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Re: [Diversity-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?

2021-10-12 Per discussione Amanda McCann

[to summarize my replies]

I think there's a common misunderstanding, so I will clarify: I think it is 
acceptable for the State of the Map to take place in a venue that is unsafe to 
LGBTQ+ people *if there is no other alternative because that's what the region 
is like*. Under my proposal, you could have a “SotM Republic of Gilead”¹.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:46 +02:00, Simon Poole  wrote:
> what criteria must an event fulfil to be able to use the "State of the Map" 
> brand. Conference 
> organizers that, for whatever reason, cannot meet those criteria could 
> still run an OSM related event with different branding and do without 
> OSMF blessing.

Correct. For example, i don't think HOT should adopt this type of policy.

On Fri, 08 Oct 2021  8:38 +02:00, Tim Couwelier  wrote:
> does that rule out having official local chapters from certain areas?

Absolutely not! We need more local chapters in general. This is just about the 
“State of the Map” name, and nothing about OSMF Local Chapters.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2021  9:42 +02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer  
wrote:
> Amanda, what about countries like Russia, where AFAIK the sexual 
> orientations you list are not illegal, but which aren’t exactly known 
> as safe space for members of these minorities either?

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Geoffrey Kateregga  
wrote:
> The point is, there is no country that favors everyone 100%, there will 
> always be some challenges, LGBT laws

On Thu, 07 Oct 2021  8:04 +02:00, Andrew Hain  
wrote:
> we’d risk confining ourselves to a few “safe” parts of the world at the 
> expense of our wider community.

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:22 +02:00, Jorieke Vyncke  
wrote:
> And a potential SotM Middle East, could that ever happen in any country of 
> the region?

On Fri, 08 Oct 2021  9:41 +02:00, Christopher Beddow 
 wrote:
> Is this proposal saying that local mappers in Iran could not hold a 
> "State of the Map Iran" same as "State of the Map France" does

My proposal allows “State of the Map Iran”. Since all places in the region 
(here “Iran”) have the same laws/societal actions, so no visitor would suffer a 
“legal downgrade”. I do not think it's fair or right to deny the active local 
community the ability to have a SotM (or other OSM event). There are times when 
a “State of the Map” event is unsafe for LGBTQ+ people.

In my proposal, a SotM (REGION) can always take place in a country in that 
region, even if that would require the event to not be safe for LGBTQ people in 
the region. I do not think it is right to put that high a restriction. 

My proposed standard is very very low. There are many cities in “liberal” 
countries where people suffer bigoted violence. No-where is 100% safe, While I 
might have to think about whether to go to a “State of the Map Europe” in 
Russia, I do not think that the OSMF should prohibit that under my rule.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2021  8:47 +02:00, Stephan Knauss  
wrote:
> I have mixed feelings about the level of political involvement OSMF 
> should do. Should we also care about environmental protection?

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00, Marie [OSM Cameroun] wrote:
> if it is true that OSM is apolitical

Someone already proposed an “OSMF will not pay expenses for air fare if there's 
a train option” (which failed). The OSM blog has been used to campaign against 
proposed EU laws. The OSMF has already picked a political side on LGBTQ+ issues 
when it adopted the Diversity Statement.

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:48 +02:00,  wrote:
> if we organize an event in the USA and we all get shot by the police 
> because of our skin color what will we say? [...]  should State of the Map be 
> removed from those countries, because its not easy for people to travel 
> to those locations? 

I'm more familiar with LGBTQ issues. I'm privileged with my current passport. 
If you can share advice on making SotM (& OSM) more open to people affected by 
this, I am open to hearing it.  What do you think we should do?

PS: Paul out of habit used the wrong name, and did DM me to apologise.  It's 
fine, Paul's a good friend. He owes me a beer. But it's obvious when people 
_deliberately_ misgender & deadname others. 

[¹] Gilead is the fictional fundamentalist christian theocratic dystopia in 
Atwood's “The Handmaid's Tale”. In the book, women are legally forbidden from 
learning to read (punishment is amputation of a finger!), needless to say, it's 
not LGBTQ safe…

On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:09 +02:00, Amanda McCann 
 wrote:
> Hello OSM friends,
>
> So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation 
> holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that 
> the event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be 
> wrong for me to continue to complain about other organisations and not 
> try to suggest such a policy for the OSMF.
>
> The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map” 
> trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, 
>

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMF 2020 entre inquiétude et déception

2020-10-24 Per discussione Philippe Verdy

Le risque me semble bien plus élevé pour la Fondation OSM que pour la
Fondation Mozilla, qui n'a pas à supporter les mêmes frais
d'infrastructure, et a un nombre de soutiens bien plus élevés, aussi bien
au plan financier mondialement, que par le fait que les suites Firefox sont
souvent les seules aussi installées sur les serveurs et stations de travail
Linux, notamment les environnement de bureau virtualisés hébergés dans les
clouds des entreprises, qui donc acceptent aussi de maintenir une
contribution leur apportant aussi un support direct ou via un prestataire.
La Fondation OSM en revanche non seulement a des frais d'infra importants,
mais aussi se met à dépenser sans compter, en croyant que le tapis sur
lequel elle est encore confortablement installé pourra se reconstituer
aussi vite qu'il est dépensé. Il a fallu moins d'un an pour anéantir les
efforts des 10 ans.
Et pourtant la Fondation OSM ne finance pas un projet important pour elle:
la consolidation de son infrastructure pour bâtir un vrai CDN, et sinon
consolider la base de données. Elle en fait trop sur les éditeurs, et tente
maintenant d'opacifier ses prises de décisions et même ses justifications.
elle renforce le rôle dominant ed certains personnes dont la neutralité est
de moins en moins évidente.


Le sam. 24 oct. 2020 à 10:37, Jean-Marc Liotier  a écrit :

> Le "Is responsible for allocating $$ to diverse worthwhile software
> projects with grants and microgrants" de
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Mission_Statement me gène également
> beaucoup. Je vois la Fondation comme arbitre de conflits et garant
> ultime de la license - or on sent le glissement vers ce qui pourrait
> finir par ressembler à la Mozilla Foundation - une course en avant dans
> toutes les directions en même temps plutôt que la dalle stable sur
> laquelle repose tout le reste.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMF 2020 entre inquiétude et déception

2020-10-24 Per discussione Jean-Marc Liotier

Le "Is responsible for allocating $$ to diverse worthwhile software 
projects with grants and microgrants" de 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Mission_Statement me gène également 
beaucoup. Je vois la Fondation comme arbitre de conflits et garant 
ultime de la license - or on sent le glissement vers ce qui pourrait 
finir par ressembler à la Mozilla Foundation - une course en avant dans 
toutes les directions en même temps plutôt que la dalle stable sur 
laquelle repose tout le reste.




On 10/22/20 10:03 PM, severin.menard via Talk-fr wrote:

Bonjour,

Pour info, pour celles et ceux qui ne seraient pas membres de l'OSMF, 
j'ai publié cet article sur sa liste de discussion : 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-October/007294.html
et également sur mon journal OSM : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeverinGeo/diary


Les retours (positifs ou négatifs) sont toujours bienvenus.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSMF 2020 entre inquiétude et déception

2020-10-22 Per discussione Philippe Verdy

En gros tu te poses des questions sur la viabilité de la fondation et sa
façon nouvelle de dépenser sans compter à une vitesse record, pour des
projets qui ne sont pas dans sa mission première (qui est de protéger les
actifs communautaires et maintenir le fonctionnement des serveurs et régler
les questions de politique communautaire ou légales, et non de payer des
développeurs externes qui peuvent déjà disposer de budgets ou faire appel à
des ressources locales et communautaires dans un projet ouvert).
C'est une analyse intéressante, car effectivement cela met à mal
l'indépendance ou la survie de la fondation qui se place en situation de
dépendance vis-à-vis de ces tiers et s'engage dans des frais de maintenance
élevés (où les ressources actuelles ne permettraient pas de suivre le
rythme, ou condamnerait rapidement le projet à réduire sa "voilure" ou
alors concéder des droits importants à des fournisseurs tiers de faire ce
qu'ils veulent; et c'est vrai que la menace est réelle d'une prise de
contrôle par des intervenants plus riches (comme Mapbox, et indirectement
ensuite par de gros acteurs qui voudraient contrôler Mapbox et changer
ensuite la politique de licence). Il naît alors un déséquilibre croissant
entre la communauté (et les chapitres membres qui sont sensés pouvoir aider
en tant qu'intermédiaires locaux plus accessibles) et ces gros acteurs
décidés de façon opaque dans des réunions "privées" où ce qui se décide
n'est plus en accord avec les missions affichées et la volonté des
précurseurs qui ont décidé de "jeter l'éponge".
C'est là une question où la Fondation devrait accorder un plus grand rôle
aux chapitres locaux (avec un droit de regard complet et permanent sur
l'état des finances et des dépenses) et ne pas s'engager dans la pente
dangereuse des décisions opaques, notamment en matière d'engagements
financiers auprès de fournisseurs tiers.

