url: https://www.openstreetmap.org/messages

Což vůbec netuším co s tím. Kdyby to mohl zkusit někdo kdo nemá v username
diakritiku tak by to bylo fajn.

Mirek

> /osmcz/greeter-osm <https://github.com/osmcz/greeter-osm>
>
> Trošku jsem pročistil kód. Umožnil jsem nezadávat username a heslo v
> configu - program se na to zeptá. Země se teď může
> specifikovat v configu.
>
> Musel jsem quotovat uživatel a zemi.
>

+1


>
> Pokud by chtěl nekdo upravit texty pro ČR, tak zde:
>   https://github.com/osmcz/greeter-osm/blob/main/.greeterrc
> resp. asi bych časem udělal různé configy pro různé země.
> Časem upravím README.
>
> Ale zatím válčím s tím, že mi to vůbec neodešle tu zprávu. Ani ta původní
> verze, ani ta nová.
>

nejak mi nic nenapada. mozno skusit vykuchat len tu cast s posielanim a
poslat si zopar sprav sam sebe s vynutenim kodovania, pouzitim
percent-encoding a tak podobne? pozrel som tiez, ci nas skript funguje a
vyzera, ze jo. naposledy poslal spravu vcera.

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Re: [talk-cz] Fwd: OSM uvitaci skript

[Jozef Riha]

wtfpl ked uz to musi byt..

Dňa št 10. 12. 2020, 16:14 Martin Ždila 
napísal(a):

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM Miroslav Suchy  wrote:
>
>> Dne 08. 12. 20 v 23:19 Martin Ždila napsal(a):
>> > Ahojte,
>> >
>> > Na SotM sme sa bavili o "greeting" sktipte, tak preposielam čo
>> používame.
>>
>> Super. Ještě chybí licence? Pod jakou licencí to můžeme používat?
>>
>
> Jose?
>
>
>> Pokud mi někdo dáte práva k
>>   https://github.com/osmcz
>> tak bych tam založil projekt a upravil to tam pro potřeby CZE. Můj GH
>> login je xsuchy.
>>
>> Mirek
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Re: [talk-cz] [osm_sk] Re: Historie OSM v CZ

[Jozef Riha]

+1. a mat moznost pozriet aj slovensko by som uvital :-) j

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:59 PM Marek Janata  wrote:

> luxus
>
> po 9. 12. 2019 v 8:39 odesílatel Tom Ka  napsal:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> na adrese https://kasparkovi.net/osm/ najdete dalsi varku starych
>> verzi OSM mapy, aktualne az do 2007.05 a jeste jich par pribude!
>>
>> (Dotaz na Slovensko, mel by nekdo zajem o to same pro SK - at jiz
>> extra nebo rozsireni stavajici mapy?)
>>
>> (A dotaz na Zbyho pripadne na ostatni - dobrovolnik na vylepseni
>> rozhrani pro prohlizeni starych vrstev?)
>>
>> Bye tom.k
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> Túto správu ste dostali, pretože v Skupinách Google ste odberateľom
> skupiny "Openstreetmap Slovakia".
> V prípade, že chcete zrušiť odber tejto skupiny a prestať od nej prijímať
> e-maily, zašlite e-mail na adresu osm_sk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Ak chcete zobraziť túto diskusiu na webe, prejdite na adresu
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/osm_sk/CAAd_ZY%3DB%2BG8RktPHWj7cCEse%2B7VyJ9EbpVvsodLbporYqiM-gg%40mail.gmail.com
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Re: [Talk-cz] mapa s popisky

[Jozef Riha]

umap?
Dňa 23.7.2015 14:27 používateľ Karel Volný ka...@seznam.cz napísal:

 zdar,

   chtěl bych si udělat mapku výletu, poradí někdo prosím nějaký
 jednoduchý
   udělátor, kde by si šlo různě označit cesty a body, resp. přidat
 vlastní,
   a napsat k tomu legendu?
  
   obtahovat čáry na obrázku v GIMPu apod. se mi tak úplně nechce :-)
 