Le jeu. 22 oct. 2020 à 22:04, severin.menard via Talk-fr <
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org> a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Pour info, pour celles et ceux qui ne seraient pas membres de l'OSMF, j'ai
> publié cet article sur sa liste de discussion :
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-October/007294.html
> et également sur mon journal OSM :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeverinGeo/diary
>
> Les retours (positifs ou négatifs) sont toujours bienvenus.
>
> Séverin
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[OSM-talk-fr] OSMF 2020 entre inquiétude et déception

2020-10-22 Per discussione severin.menard via Talk-fr

Bonjour,

Pour info, pour celles et ceux qui ne seraient pas membres de l'OSMF, j'ai 
publié cet article sur sa liste de discussion : 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-October/007294.html
et également sur mon journal OSM : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeverinGeo/diary

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Re: [OSM-talk] Annual OSMF General Meeting on Saturday, 12 December 2020, 16:00 UTC

2020-09-11 Per discussione Rory McCann (OSMF Board)


Hi all,

Remember, if you have not been an OSMF members for 90 days before the 
election, you are not entitled to vote for the OSMF Board. And that 
deadline is in a day or so.


So, if I've done by maths right, if you're a member on 
2020-09-12T23:59:59Z you can definitely vote, after that, you can't. 
That's about 31 hours from this email.


Countdown timer: 
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20200912T235959=OSMF%20Membership




On 11.09.20 15:43, Dorothea Kazazi wrote:

Hi all,

The 14th Annual General Meeting of the OpenStreetMap Foundation will be
held online on Saturday, 12 December 2020 at 16:00 UTC.

This meeting will have a board election, with three seats available.
There are seven seats on the foundation board.

Information about email voting and the schedule for those who want to 
run for
the board will be sent in due course. Voting will open one week before 
the AGM.


Reference pages
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meetings/2020
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board

warm greetings,
Dorothea

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[OSM-talk] Annual OSMF General Meeting on Saturday, 12 December 2020, 16:00 UTC

2020-09-11 Per discussione Dorothea Kazazi

Hi all,

The 14th Annual General Meeting of the OpenStreetMap Foundation will be
held online on Saturday, 12 December 2020 at 16:00 UTC.

This meeting will have a board election, with three seats available.
There are seven seats on the foundation board.

Information about email voting and the schedule for those who want to run
for
the board will be sent in due course. Voting will open one week before the
AGM.

Reference pages
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meetings/2020
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board

warm greetings,
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Re: [Talk-it] Osmf

2020-08-29 Per discussione Damjan Gerl


  
  
Martin Koppenhoefer je 29.8.2020 ob
  13:28 napisal:


  
  
  
  sent from a phone
  
On 29. Aug 2020, at 10:02, Lorenzo Pesci
   wrote:
  

  
  
Iscritto anche io,
poi mi spiegate meglio come potrò essere utile, grazie.
  Ciao Lorenzo
  Pesci 

  
  
  
  
  più tardi nell’anno ci saranno elezioni per il board
(consiglio d’amministrazione), e spero che vinceranno persone
della comunità dei mappatori piuttosto che rappresentanti delle
grandi aziende.
  
  
  Ciao Martin 
  


Ci sono anche io :-)

Saluti
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Re: [Talk-it] Osmf

2020-08-29 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

sent from a phone

> On 29. Aug 2020, at 10:02, Lorenzo Pesci  wrote:
> 
> Iscritto anche io, poi mi spiegate meglio come potrò essere utile, grazie.
> Ciao Lorenzo Pesci 

più tardi nell’anno ci saranno elezioni per il board (consiglio 
d’amministrazione), e spero che vinceranno persone della comunità dei mappatori 
piuttosto che rappresentanti delle grandi aziende.

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[Talk-it] Osmf

2020-08-29 Per discussione Lorenzo Pesci

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[Talk-pt] OSMF Inscrição para membro, gratuita

2020-08-27 Per discussione Topo Lusitania Lusitania via Talk-pt

Olá
A OSM abriu a inscrição para membros, de uma forma gratuita. A unica condição é 
ter mapeado 42 dias nos ultimos 365 dias.
Se queres ter mais controle sobre o teu trabalho voluntário, inscreve-te
Mais info em: 

Active Contributor Membership | OSMF Membership

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

2020-05-09 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

Following discussion with the OSM UK board, I have today submitted three
proposals for the OSMF microgrant scheme. Please accept our apologies that
this is all a bit last minute (the deadline is 10th May). Hopefully this is
something that you can forgive us for, as I am sure the lifestyle change
impacts of Covid is affecting many of us here reading talk-gb.

   1.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microgrants/Microgrants_2020/Proposal/Leaflets_to_promote_OSM
   2.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microgrants/Microgrants_2020/Proposal/Addition_of_USRNs_and_outreach_to_public_sector
   3.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microgrants/Microgrants_2020/Proposal/One-off_costs_related_to_hosting_core_UK_systems_for_a_year

If you are wondering whether to submit any applications yourself, then we
would encourage you to do so. It does not take too long to complete the
form and the range of things that are eligible is quite substantive.

Best regards,
*Rob*

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 16:45, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> Not entirely serious/thought through, but i'd like to but an electric
> bike, cover it with OSM branding, and camera kit for making
> Mapillary/OpenStreetCam video. The bike then gets taken round various
> cities in the UK as a focal point for increasing the public's knowledge and
> contribution to OSM in the UK.
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:58 AM Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to follow up on this to see if anyone had ideas for the OSMF
>> microgrant scheme.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rob
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, 17:49 Rob Nickerson, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some ideas to get us started. Happy for anyone to pick these up
>>> and run with them. If you do, please let me know otherwise I may raise some
>>> myself:
>>>
>>> *Design and production of a series of leaflets. *
>>> I really liked the Wikimedia leaflets that were handed out at the OSM UK
>>> AGM in London. We borrowed the style to create a leaflet in advance of the
>>> MOVE 2020 conference. This one is corporate focused and hence we could do
>>> with a series of leaflets targeting different audiences (Wikimedia had 2
>>> leaflets at our AGM).
>>>
>>> *Costs related to hosting.*
>>> I'm pretty sure quite a few people would appreciate this.
>>>
>>> *Software projects.*
>>> I'm hoping we can come up with a few ideas here too. Personally I am
>>> finding myself using my laptop less and less and doing a lot more on my
>>> phone. A few of the OSM websites I use don't work that well on mobile so it
>>> may be nice to see some changes here. I'm expecting others to have much
>>> better ideas than me here though! :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Merchandise (swag) to recognize exceptional volunteer
>>>contributions, or low-cost swag.*
>>>- Subsidizing the cost of the hi-vis jacket scheme run by OSM UK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Funding for shared mapping equipment.*
>>>- What about a drone? Some bike and car mounts to help us collect
>>>more Mapillary / OpenStreetCam imagery?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's my starter for ten. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> *Rob*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:17, Rob Nickerson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR
 5000 (GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.

 https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/

 Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant
 local communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
 applicable".

 I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you
 can reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then
 I suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
 send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
 the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).

 Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)

 Best wishes
 *Rob*

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[Talk-lv] OSMF finansējums

2020-04-29 Per discussione Rihards

OSMF ir sākusies microgrants programma - var saņemt līdz 5000 eiro OSM
uzlabošanas projektiem.
Līdz 10. maijam var pieteikties.
Vairāk info -
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/
.
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

2020-04-26 Per discussione Jez Nicholson

Not entirely serious/thought through, but i'd like to but an electric bike,
cover it with OSM branding, and camera kit for making
Mapillary/OpenStreetCam video. The bike then gets taken round various
cities in the UK as a focal point for increasing the public's knowledge and
contribution to OSM in the UK.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:58 AM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to follow up on this to see if anyone had ideas for the OSMF
> microgrant scheme.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, 17:49 Rob Nickerson, 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are some ideas to get us started. Happy for anyone to pick these up
>> and run with them. If you do, please let me know otherwise I may raise some
>> myself:
>>
>> *Design and production of a series of leaflets. *
>> I really liked the Wikimedia leaflets that were handed out at the OSM UK
>> AGM in London. We borrowed the style to create a leaflet in advance of the
>> MOVE 2020 conference. This one is corporate focused and hence we could do
>> with a series of leaflets targeting different audiences (Wikimedia had 2
>> leaflets at our AGM).
>>
>> *Costs related to hosting.*
>> I'm pretty sure quite a few people would appreciate this.
>>
>> *Software projects.*
>> I'm hoping we can come up with a few ideas here too. Personally I am
>> finding myself using my laptop less and less and doing a lot more on my
>> phone. A few of the OSM websites I use don't work that well on mobile so it
>> may be nice to see some changes here. I'm expecting others to have much
>> better ideas than me here though! :-D
>>
>>
>>- *Merchandise (swag) to recognize exceptional volunteer
>>contributions, or low-cost swag.*
>>- Subsidizing the cost of the hi-vis jacket scheme run by OSM UK.
>>
>>
>>
>>- *Funding for shared mapping equipment.*
>>- What about a drone? Some bike and car mounts to help us collect
>>more Mapillary / OpenStreetCam imagery?
>>
>>
>> That's my starter for ten. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> *Rob*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:17, Rob Nickerson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR 5000
>>> (GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/
>>>
>>> Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant
>>> local communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
>>> applicable".
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you
>>> can reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then
>>> I suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
>>> send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
>>> the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).
>>>
>>> Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> *Rob*
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

2020-04-25 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

Just wanted to follow up on this to see if anyone had ideas for the OSMF
microgrant scheme.

Thanks
Rob

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, 17:49 Rob Nickerson,  wrote:

> Here are some ideas to get us started. Happy for anyone to pick these up
> and run with them. If you do, please let me know otherwise I may raise some
> myself:
>
> *Design and production of a series of leaflets. *
> I really liked the Wikimedia leaflets that were handed out at the OSM UK
> AGM in London. We borrowed the style to create a leaflet in advance of the
> MOVE 2020 conference. This one is corporate focused and hence we could do
> with a series of leaflets targeting different audiences (Wikimedia had 2
> leaflets at our AGM).
>
> *Costs related to hosting.*
> I'm pretty sure quite a few people would appreciate this.
>
> *Software projects.*
> I'm hoping we can come up with a few ideas here too. Personally I am
> finding myself using my laptop less and less and doing a lot more on my
> phone. A few of the OSM websites I use don't work that well on mobile so it
> may be nice to see some changes here. I'm expecting others to have much
> better ideas than me here though! :-D
>
> - *Merchandise (swag) to recognize exceptional volunteer contributions,
> or low-cost swag.*
> - Subsidizing the cost of the hi-vis jacket scheme run by OSM UK.
>
> - *Funding for shared mapping equipment.*
> - What about a drone? Some bike and car mounts to help us collect more
> Mapillary / OpenStreetCam imagery?
>
> That's my starter for ten. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.
>
> Thank you,
> *Rob*
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:17, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR 5000
>> (GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.
>>
>>
>> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/
>>
>> Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant
>> local communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
>> applicable".
>>
>> I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you
>> can reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then I
>> suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
>> send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
>> the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).
>>
>> Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)
>>
>> Best wishes
>> *Rob*
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

2020-04-19 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Here are some ideas to get us started. Happy for anyone to pick these up
and run with them. If you do, please let me know otherwise I may raise some
myself:

*Design and production of a series of leaflets. *
I really liked the Wikimedia leaflets that were handed out at the OSM UK
AGM in London. We borrowed the style to create a leaflet in advance of the
MOVE 2020 conference. This one is corporate focused and hence we could do
with a series of leaflets targeting different audiences (Wikimedia had 2
leaflets at our AGM).

*Costs related to hosting.*
I'm pretty sure quite a few people would appreciate this.

*Software projects.*
I'm hoping we can come up with a few ideas here too. Personally I am
finding myself using my laptop less and less and doing a lot more on my
phone. A few of the OSM websites I use don't work that well on mobile so it
may be nice to see some changes here. I'm expecting others to have much
better ideas than me here though! :-D

- *Merchandise (swag) to recognize exceptional volunteer contributions, or
low-cost swag.*
- Subsidizing the cost of the hi-vis jacket scheme run by OSM UK.

- *Funding for shared mapping equipment.*
- What about a drone? Some bike and car mounts to help us collect more
Mapillary / OpenStreetCam imagery?

That's my starter for ten. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.

Thank you,
*Rob*

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:17, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR 5000
> (GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.
>
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/
>
> Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant
> local communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
> applicable".
>
> I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you
> can reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then I
> suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
> send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
> the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).
>
> Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)
>
> Best wishes
> *Rob*
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

2020-04-19 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR 5000
(GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/

Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant local
communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
applicable".

I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you can
reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then I
suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).

Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)

Best wishes
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[OSM-talk] proposal OSMF active contributor membership

2020-04-01 Per discussione michael spreng

Last December at the AGM a proposal for membership in the OSMF based
solely on sizeable contribution was accepted with a very good result
(91%):
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meetings/2019/Suggested_AoA_Changes_revised#Vote_8:_Fee_waiver_for_mappers.2Fcontributors
In January, the membership working group discussed the implementation:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/MWG_2020-01-19
Sorry for the long silence since ; I would now like to open the
discussion and ask for your feedback and comments on the implementation
of the new active contributor membership

As described in the rationale for the vote, this is no charity. We want
active contributors to be member of the OSMF and be able to vote for the
benefit of the project. The membership fee should not be a barrier.

Our proposal is to automatically grant memberships to mappers who
request it and who have contributed at least 42 calendar days in the
last year (365 days).

Mapping days is not perfect, but we need a benchmark that is objective,
easy to verify, and simple for us to measure and implement.

Why 42 days? If we measure contributions in mapping days by OSMF members
who map (83%), roughly half of them map more than 42 days per year. We
would expect a “slightly exceptional” contribution in terms of mapping days.

We also discussed abuse. You could of course make tiny contributions
like wiggling a single node on 60 days, and maybe go undetected and get
your membership. But that would be fraud, and the membership could be
revoked if MWG finds out that the contributions are not meaningful.

Not everyone contributes by mapping, and some of the most familiar names
in our members list barely map. Some are very involved, for example, in
organizing conferences. Those other forms of contribution should be
recognised as well, and the board would take circular decisions on these
applications.

Please share your thoughts.

Best regards
Michael
Membership working group

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[Talk-de] OSMF-Wahlergebnis

2019-12-14 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

das Wahlergebnis:

1. Guillaume Rischard
2. Allan Mustard
3. Mikel Maron
4. Rory McCann

Die Satzungsänderungen sind alle angenommen, bis auf die 3. der drei
Term-Limit-Abstimmungen, das bedeutet, dass jemand nach einer Pause
wieder antreten kann, auch wenn er 6 Jahre im Board war.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF board election

2019-11-10 Per discussione Andy Townsend


On 10/11/2019 10:26, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Are there any questions that you want asking of the candidates for 
OSMF directorship? We have until 2019-11-13 00:01 UTC to submit these.


(for completeness)

List of candidates:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board

Questions so far:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board

Given that we have candidates this time that have not so much split 
opinion but torn it into tiny little pieces, could be an interesting time.


Best Regards,

Andy


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[Talk-GB] OSMF board election

2019-11-10 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

Are there any questions that you want asking of the candidates for OSMF
directorship? We have until 2019-11-13 00:01 UTC to submit these.

Best,
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Re: [Talk-at] OSMF-Mitgliederversammlung: Beschlussanträge | Aufruf zur Mitgliedschaft

2019-11-08 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

On 11/8/19 23:38, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Es gibt eine Reihe an Anträgen, über die abgestimmt werden soll
> (Nummerierung von mir).

Ja, das wird jetzt etwas verwirrend, weil die Nummerierung in dem
offiziellen Wahlzettel anders sein wird.

Der Punkt 4:

> 4. Feste Amtszeitbegrenzungen und -beschränkungen

wird nämlich aus drei Abstimmungen bestehen, grob umschrieben so:

4. Festlegung der Amtszeit auf 2 Perioden (1 Peride = Abstand zwischen
zwei Vorstandswahlen, also normal 1 Jahr), man kann beliebig oft zur
Wahl stehen

5. Einschränkung von 4. auf "man kann nur zur Wahl stehen, wenn man
innerhalb der letzten 8 Vorstandswahlen nicht schon dreimal gewählt
wurde" - praktisch also eine Amtszeitbeschränkung auf 6 Jahre, die durch
eine 2jährige Pause zurückgesetzt wird

6. weitere Einschränkung von 5 durch Streichung der "innerhalb der
letzten 8 Vorstandswahlen", d.h. eine harte Amtszeitbeschränkung auf 6 Jahre

Ferner wird es einen bisher nicht diskutierten Punkt 7 geben, das ist
eine kosmetische Änderung am §81 (ersetze "Annual General Meeting" durch
"General Meeting").

Die von Michael als Nr. 5 geführte Beitragsbefreiung ist dann Abstimmung
Nr. 8; für "associate members" ist das die einzige Abstimmung, an der
sie teilnehmen dürfen.

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[Talk-at] OSMF-Mitgliederversammlung: Beschlussanträge | Aufruf zur Mitgliedschaft

2019-11-08 Per discussione Michael Reichert

Hallo,

der Termin für die Mitgliederversammlung steht fest und somit auch der
Termin, bis zu dem sich Neumitglieder angemeldet haben müssen, um
wahlberechtigt zu sein.

Stichtag Anmeldung Neumitglieder: 13. November 2019
Mitgliederversammlung: 14. Dezember 2019 16:00 UTC (17:00 MEZ)

Bestehende Mitglieder sollte dringend ihre Mitgliedschaft erneuern, um
wahlberechtigt zu sein.

Außerdem werden noch Kandidaten gesucht, da die Auswahl derzeit sehr
englischlastig ist. Deadline ist hierfür Sonntagmorgen 00:01 UTC, also
Sonntag, der 10. November 2019 01:01 MEZ.
Die Liste der Kandidaten findet ihr im Wiki
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board#Candidates

Es gibt eine Reihe an Anträgen, über die abgestimmt werden soll
(Nummerierung von mir). Anträge 1 bis 4 sind Satzungsänderungen. Darüber
können *ausschließlich normale Mitglieder* abstimmen. Wenn ihr ein
assoziiertes Mitglied seid, müsst ihr euren Status ändern lassen. Da
nach britischem Recht jeder die Mitgliederliste einsehen darf, hat dann
jeder Zugriff auf Antrag auf euren Namen und eure Anschrift. Für
Satzungsänderungen ist eine Dreiviertelmehrheit erforderlich. Über
Antrag 5 dürfen alle Mitglieder abstimmen, die 50-Prozent-Mehrheit genügt.