  Tak, zcela jistě by takovou věc šlo naprogramovat v Leafletu

 viz odpověď na jiném místě threadu

  nebo OpenLayers...

 hmm, KML example se mi líbí, že bych si požadované cesty připravil a
 vyexportoval třeba v Merkaartoru a jenom mu podhodil svůj datový soubor

 jen tam teda nevidím, jak si napsat tu legendu, ale to bych kdyžtak
 připlácl
 staticky

 jenže když jsem zkoušel Export map example, tak mi to žádnou mapu ke
 stažení
 nevygenerovalo

 tak asi zase nic, do debugování tohoto se mi vůbec nechce :-/

 K.


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Re: [Talk-cz] Satelitní snímky bingu zmizely?

[Jozef Riha]

inak sa to spominalo aj v osm weekly 247:
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/3353

2015-05-01 21:25 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:

  Tak to jsi mně moc nepotěšil :-(
 Že by měli některé podklady pouze s časově omezenou licencí?

 Možná by jim někdo mohl vysvětlit, že Ostrava je třetí největší město v ČR
 a detailnější snímky Ostravy a jejího okolí by tedy nebyly na škodu ;-)

 Marián

 Dne 1.5.2015 v 19:54 Martin Ždila napsal(a):

 Aj na Slovensku mame skusenost s tym, ze kvalita snimkov od Bingu postupne
 degraduje. Skus pouzit snimky od MapBox-u.

 2015-05-01 18:56 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:

 Ahoj,
 právě dělám nějaké úpravy ve FM a v JOSM jsem si zapnul satelitní snímky
 Bingu. A najednou koukám na rozplizlé fleky :-(
 Nevíte někdo, proč se ztratily detailní snímky, podle kterých jsem
 mapoval?

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[Talk-cz] czech republic address system

[Jozef Riha]

zdravim cesku osm komunitu,

nedavno sme mali na osm_sk debatu (
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osm_sk/bMc_gE4zge8) o formate
streetnumber pre adresy na slovensku. za velky uspech povazujem to, ze sme
sa dokazali zhodnut na tom, ze lomitko (lomka) do addr:streetnumber (kedze
pouzivame viac-menej czech addr. system) nepatri. toto rozhodnutie bolo
podporene vyhlaskou 31/2003 sr, kde sa mimo ine pise: v ciselnom rade
orientacnych cisiel sa nove orientacne cislo utvori tak, ze sa k
najblizsiemu nizsiemu zo susediacich orientacnych cisiel prida *velke*
pismeno abecedy. vasa vyhlaska (326/2000) velkost pismen nestanovuje:
jako dodatek cisel orientacnich muze byt pouzit jeden znak ceske abecedy
bez diakritickych znamenek.

aktualne vacsina orientacnych cisiel v cechach (21000 vs 1700) pouziva male
pismeno, tak ako to popisuje reg. vyraz na wiki (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic/Address_system
).

aby sme mohli udrzat 100% kompatibitu dat s nasou vyhlaskou bolo by fajn,
keby bol reg. vyraz rozsireny na [0-9]+[a-zA-Z]{0,1} a pridana poznamka o
tom, ze v cr je zvyklostou pouzivat male pismena, na slovensku pismena
velke. tymto sposobom sa nebude musiet system cislovania stepit a data sa
budu musiet menit len minimalne.

prosim vas o vyjadrenie k tejto teme.

dakujem.

jose
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Re: [Talk-cz] czech republic address system

[Jozef Riha]

dakujem za reakcie. vadilo by vam, keby czech address system definoval
orientacne cislo ako pripadnu kombinaciu cisla a pismena (bez blizsej
definicie)? vytvorit druhy system (slovak address system?) len kvoli
drobnej zmene sa mi nezda ako optimalne riesenie.

2015-04-12 20:28 GMT+02:00 Petr Souček souc...@atlas.cz:

 Dobrý den,



 jen doplním, že v současnosti je projednávána novela vyhlášky 326/2000,
 která v ČR určí, že písmeno v orientačním čísle bude muset být vždy *malé*.
 Zároveň návrh obsahuje přechodné ustanovení, že všechna velká písmena
 správce registru (ČÚZK) automaticky změní na malá.



 Petr Souček



 *From:* Jozef Riha [mailto:jose1...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:57 AM
 *To:* talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject:* [Talk-cz] czech republic address system



 zdravim cesku osm komunitu,

 nedavno sme mali na osm_sk debatu (
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osm_sk/bMc_gE4zge8) o formate
 streetnumber pre adresy na slovensku. za velky uspech povazujem to, ze sme
 sa dokazali zhodnut na tom, ze lomitko (lomka) do addr:streetnumber (kedze
 pouzivame viac-menej czech addr. system) nepatri. toto rozhodnutie bolo
 podporene vyhlaskou 31/2003 sr, kde sa mimo ine pise: v ciselnom rade
 orientacnych cisiel sa nove orientacne cislo utvori tak, ze sa k
 najblizsiemu nizsiemu zo susediacich orientacnych cisiel prida *velke*
 pismeno abecedy. vasa vyhlaska (326/2000) velkost pismen nestanovuje:
 jako dodatek cisel orientacnich muze byt pouzit jeden znak ceske abecedy
 bez diakritickych znamenek.

 aktualne vacsina orientacnych cisiel v cechach (21000 vs 1700) pouziva
 male pismeno, tak ako to popisuje reg. vyraz na wiki (
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProject_Czech_Republic/Address_system
 ).

 aby sme mohli udrzat 100% kompatibitu dat s nasou vyhlaskou bolo by fajn,
 keby bol reg. vyraz rozsireny na [0-9]+[a-zA-Z]{0,1} a pridana poznamka o
 tom, ze v cr je zvyklostou pouzivat male pismena, na slovensku pismena
 velke. tymto sposobom sa nebude musiet system cislovania stepit a data sa
 budu musiet menit len minimalne.

 prosim vas o vyjadrenie k tejto teme.

 dakujem.

 jose

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Re: [Talk-at] kittsee - semiautomated import of buildings from basemap.at

[Jozef Riha]

hello all,

i've been playing a bit with potrace - a bitmap to vector tool trying to
automate building shapes extraction from basemap.at (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AT/basemap). as this could be considered
mass import, i would like to have austrian mapper community
checked/approved this first. i am planning to do a few fixes here and there
but generally i consider https://db.tt/eUm1BLmg to be ready for upload to
osm. please let me know if it meets your quality criteria for imports or
just share your thoughts/ideas.

vielen dank,


jose (greetings from slovakia)
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Re: [Talk-at] kittsee - semiautomated import of buildings from basemap.at

[Jozef Riha]

Thank you all for sharing your views. I chose not to go further with the
import - instead I will describe the procedure I used  - maybe someone
could come up with improvements that would make the result look
better/actually usable.

- create a basemap.at xml config for mobac (http://mobac.sourceforge.net/),
select and export to png file (zoom: 19)
- open png file in gimp, select - by color, click on one building,
copypaste to new file, threshold, index - 2 colours (potrace requires
bi-color image), save buildings into pnm file
- potrace -t 100 -k 0.3 -o kittsee.svg -s kittsee.pnm
- import to josm (importvec plugin, 10 000 units = 1995 m)
- select all ways (^f - type:way - simplify using simplifyarea plugin,
using too aggressive values could result in triangular buildings, OTOH too
forgiving ones could leave you with too many nodes and/or speckles caused
by nearby housenumbers or jpeg artefacts
- turn on basemap.at tms background and align, tidy up, add tags

All the best,

jose

On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hi,

 before this is imported it would at least need proper
 documentation on the Wiki import catalogue.

 In addition to the points mentioned by Michael -

  * adjacent buildings do not share nodes * no multipolygons at
  buildings with holes - those would have to be created manually *
  The buildings are not orthogonalized (q in JOSM) * nodes at very
  obtuse angles (e.g. 88°) should be removed.