1. Änderung des Zeitraums, in dem der OSMF-Vorstand einen
Mitgliedsantrag zurückweisen kann

Bislang kann der Vorstand laut § 15 der Satzung einen Mitgliedsantrag
binnen 7 Tagen zurückweisen. Diese Frist wird auf 30 Tage erhöht.


2. Änderung der Voraussetzungen für aktives Wahlrecht bei Vorstandswahlen

Künftig muss man mindestens 90 statt mindestens 30 Tage lang aktives
Mitglied gewesen sein, um wahlberechtigt zu sein. Außerdem darf man in
den 7 Tagen vor der Mitgliederversammlung keine Beitragsschulden gehabt
haben (das Erneuern einer erloschenen Mitgliedschaft in diesem Zeitraum
stellt die Wahlberechtigung nicht wieder her). Zudem legt der Antrag
fest, dass Tage volle Kalendertage in UTC sind und zur Bestimmung des
Kalendertags die Zeitzone UTC verwendet wird.


3. Mindestmitgliedschaft für Vorstände

Wer durch Wahl durch die Mitglieder oder durch Entscheidung des
Vorstands in den Vorstand aufgenommen wird, muss in den 180 Tagen vor
der Aufnahme Mitglied gewesen sein.


4. Feste Amtszeitbegrenzungen und -beschränkungen

Derzeit muss stets das älteste Drittel (gerundet) der Vorstände neu
gewählt werden (es zählt die Zeit seit der letzten Wahl des jeweiligen
Vorstandsmitglieds). Damit ist die Dauer der Amtszeit zu Beginn nicht
vorhersehbar. Künftig sollen alle Vorstandsposten zur Wahl stehen, deren
Inhaber mindestens 18 Monate seit ihr letzten Wahl im Amt sind. Zudem
soll niemand mehr als dreimal oder häufiger zum Vorstand (wieder)gewählt
worden sein.


5. Änderung des Mitgliederbeschlusses über die Beitragsbefreiung

Der Vorstand kann auf Antrag assoziierten Mitgliedern den Beitrag
erlassen, wenn sie sich diesen nicht leisten können oder es keine
geeignete Bezahlungsmöglichkeit gibt (z.B. Land ohne Paypal und horrende
Überweisungsgebühren nach Großbritannien). Künftig fallen diese zwei
Gründe weg. Stattdessen kann der Mitgliedsbeitrag erlassen werden, wenn
die Person durchgängig erhebliche Beiträge zu OSM, z.B. durch Mapping,
geleistet hat. Die Festlegung der Erheblichkeit erfolgt durch die
Membership Working Group gemeinsam mit dem Vorstand.

Viele Grüße

Michael


 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff: [Talk-at] Erinnerung: OSMF-Mitgliedschaft erneuern bzw.
normales Mitglied werden
Datum: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 19:43:29 +0200
Von: Michael Reichert 
Antwort an: OpenStreetMap AT 
An: talk-at@openstreetmap.org



Hallo,

zwar hat der Vorstand der OpenStreetMap Foundation noch nicht den Termin
für die nächste Mitgliederversammlung bekanntgegeben, dennoch ist es
langsam an der Zeit, die jährliche Überweisung des Mitgliedsbeitrags an
die OpenStreetMap Foundation zu tätigen bzw. ihr beizutreten.

Beitritt als normales Mitglied:
https://join.osmfoundation.org/normal-membership/

Wenn ihr per Banküberweisung bezahlt, füllt bitte das folgende Formular
ausfüllen, da die Foundation nur die ersten 14 (?) Zeichen des
Verwendungszwecks von ihrer Bank erhält. Das erleichtert die Zuordnung
der Zahlungseingänge sehr
https://join.osmfoundation.org/alternative-payment-options/
Paypal-Zahlungen werden automatisch verbucht und erfordern keine
Handarbeit auf Seiten der Membership Working Group.

Die Mitgliedschaft in der OSMF sollte für jeden, der für OSM brennt,
eine Ehrensache sein. Die 15 Pfund (ca. 16,50 Euro) [1] pro Jahr sind
für die meisten Deutschen finanziell verkraftbar. Ich denke, dass die
Mitglieder der Foundation und somit Herren über die Rechte an den Daten
auch diejenigen sein sollten, die sie auch sammeln.

Die Mitgliederversammlung findet online statt, die Stimmen können in den
7 Tagen vor der Versammlung abgegeben werden. Schlechte
Englischkenntnisse sollten keine Hürde sein, es wird sicherlich genügend
deutschsprachige Zusammenfassungen/Empfehlungen geben.

Auf der kommenden

[Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstands-Wahlen

2019-11-06 Per discussione Christoph Hormann


Hallo Zusammen,

ich möchte hier mal auf die bevorstehenden Vorstandswahlen der OSMF 
hinweisen.  Tobias hat hierzu im Forum schon eine detailliertere 
Erläuterung geschrieben:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=67900

In kurz:

* Ihr habt bis zum 09.11. Zeit, Euch als Kandidat auszustellen,
* ihr habt bis zum 12.11. Zeit, Fragen an die Kandidaten zu stellen 
(welche vor der Weiterleitung an die Kandidaten durch Michael Collinson 
redigiert werden) und
* ihr habt bis zum 13.11. Zeit, Mitglied der OSMF zu werden, um an den 
Wahlen Teil zu nehmen.

Mehr Details siehe

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board

Was ich zusätzlich wie im letzten Jahr anbieten möchte ist ein 
Übersetzungs-Service für Fragen.  Es sind diesmal zwar auch 
ausdrücklich Fragen in anderen Sprachen als Englisch erlaubt, aber 
gleichzeitig ist auch erwünscht, Fragen in lokalen Communities zu 
diskutieren und zu koordinieren.  Auch ist der gesamte Zeitplan relativ 
eng, so dass es hilfreich ist, wenn wir Fragen auf Deutsch gleich mit 
einer Übersetzung einbringen.  Wer also Fragen hat ist eingeladen, 
diese hier vorzustellen und ggf. zu diskutieren und ich kann - wenn 
gewünscht - das Ergebnis einer solchen Diskussion auf der offiziellen 
Frage-Seite mit Übersetzung einreichen.

Auch denjenigen, die keine Fragen stellen möchten, möchte ich - wenn Sie 
aktive Mapper sind oder ihnen OpenStreetMap am Herzen liegt - sehr nahe 
legen, bis zum 13.11. OSMF-Mitglied zu werden und an den Wahlen Teil zu 
nehmen (falls Ihr das noch nicht seid).  Die OSMF kann sehr viel 
Positives für das Projekt bewirken - wenn sie denn die richtigen 
Entscheidungen fällt.  Und das hängt maßgeblich davon ab, ob *Ihr* 
qualifizierte Leute in den Vorstand wählt.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF Board face-to face meeting: Suggest the topics and issues that matter to you

2019-05-10 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

My personal (non OSM UK company) response to the survey was as follows.
Given time constraints (the meeting is in May and they need time to digest
responses before then), I encourage others to submit personal responses.

---

OSM is big. It would be great if at the end of your meeting you have a
clear idea of which small part you want to help with. The OSMF states it is
"supporting [and] encouraging the growth, development and distribution of
free geospatial data". Which bits are the community perfectly capable of
doing on their own, and where is the community struggling after 15 years?

My take on it is that the community is great at collecting data (by ground
survey, promoting release of open data, etc) and have great technical
expertise. Where I feel the OSMF can add value is in community building /
cohesion. The decentralised nature of the project has led to a fragmented
community which can boil over into damaging debates based on "us versus
them" mindsets (e.g. Craft Mappers versus Corporate/Robot Mappers, Europe
vs USA, Humanitarian vs Local mapping, etc). My advise would be to focus on
building a healthy community and let us deliver the rest.

P.S. I have no idea how to achieve this (sorry) but my gut instinct is that
we need to use https://www.openstreetmap.org/ to highlight more about the
community as well as the map data.

---

Best regards,
*Rob*

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 20:37, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Some may be interested in completing the following super short survey:
>
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/05/09/osmf-board-face-to-face-meeting-suggest-the-topics-and-issues-that-matter-to-you/
>
> For those who don't know, the OSMF is the "international not-for-profit
> organization supporting, but not controlling, the OpenStreetMap Project. It
> is dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and distribution of
> free geospatial data and to providing geospatial data for anyone to use and
> share."
>
> The OSMF board of directors tend to meet in person once a year and this is
> your opportunity to influence what they will cover at their May 2019
> meeting.
>
> Best regards,
> *Rob*
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMF Board face-to face meeting: Suggest the topics and issues that matter to you

2019-05-09 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi all,

Some may be interested in completing the following super short survey:

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/05/09/osmf-board-face-to-face-meeting-suggest-the-topics-and-issues-that-matter-to-you/

For those who don't know, the OSMF is the "international not-for-profit
organization supporting, but not controlling, the OpenStreetMap Project. It
is dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and distribution of
free geospatial data and to providing geospatial data for anyone to use and
share."

The OSMF board of directors tend to meet in person once a year and this is
your opportunity to influence what they will cover at their May 2019
meeting.

Best regards,
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[Diversity-talk] FYI: OSMF, "Etiquette" wiki page

2019-02-15 Per discussione Rory McCann


Hello all,

The next OSM Foundation board meeting is in 5 days, and there's an item 
on the agenda that might interest some here, and the "Etiquette" wiki 
page & the OSMF Wiki and all that. This is similar to a "code of 
conduct". (The code of conduct for this list is very different from the 
etiquette page)


The OSMF board meetings are on a VoIP Mumble system, and OSMF members 
are allowed connect and listen, often with a chance to ask questions at 
the end.


Board agenda: 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2019-02-20#Move_etiquette_guidelines_to_OSMF_website


Wiki page in question: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

Countdown to the meeting: 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+board+meeting+-+20th+February+at+19:00+London+time+(Wednesday,+new+time)+=20190220T19=136=1%2021:0


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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

2018-12-16 Per discussione FlashKiwi

Great email Andrew!
Andrew makes some great comments and raises some very fair concerns. The key is
participation, and if you have a passion for all things OSM in AU/NZ/Pacific
then I really encourage you to be part of the process. Subscribe to the
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/ and follow the discussions.
Please don't forget that the 2019 Conference is being held in Wellington
Cheers
Greg LauerOn Monday, 17 December 2018, 4:16:17 PM AEST, Andrew Harvey
wrote:

There is a movement at the moment on the FOSS4G Oceania mailing list,
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/, by the group who
organised the recent FOSS4G SotM Oceania conference, looking to get a
bit more organised through some kind of governance and organisation
structure.

Their proposal is to setup an OSGeo Oceania entity against the terms
of reference at
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/attachments/20181214/f7637cbb/attachment-0001.pdf

The rationale behind this originally stemmed from a desire for an
organisation to run our regional joint FOSS4G and SotM conference, but
the proposal is for "Its purpose is to foster the growth of the
geospatial open source & open data community in the Oceania region,
including the oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference
series."

The proposed OSGeo Oceania entity would be similar to the German
FOSSGIS eV https://www.fossgis.de/ which is both the German OSMF Local
Chapter and the Open Source Geospatial organisation.

The OSGeo Oceania terms of reference explicitly state the intention to
become an OSMF Local Chapter
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters, so I feel it's
important the whole community here is aware and has the opportunity to
get involved.

Personally I think a local chapter is a good thing, it can be used to
foster the growth of OpenStreetMap within Australia, New Zealand and
the pacific islands. On my personal wish list:

1. Set up a local HOT Tasking Manager to be used locally for all kinds
of mapping coordination, including post disaster

2. LGA level extracts, this will hopefully make OSM data even more
accessible by local government and help promote OpenStreetMap within
local government

3. Take control of openstreetmap.org.au though the OpenStreetMap
trademark in Australia that OSMF holds

4. A rendering of the OSM Carto style but showing indigenous names.

5. Provide a contact point for government

I have concerns too:

1. Have we reached out to the pacific islands OpenStreetMap community?
If we're starting a Local Chapter that includes them, they need to be
involved in it. (This email is one step to try to get the Australian
and New Zealand communities involved)

2. An OSMF Local Chapter for our region should have the goal to foster
the growth of the OpenStreetMap project within our region. In my
opinion this should include supporting OpenStreetMap within
proprietary software and services, so long as in line with the
OpenStreetMap license. A joint OSGeo Oceania should be okay with
supporting OpenStreetMap and even promoting it together with non free
and open source geospatial software.

3. Funding and money. Funds could be raised through individual
memberships like OSMF and organisation supporters/sponsors. At the
moment the OSGeo Oceania terms of reference don't go into that detail,
it's mostly around running the conference. I'm unsure how the funds
raised would flow into funds distributed, would a sponsor or member be
able to choose if they want their contribution allocated towards just
OpenStreetMap, just free and open source software, or both? What about
at a country level?

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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

2018-12-16 Per discussione John Bryant

Thanks Andrew! I'm hopeful this will be seen as a positive move, taken in
the spirit it's intended - to enable and empower the OSM and open source
geospatial communities to work together with common purpose.

For this new organisation (OSGeo Oceania) to legitimately claim to
represent the OSM community, it will certainly need ongoing engagement from
OSM people from around the region. Ideally this will include active
participation in the governance & management of the organisation.
Representation of the OSM community on the board of the new org is
explicitly stated as an objective in the newly-written Terms of Reference
.

Looking forward to carrying on the discussion.

Cheers!
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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

2018-12-16 Per discussione Graeme Fitzpatrick

Thanks for sharing Andrew.

Sounds good to me!

Thanks

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[talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

2018-12-16 Per discussione Andrew Harvey

Their proposal is to setup an OSGeo Oceania entity against the terms
of reference at
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/attachments/20181214/f7637cbb/attachment-0001.pdf

The proposed OSGeo Oceania entity would be similar to the German
FOSSGIS eV https://www.fossgis.de/ which is both the German OSMF Local
Chapter and the Open Source Geospatial organisation.

Personally I think a local chapter is a good thing, it can be used to
foster the growth of OpenStreetMap within Australia, New Zealand and
the pacific islands. On my personal wish list:

1. Set up a local HOT Tasking Manager to be used locally for all kinds
of mapping coordination, including post disaster

2. LGA level extracts, this will hopefully make OSM data even more
accessible by local government and help promote OpenStreetMap within
local government

3. Take control of openstreetmap.org.au though the OpenStreetMap
trademark in Australia that OSMF holds

4. A rendering of the OSM Carto style but showing indigenous names.

5. Provide a contact point for government

I have concerns too:

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[talk-latam] OSMF elecciones 2018

2018-12-11 Per discussione Miriam Mapanauta

Hola/Oi mappers de OSM Latam

Además de saludares les hago una invitación para que lean el manifiesto y
las preguntas de los candidatos que estamos contendiendo a las elecciones
de 2018 para ser parte del Board de la Fundación de OSM. Podrán votar
aquellas personas que sean miembrxs dentro de las fechas autorizadas, es
decir, estar inscritos un mes antes de las votaciones. Les comparto el link
para que decidan por lxs candidatxs que crean serán su voz y comparten sus
ideas para el futuro del proyecto OSM.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM18/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos#

Saludos,

Miriam
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[Talk-us] OSMF Elections

2018-11-14 Per discussione Jonah Adkins

Hello OSM-ers!

On behalf the OpenStreetMap US Board, I’d like to encourage everyone to become 
a member of the OpenStreetMap Foundation and participate in the upcoming 
elections.  Joining the foundation helps keep the OpenStreetMap servers up and 
running around the world. Among many other benefits, membership gives you a 
voice in the global community as well as governance of the foundation. To vote 
in the next election your membership must be processed by November 15, 2018.

To join the OpenStreetMap Foundation -> https://join.osmfoundation.org 


For more information about the upcoming elections -> 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM18/Election_to_Board 




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[Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstand tagt in Karlsruhe

2018-04-24 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

am Wochenende ist eine Klausurtagung ("Face-to-Face-Meeting") des
OSMF-Vorstands in Karlsruhe.

Samstag abend (28.4. 19:30) ist die Community beim gemeinsamen
Abendessen im Restaurant "Zum Kleinen Ketterer"
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4413801140) willkommen. Bitte sagt
mir bescheid, wenn ihr kommen wollt, damit ich sicherstellen kann, dass
genug Plätze reserviert sind.

Bye
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[Talk-lv] osmf ziedojumi

2018-04-19 Per discussione Rihards

"An existing Corporate Member is interested to publicly pledge a fixed
percentage of the profits they make with an OSM-based product/service to
the OSMF."

Vēl nav apstiprināts, bet pats princips tik ļoti jauks :)

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-04-19#Corporate_donation_with_un-disclosed_amount
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-20 Per discussione Michael Meier

>> Die OWG sucht daher ein Rechenzentrum in der Europäischen Union, dessen
>> Netzwerklatenz zu den bisherigen Standorten idealerweise unter 20 ms
>> beträgt. Gesucht wird ein Rack für die Server, die sich im Eigentum der
>> OSMF befinden. Weitere Details zur Ausschreibung findet ihr hier:
> Hm, belwue, Karlsruhe:
>  ~/ > ping -c1 openstreetmap.org
> PING openstreetmap.org (193.63.75.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from spike-01.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 
> time=23.6 ms

DFN, Erlangen:
64 bytes from spike-03.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.103): icmp_seq=1
ttl=51 time=19.0 ms

> Habe gerade auch mal einen traceroute gemacht. Netzwerktopologisch relativ
> "weit" weg.
> Ich bin erstaunt wie schlecht das ist. In andere europäische Hochschulnetze
> (z.B. switch.ch) gibt es direkte peerings.