 I would like to add

 * source tag on every building (source tag on changeset would be enough)
 * existing buildings are not reflected - they would have to be removed
 from the import data.
 * very small buildings seem to be badly traced (triangular shapes etc)
 - - perhaps just drop everything below 10 square metres or so.

 There seem to be a number of mismatches between the data and Bing
 imagery - but I guess that's because basemap.at is newer? Examples:
 http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/kittsee.png

 Bye
 Frederik

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[OSM-talk] rendering of shops w/ addr:* at osm.org (mapnik)

[Jozef Riha]

hello list,

my understanding of addr:* tags in conjunction w/ e. g. shop=* is that
it is an address information extension (feature) of the shop (see the
existence of addr:floor for instance that kinda supports this). it
does not substitute presence of additional addr:* either placed
separately or being put onto a building. however mapnik style at
osm.org thinks that addr:* always takes precedence, look at
http://osm.org/go/0LGZ6EtrF-- and duplicate address points.

what do you think? is it possible to get the style fixed?

thanks and sorry for my english,

jose

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Re: [OSM-talk] joining ways to create a polygon

[Jozef Riha]

Hello Ed,

thank you very much - it's working like a charm. Anyway in the
meantime I found an alternative: OSM relation analyzer at
http://ra.osmsurround.org. The service is able to output gpx file
containing ways belonging to a relation, this can be later converted
to polygon using gpx2poly.pl script. Anyway, I like your simple
one-step solution because it's faster and does not require internet
connection.

Cheers,

jose

On 7/2/11, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote:
 Hi Jose,

 I missed you on #osm, but I think I've done similar [1]. Using a
 perl script I was pointed at [2] (by dezhin on #osm when I asked a
 similar question) I took the Tendring district boundary relation and
 converted it into an Osmosis compliant polygon file. You pass the
 script a relation id and it outputs a polygon file.

 Ed

 [1]
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tendring(Essex_District)#Data_Ext
 racts
 [2] http://code.google.com/p/osm2mp/source/browse/trunk/getbound.pl


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 From: Jozef Riha [mailto:jose1...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 01 July 2011 20:57
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk] joining ways to create a polygon

 hello all,

 i spent a few hours already figuring out how can i merge multiple
 adjacent ways (such as members of
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1551258) into
 one way so
 i could convert it into polygon file recognized by osmosis. thing
 can
 be done easily in josm but i'm looking into scriptable solution.
 does
 anybody know how, for instance, cloudmade is doing it?

 cheers,

 jose

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Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?

[Jozef Riha]

I'm using mainly gpsmid on my e51 - does offline (vector) maps, can do
basic edits online, navigation, collects cellids, maps are
customizable using styles - what else should i want? on the other
hand.. you can't really go country-level without sacrificing some map
features.

jose

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Asztalos Attila
attila.aszta...@gmail.com wrote:
 I still haven't found a proper free, offline, country-level OSM app for my
 S60 3rd phone.
 What I do use is We-Travel (www.we-travel.biz) - which does all that
 (including routing and voice navigation), however it certainly does have its
 own quirks therefore I can't quite call it proper.

  - Max


 2011/1/3 Jeremy Stocks jeremyll33 at yahoo.com

 Hi there,

 +

 I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent
 app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered
 what others use?

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[OSM-talk] remote edit link not working in opera

[Jozef Riha]

hello, edit - edit with remote control on osm.org does nothing in
opera 11.0 (linux). works correctly in both chromium and firefox. can
any of devs please take a look?

cheers,

jose

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[OSM-talk] dirty revert howto

[Jozef Riha]

hello list,

can anyone please tell me how to do a dirty revert? unfortunately by
the date i received a reply from dwg another user changed the affected
nodes (originally an import from google api).

thank you,

joe

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[Talk-transit] cloudmade routing fail?