Den traceroute wuerd ich gerne sehen. Durchaus moeglich, dass Belwue da
irgendne bescheuerte Extrawurst faehrt, aber ueblicherweise duerften sie
den Traffic einfach beim DFN abladen, und das hat via GEANT durchaus
"direkte" Peerings zu janet. (Fuer Unkundige: DFN ist das Deutsche
ForschungsNetz, Janet ist das britische Forschungsnetz, GEANT eine Art
Verbundnetz zwischen den nationalen europaeischen Forschungsnetzen.)
Von hier zu Janet ist kein Hop ausser Geant zu sehen, sprich es
verlaesst an keiner Stelle den Verbund der europaeischen
Forschungsnetze. Das wuerde ich als sehr direktes Peering bezeichnen.

>  4  cr-erl2-te0-0-0-7-4.x-win.dfn.de (188.1.234.229)  0.781 ms  0.793 ms  
> 0.794 ms
>  5  cr-fra2-be11.x-win.dfn.de (188.1.144.222)  4.167 ms * *
>  6  dfn.mx1.fra.de.geant.net (62.40.124.217)  3.971 ms * *
>  7  ae1.mx1.ams.nl.geant.net (62.40.98.129)  10.850 ms  10.893 ms  10.884 ms
>  8  ae2.mx1.lon.uk.geant.net (62.40.98.80)  18.162 ms * *
>  9  * * *
> 10  * * *
> 11  ae20-0.londic.rbr1.ja.net (146.97.37.134)  18.982 ms  19.060 ms  19.051 ms
> 12  imperial-college.ja.net (146.97.136.90)  19.367 ms  19.185 ms  19.178 ms

Ein deutsches (Uni-)Rechenzentrum im DFN wuerde daher Meinung nach die
Kriterien der Ausschreibung sehr gut erfuellen. Je nach Lage innerhalb
Deutschlands wuerde es zwar evtl. knapp die '20 ms' reissen, aber das
Kriterium ist ja ohnehin weich formuliert ("Ideally within 20ms of our
existing sites on JANET"). (Und nein, wir haetten zwar 19ms, werden uns
aber wohl eher nicht bewerben.)
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-20 Per discussione Simon Poole

c im Medium

Am 20.02.2018 um 09:49 schrieb Sven Geggus:
> Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>> Die OWG sucht daher ein Rechenzentrum in der Europäischen Union, dessen
>> Netzwerklatenz zu den bisherigen Standorten idealerweise unter 20 ms
>> beträgt. Gesucht wird ein Rack für die Server, die sich im Eigentum der
>> OSMF befinden. Weitere Details zur Ausschreibung findet ihr hier:
> Hm, belwue, Karlsruhe:
>  ~/ > ping -c1 openstreetmap.org
> PING openstreetmap.org (193.63.75.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from spike-01.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 
> time=23.6 ms
>
> Habe gerade auch mal einen traceroute gemacht. Netzwerktopologisch relativ
> "weit" weg.
>
> Ich bin erstaunt wie schlecht das ist. In andere europäische Hochschulnetze
> (z.B. switch.ch) gibt es direkte peerings.
>
> Bei Hetzner sieht das aber auch nicht wirklich besser aus:
>  ~/ > ping -4 -c1 openstreetmap.org
> PING openstreetmap.org (193.63.75.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from spike-01.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49
> time=24.4 ms
>
> --- openstreetmap.org ping statistics ---
> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 24.420/24.420/24.420/0.000 ms
>
> DFN direkt habe ich nur einen einzigen Shell-Account und kann daher wenig
> sagen, das ist aber mit 35 ms noch schlimmer.
>
> Sven
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-20 Per discussione Sven Geggus

Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Die OWG sucht daher ein Rechenzentrum in der Europäischen Union, dessen
> Netzwerklatenz zu den bisherigen Standorten idealerweise unter 20 ms
> beträgt. Gesucht wird ein Rack für die Server, die sich im Eigentum der
> OSMF befinden. Weitere Details zur Ausschreibung findet ihr hier:

Hm, belwue, Karlsruhe:
 ~/ > ping -c1 openstreetmap.org
PING openstreetmap.org (193.63.75.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from spike-01.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 
time=23.6 ms

Habe gerade auch mal einen traceroute gemacht. Netzwerktopologisch relativ
"weit" weg.

Ich bin erstaunt wie schlecht das ist. In andere europäische Hochschulnetze
(z.B. switch.ch) gibt es direkte peerings.

Bei Hetzner sieht das aber auch nicht wirklich besser aus:
 ~/ > ping -4 -c1 openstreetmap.org
PING openstreetmap.org (193.63.75.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from spike-01.osm.ichosted.org.uk (193.63.75.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49
time=24.4 ms

--- openstreetmap.org ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 24.420/24.420/24.420/0.000 ms

DFN direkt habe ich nur einen einzigen Shell-Account und kann daher wenig
sagen, das ist aber mit 35 ms noch schlimmer.

Sven

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-19 Per discussione Michael Reichert

Hallo,

Am 19.02.2018 um 17:19 schrieb Harald Hartmann:
> Bei Hetzner vielleicht ... ich weiss das dort etwas (kostenlos) gehostet
> wird, nur weiss ich nicht mehr was...

Der JOSM-Server ist von Hetzner gesponsort. Die anderen Server des
FOSSGIS e.V. sind aus Spendengeldern bezahlt und "normale" Rootserver.

Viele Grüße

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-19 Per discussione Harald Hartmann

Bei Hetzner vielleicht ... ich weiss das dort etwas (kostenlos) gehostet
wird, nur weiss ich nicht mehr was...



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[Talk-de] OSMF sucht Rechenzentrum

2018-02-19 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

die Operations Working Group der OpenStreetMap Foundation hat den
Großteil ihrer Server, u.a. diejenigen, auf denen die API(-Datenbank)
läuft, in drei britischen Rechenzentren stehen. Eines der drei muss
geräumt werden, da die Räumlichkeiten künftig anders genutzt werden.

Die OWG sucht daher ein Rechenzentrum in der Europäischen Union, dessen
Netzwerklatenz zu den bisherigen Standorten idealerweise unter 20 ms
beträgt. Gesucht wird ein Rack für die Server, die sich im Eigentum der
OSMF befinden. Weitere Details zur Ausschreibung findet ihr hier:

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2018/02/19/osmf-request-for-proposals-data-centre-2018/

Die OSMF ist bereit, für die Dienstleistung zu bezahlen, kann sich
jedoch keine marktüblichen Preise leisten. Potentielle Standorte sind
daher Hochschulrechenzentren oder gewerbliche  Anbieter, die das Projekt
unterstützen möchten.

Wir denken, dass es sicherlich potentielle Partner in Deutschland gibt.
Es würde auch zum nicht unerheblichen Anteil der deutschen Community am
OpenStreetMap-Projekt passen, wenn wir nicht nur zu OSM beitragen
sondern auch einen Rechnerstandort in Deutschland hätten.

Die OWG hat leider nicht die personellen Ressourcen, um potentielle
Partner zu kontaktieren, daher sollten wir uns als deutsche Community
ein bisschen an der Arbeit beteiligen.

Hat jemand von Euch möglicherweise Kontakte zu potentiellen Hostern -
gewerblich oder im Hochschulbereich? Habt ihr Ideen, wen man fragen könnte?

Meldet Euch doch hier mit einem Followup oder direkt per Mail an Michael
oder mich, und wir koordinieren dann das Vorgehen ein bisschen.

Viele Grüße
Michael Reichert und Frederik Ramm

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Re: [OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-19 Per discussione Marc Gemis

It's listed on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Just click on the "archive" link there to access it (read-only of
course) as a non OSMF member.


m.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Sérgio V. <svo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Of course I understand, and support, that sending emails to OSMF-talk  is
> only to OSMF members, a non-member should not have the right to send emails
> to that list.
> But readable it is; as usual in democratic institutions, where discussions
> can be listen.
> So the easier it could be to find OSMF-talk to be read, by any OSMer, the
> better, the more democratic it is.
> Of course, hope it keeps openly readable.
> The discussions there are relevant for the rest of the OSM world. Thanks.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs
>
>
>
> 
> De: Tom Hughes <t...@compton.nu>
> Enviado: terça-feira, 19 de dezembro de 2017 21:54
> Para: Sérgio V.; talk@openstreetmap.org
> Assunto: Re: no osmf-talk link at listinfo
>
> On 19/12/17 22:51, Sérgio V. wrote:
>>>> but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.
>>>  I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to
>> the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki
>>
>> Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
>> But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just
>> by the listinfo.
>> Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps I'm not
>> that wiki expert.
>> But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the other
>> mailing lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.
>> Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps considering join it.
>> Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?
>
> As I explained yesterday it is a private list open only to OSMF members.
>
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2017-12-19 Per discussione Sérgio V .

Of course I understand, and support, that sending emails to OSMF-talk  is only 
to OSMF members, a non-member should not have the right to send emails to that 
list.
But readable it is; as usual in democratic institutions, where discussions can 
be listen.
So the easier it could be to find OSMF-talk to be read, by any OSMer, the 
better, the more democratic it is.
Of course, hope it keeps openly readable.
The discussions there are relevant for the rest of the OSM world. Thanks.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs

De: Tom Hughes <t...@compton.nu>
Enviado: terça-feira, 19 de dezembro de 2017 21:54
Para: Sérgio V.; talk@openstreetmap.org
Assunto: Re: no osmf-talk link at listinfo

On 19/12/17 22:51, Sérgio V. wrote:
>>> but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.
>>  I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to
> the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki
>
> Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
> But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just
> by the listinfo.
> Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps I'm not
> that wiki expert.
> But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the other
> mailing lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.
> Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps considering join it.
> Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?

As I explained yesterday it is a private list open only to OSMF members.

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Re: [OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-19 Per discussione Tom Hughes

I don't think the archives being semi-visible is deliberate, but it's 
not my decision.


I can't remember now if I created it but I suspect I did and I probably 
created it as hidden because the idea was that people would be added and 
removed automatically as they joined and left OSMF and having it listed 
would just cause confusion as people tried to join it.


The archives could be made private but it's a bit of a pain because then 
the list members have to login to access them.


Tom

On 20/12/17 00:20, joost schouppe wrote:

Tom,
It is meant to be readable for non-members, right? So what exactly has 
the fact you can't post as a non-OSMF member to do with being or not 
being listed on listinfo?



Op 20 dec. 2017 12:57 a.m. schreef "Tom Hughes" <t...@compton.nu 
<mailto:t...@compton.nu>>:


On 19/12/17 22:51, Sérgio V. wrote:

but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.

   I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there
is a link to

the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki

Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just
by the listinfo.
Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps
I'm not that wiki expert.
But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the
other mailing lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.
Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps
considering join it.
Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?


As I explained yesterday it is a private list open only to OSMF members.

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2017-12-19 Per discussione joost schouppe

Tom,
It is meant to be readable for non-members, right? So what exactly has the
fact you can't post as a non-OSMF member to do with being or not being
listed on listinfo?


Op 20 dec. 2017 12:57 a.m. schreef "Tom Hughes" <t...@compton.nu>:

On 19/12/17 22:51, Sérgio V. wrote:

> but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.
>>>
>>   I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to
>>
> the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki
>
> Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
> But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just
> by the listinfo.
> Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps I'm not
> that wiki expert.
> But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the other
> mailing lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.
> Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps considering join it.
> Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?
>

As I explained yesterday it is a private list open only to OSMF members.

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Re: [OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-19 Per discussione Tom Hughes


On 19/12/17 22:51, Sérgio V. wrote:

but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.
  I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to 

the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki

Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just 
by the listinfo.
Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps I'm not 
that wiki expert.
But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the other 
mailing lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.

Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps considering join it.
Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?


As I explained yesterday it is a private list open only to OSMF members.

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2017-12-19 Per discussione Sérgio V .

>> but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.
>  I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to
the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki

Ok, thank you both. I've found it, as I've quoted it.
But it's actually not easy to find like the others are, just by the listinfo.
Long time it took to me to realise OSMF-talk exists. Ok, perhaps I'm not that 
wiki expert.
But would it be nice to have it listed in listinfo? Like all the other mailing 
lists are? Easy to find, for everyone.
Then probably more OSMers could read it; also perhaps considering join it.
Or, at least, why isn't it listed in listinfo?

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Re: [OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-18 Per discussione Mike N


On 12/18/2017 2:49 PM, Sérgio V. wrote:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo?

I've read  in http://www.weeklyosm.eu <http://www.weeklyosm.eu/> about
some interesting discussions there,

but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.


 I'm not sure why it wasn't listed on that page, but there is a link to 
the OSMF-talk archives from the Wiki


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists



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Re: [OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-18 Per discussione Tom Hughes


On 18/12/17 19:49, Sérgio V. wrote:


please, one question:

Why is the link to

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/

not directly accessible by the

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo?

I've read inhttp://www.weeklyosm.eu <http://www.weeklyosm.eu/> about 
some interesting discussions there,


but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.


It's a list for OSMF members that they are subscribed to when they join 
and it's open for public subscription.


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[OSM-talk] no osmf-talk link at listinfo

2017-12-18 Per discussione Sérgio V .

Hello,

please, one question:

Why is the link to

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/

not directly accessible by the

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo?

I've read  in http://www.weeklyosm.eu<http://www.weeklyosm.eu/> about some 
interesting discussions there,

but I can't find the link to osmf-talk in the listinfo.

I'm not questioning necessarily for subscribing it, if it's for members only, 
but I thought it was public to read since as reported to follow it, and the 
significance of the OSMF talks for the whole OSM community, including to 
consider joining as associated member, etc.

Sorry if not good english.

Thanks in advance.

>From Brazil,


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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-09 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann


Am 06.12.2017 um 13:35 schrieb Michael Reichert:

ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF veröffentlicht.

vielen Dank dafür.

Da nicht jeder die englischsprachige talk-Liste liest das Ergebnis:
=
Betreff:

[OSM-talk] OSMF Board Elections
Datum:  Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:23:46 -0800
Von:Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us>
An: 	Talk Openstreetmap <t...@openstreetmap.org>, Paul Norman 
<penor...@mac.com>, Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com>, Ilya Zverev 
<zve...@textual.ru>




Congratulations Paul Norman and Heather Leson to being elected to serve 
on the OSMF Board


Thank you Ilya Zverev for serving on the Board.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Christoph Hormann

On Thursday 07 December 2017, Michael Reichert wrote:
>
> 1. Paul Norman
> 2. Joost Schouppe
> 3. David Dean oder leer lassen
> 4. (leer lassen)

Ohne eine Empfehlung abgeben zu wollen (ich bin da anders als Michael 
sehr zurückhaltend) - wenn man bei der STV-Wahl einen Kandidaten 
unbedingt verhindern will dann sollte man alle anderen Kandidaten auf 
die Liste setzen.

Denn wenn man nur zwei Kandidaten auf dem Wahlzettel hat und im 
STV-Verfahren dann einer davon eliminiert wird weil aussichtslos (siehe 
auch die Beschreibung von STV in Michaels erstem Teil) dann hat man 
ggf. keine Stimme mehr und somit auch keine gegen den Kandidaten, den 
man verhindern möchte.

Die vierte Position bei einer Wahl für zwei Sitze leer zu lassen, weil 
man einen der Kandidaten überhaupt nicht möchte, hat hingegen so weit 
ich das sehe keine große praktische Bedeutung, ist aber natürlich ein 
politisches Statement.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Michael Reichert

Hallo,

Am 06.12.2017 um 13:35 schrieb Michael Reichert:
> ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
> die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF veröffentlicht.
> 
> https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-1/
> 
> In dem verlinkten ersten Teil fasse ich die Wahlprogramme, die Antworten
> auf Wählerfragen sowie die Kritiker zusammen. Teil 2 des Beitrags ist
> noch nicht fertig und passiert heute Abend hoffentlich die
> Rechtschreibkontrolle [1].

Teil 2 ist jetzt auch online.

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-2/

Mein Wahlvorschlag lautet:

1. Paul Norman
2. Joost Schouppe
3. David Dean oder leer lassen
4. (leer lassen)

Viele Grüße

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Manfred A. Reiter

Danke für die große Mühe, die Du Dir gemacht hast!

M.

Am 6. Dezember 2017 um 13:35 schrieb Michael Reichert <
osm...@michreichert.de>:

> Hallo,
>
> ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
> die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF
> veröffentlicht.
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-
> vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-1/
>
> In dem verlinkten ersten Teil fasse ich die Wahlprogramme, die Antworten
> auf Wählerfragen sowie die Kritiker zusammen. Teil 2 des Beitrags ist
> noch nicht fertig und passiert heute Abend hoffentlich die
> Rechtschreibkontrolle [1].
>
> Wer OSMF-Mitglied ist und es 30 Tage vor der Mitgliederversammlung am
> Samstagnachmittag schon war, der möge bitte seine Stimme abgeben. Jede
> Stimme zählt! Ja, wirklich! Es gibt Kandidaten, die z.B. fordern, dass
> Community-Manager eingesetzt werden. Allein der Begriff passt gar nicht
> zu OSM. Ich will keinen Chef, der mir in meinem Hobby sagt, was ich tun
> soll. In einem unfreien Community-Projekt wie Foursquare mag es
> angemessen sein, da man dort die Community bei Laune halten muss. OSM
> sollte aber kein hierarchisches Projekt werden. Mehr dazu in Teil 2.
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> Michael
>
>
> [1] Wer sich als einmaliger Lektor melden möchte, ohne sich zu
> irgendeiner Wochennotiz-Mitarbeit zu verpflichten, kann sich einfach bei
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Ludwig Baumgart

+1
:Ludwig
On 06.12.2017 13:38, Stefan Keller wrote:

+1
:Stefan

Am 6. Dezember 2017 um 13:35 schrieb Michael Reichert :

Hallo,

ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF veröffentlicht.

https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-1/

In dem verlinkten ersten Teil fasse ich die Wahlprogramme, die Antworten
auf Wählerfragen sowie die Kritiker zusammen. Teil 2 des Beitrags ist
noch nicht fertig und passiert heute Abend hoffentlich die
Rechtschreibkontrolle [1].