[Jozef Riha]

hello everyone,

can anyone please tell me why cloudmade does not want to navigate
on/via 
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=48.894913lng=17.708158zoom=15directions=48.89702927061499,17.7099609375,48.89101950595075,17.71249294281006travel=footstyleId=1opened_tab=1
?

i see nothing wrong with tags/ways.

thank you,

joe

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Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout

[Jozef Riha]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap.
 Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap?

 Things for consideration are:
 - onboard GPS precision
 - applications for GPS logging
 - applications for POI collection
 - battery life when mapping (how long can you map)

 Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you
 had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while,
 and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK
 to get a feel for it.


 Here are some of my thoughts...

 Android positive points:
 - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day
 - nice POI collection app [1]
 - runs multiple apps at once
 - quite open platform

 Android negative points:
 - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general
 - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts)
 - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone


 iPhone positive points:
 - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2]
 - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3]
 - multitouch interface
 - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts)
 - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract

 iPhone negative points:
 - runs only one app at once :(
 - pretty closed platform :(
 - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :(


 [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php
 [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your-
 iphone-application/
 [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector

Hi Valent,

as for myself I'm using Nokia E51 with gpsmid as my primary mapping
software. Used to utilize TrekBuddy but now that I discovered beauty
of vector maps and audio tagging I am using TB only when gpsmid has
some real issues which leads us to its downsides. Dunno whether it's
j2me implementation, hardware problem or problem with gpsmid but
sometimes I have some hard time with it: bluetooth connection drops
randomly (I'm using external bluetooth module), crash or freeze and I
also ended up with a corrupted midlet once. But still.. I was unable
to find anything better. Anyway your mileage may vary with a different
phone (Sony Ericsson?).

Hope it helps,

joe

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[Talk-transit] bus route/relations done right

[Jozef Riha]

hello all,

i posted the latter text into t...@osm today but then someone
suggested i should better ask here. so, the post goes like this:

thank you for your understanding,

joe

-- begin --
hello all,

i'd like to review/finish mapping of bus/tram network during my stay
in bern (ch) and do this right so that no time is wasted fixing my
mistakes. i read through wiki pages but there're still some points
open. for my examples to be more explanatory please open the following
osm file which i'll be referring to. the download url is
http://nic-nac-project.org/~jose1711/donotdelete/bus_route.osm

i consider bus 1 route to be the correct way of entering a simple
route. backward/forward rules are based on the way's orientation, not
Terminus A - Terminus B or vice versa orientation just as the wiki
says. what to do though when it's not really clear what way does the
bus stop belong to like in bus route 2? how do i know if it's forward
or backward role i should use when i don't know to which way the bus
stop is connected. consider that i may not be able to change
orientation (situation: oneway for cars, buses can drive both
directions). also, does the ways (segments) in relation need to be
ordered or this is mandatory for bus stops only?

next thing. i have seen many osm users create bus routes such as route
4, while i think the correct way is route 3. am i correct?

thank you for your comments,

jozef

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[OSM-talk] bus route/relations done right

[Jozef Riha]

hello all,

i'd like to review/finish mapping of bus/tram network during my stay
in bern (ch) and do this right so that no time is wasted fixing my
mistakes. i read through wiki pages but there're still some points
open. for my examples to be more explanatory please open the following
osm file which i'll be referring to. the download url is
http://nic-nac-project.org/~jose1711/donotdelete/bus_route.osm

i consider bus 1 route to be the correct way of entering a simple
route. backward/forward rules are based on the way's orientation, not
Terminus A - Terminus B or vice versa orientation just as the wiki
says. what to do though when it's not really clear what way does the
bus stop belong to like in bus route 2? how do i know if it's forward
or backward role i should use when i don't know to which way the bus
stop is connected. consider that i may not be able to change
orientation (situation: oneway for cars, buses can drive both
directions). also, does the ways (segments) in relation need to be
ordered or this is mandatory for bus stops only?

next thing. i have seen many osm users create bus routes such as route
4, while i think the correct way is route 3. am i correct?

thank you for your comments,

jozef

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