Wer OSMF-Mitglied ist und es 30 Tage vor der Mitgliederversammlung am
Samstagnachmittag schon war, der möge bitte seine Stimme abgeben. Jede
Stimme zählt! Ja, wirklich! Es gibt Kandidaten, die z.B. fordern, dass
Community-Manager eingesetzt werden. Allein der Begriff passt gar nicht
zu OSM. Ich will keinen Chef, der mir in meinem Hobby sagt, was ich tun
soll. In einem unfreien Community-Projekt wie Foursquare mag es
angemessen sein, da man dort die Community bei Laune halten muss. OSM
sollte aber kein hierarchisches Projekt werden. Mehr dazu in Teil 2.

Viele Grüße

Michael

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Stefan Keller

+1
:Stefan

Am 6. Dezember 2017 um 13:35 schrieb Michael Reichert :
> Hallo,
>
> ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
> die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF veröffentlicht.
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-1/
>
> In dem verlinkten ersten Teil fasse ich die Wahlprogramme, die Antworten
> auf Wählerfragen sowie die Kritiker zusammen. Teil 2 des Beitrags ist
> noch nicht fertig und passiert heute Abend hoffentlich die
> Rechtschreibkontrolle [1].
>
> Wer OSMF-Mitglied ist und es 30 Tage vor der Mitgliederversammlung am
> Samstagnachmittag schon war, der möge bitte seine Stimme abgeben. Jede
> Stimme zählt! Ja, wirklich! Es gibt Kandidaten, die z.B. fordern, dass
> Community-Manager eingesetzt werden. Allein der Begriff passt gar nicht
> zu OSM. Ich will keinen Chef, der mir in meinem Hobby sagt, was ich tun
> soll. In einem unfreien Community-Projekt wie Foursquare mag es
> angemessen sein, da man dort die Community bei Laune halten muss. OSM
> sollte aber kein hierarchisches Projekt werden. Mehr dazu in Teil 2.
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> Michael
>
>
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[Talk-de] OSMF-Vorstandswahlen 2017

2017-12-06 Per discussione Michael Reichert

Hallo,

ich habe gestern Abend im deutschen OSM-Blog einen längeren Beitrag über
die Kandidaten der diesjährigen Wahlen zum Vorstand der OSMF veröffentlicht.

https://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/12/wahlen-zum-vorstand-der-openstreetmap-foundation-2017-teil-1/

Viele Grüße

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Re: [Talk-it] [Osmf-talk] DWG survey on organized editing

2017-10-18 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

2017-10-18 10:44 GMT+02:00 Stefano :

> Io non sono socio e l'ho compilato...
>



hai ragione, chiedo scusa, il survey era annunciato anche sulle liste,
hanno mandato una mail solo ai soci, ma potevi partecipare anche
altrimenti.

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Re: [Talk-it] [Osmf-talk] DWG survey on organized editing

2017-10-18 Per discussione Stefano

Il giorno 18 ottobre 2017 10:24, Martin Koppenhoefer  ha scritto:

>
>
> 2017-10-18 9:53 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas  it>:
>
>> Ecco i risultati dell'indagine su come la pensa la comunità della
>> mappatura organizzata e/o pagata.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/Resul
>> ts_of_Organised_Editing_Survey_2017
>
>
>
> per precisione, l'indagine era soltanto tra i soci della OSMF, non in
> tutta la comunità dei mappatori OSM. Comunque, con più di 600 participanti
> è abbastanza rappresentativo per la foundation.
>

Io non sono socio e l'ho compilato...


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Re: [Talk-it] [Osmf-talk] DWG survey on organized editing

2017-10-18 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

2017-10-18 9:53 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas 
:

> Ecco i risultati dell'indagine su come la pensa la comunità della
> mappatura organizzata e/o pagata.
>
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/Resul
> ts_of_Organised_Editing_Survey_2017



per precisione, l'indagine era soltanto tra i soci della OSMF, non in tutta
la comunità dei mappatori OSM. Comunque, con più di 600 participanti è
abbastanza rappresentativo per la foundation.

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[Talk-it] [Osmf-talk] DWG survey on organized editing

2017-10-18 Per discussione Alessandro Palmas

Ecco i risultati dell'indagine su come la pensa la comunità della 
mappatura organizzata e/o pagata.



https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/Results_of_Organised_Editing_Survey_2017


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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] OSM and Diversity

2017-08-04 Per discussione Dan S

wing in on small things instead of addressing
>>> the bigger picture.
>>>
>>> I think it’s a great idea to include these principles in the Core Values
>>> list. I also think that really, 99% of people on this mailing list
>>> implicitly recognize those Core Values, if not always the best behaviors to
>>> reach them. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t recognize them, I just think it’s
>>> worth noting we are a community of good intentions, just not always good
>>> methods.
>>>
>>> Finally, 10 chicken statues?? 1 wasn’t enough?? This seems excessive.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 1:45 AM <s...@fraccaro.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kate,
>>>>  normally I don't write any message to the mailing list because I
>>>> can't read all messages and because my english is not so good. However your
>>>> email impressed me.
>>>> I agree with you. OSM should create a detailed map of the world. One size
>>>> don't fit all.
>>>> I hope to see also other womens in the OSMF board in the future;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Stefano
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Simon Poole

 they "were ignorant" or "didn't care"?
> Maybe, but in my eyes the fault lies just as much with the proposal
> itself; the confusion with "kindergarten" and the question of whether
> "social_facility" would not be better didn't come from nowhere and they
> should have been addressed, the proposal refined, and brought to vote in
> a better shape.
>
> Do voters have a duty to pass a badly done proposal when it is for a
> good thing? Or are they right to shoot down a badly written proposal?
> The "post mortem" on the page says "Voters have either not grasped this,
> or have considered the fact of overlap sufficient to reject the proposal
> without taking the time to propose a proper alternative." - but is it
> the voter's responsibility to propose a proper alternative?
>
> Monica Stephens makes the proposal sound less confusing in her talk -
> she explicitly claims the proposal was for childcare for kids that are
> "not of kindergarten age", when the proposal explicitly lists "0-6" as a
> valid age example. So her listeners will not be able to understand the
> confusion.
>
> She then says "OpenStreetMap is a democratic society where people vote
> on which amenities will appear on the base map" which is, of course,
> wrong in several ways (see my a/b/c list above).
>
> In criticising the "against" voters, she picks out a few that have
> spelling mistakes and adds a prominent "[sic]" after each "refered" or
> "usefull" - something that may be scientifically correct but speaks of a
> desire to belittle these people for whom English is not their first
> language. She doesn't quote any of the "against" votes that say that the
> overlap needs to be explained, she only quotes those who believe the new
> thing is identical to kindergarten. And the correct tally of 9 "no" and
> 5 "yes" votes becomes, in her talk, "voting ended and was 15 to 4". Just
> sloppy?
>
> She then proceeds with some anti-German slurs, claiming that "all but
> 3... or 5 ... of the brothels in OpenStreetMap are in Germany, the rest
> are in Amsterdam". Now this "American values are the right values"
> attitude is something I could go on about for a while (are more children
> harmed by brothels or by guns) but I'll save that for another time; I
> have counted the objects tagged amenity=brothel in OSM at the beginning
> of 2012 and found 510 in Germany and a total of 825 world-wide, so I
> don't know how she counted but apparently it wasn't all that important
> to her. Just a little harmless fun at the expense of all those German
> and Dutch perverts, right, let's all have a good laugh? At the same time
> there were 16,693 amenity=kindergarten and 51 amenity=baby_hatch mapped
> in Germany, numbers which might have served to put the whole thing into
> perspective - sadly her listeners are denied that piece of information
> which a responsibly scientist should have shared.
>
> She concludes that "OSM is dominated by male contributions" (which is
> correct) "and excludes the other 1/2" (which I'd argue with). She says:
> "Women cannot really map their local community; their local information
> is particularly excluded from this base map and from what features are
> (inaudible) in OpenStreetMap."
>
> This is a very broad, I'd almost say outrageous, claim, and not at all
> supported by the evidence she has provided, even if that evidence were
> factual.
>
> She proceeds to claim that "... all of these options for child-care,
> day-care, have failed in OpenStreetMap, continually". Again, not at all
> supported by any evidence. She again claims that "swingerclub was
> democratically approved without a single opposing vote in 2012", when
> indeed no vote on that tag has taken place, ever.
>
> So, to close this off, Ilya I think you are doing OpenStreetMap a huge
> disservice by taking a talk that is so full of false claims, so biased
> and misleading, and publicly say that "all of the points are valid".
>
> There is a valid point in that it would be desirable to achieve gender
> parity in OpenStreetMap and that this would make for better discussions,
> better results, a better map. But almost every other point made in that
> talk is at least exaggerated for effect, if not blatantly false.
>
> I'm afraid I have now wasted two hours of my life doing what Christoph
> warned of, namely heightening the visibility of Monica's work by trying
> to point out the flaws in it, and I agree it would be nice if we could
> ensure that if researches criticize OSM in the future -

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Gregory

t was meant to replace the existing amenity=kindergarten or just be
> for after-school/after-kindergarten care. A total of 9 people voted
> against the proposal; most because of this technicality, and two because
> they would have preferred amenity=social_facility.
>
> Did those 9 people vote because they "were ignorant" or "didn't care"?
> Maybe, but in my eyes the fault lies just as much with the proposal
> itself; the confusion with "kindergarten" and the question of whether
> "social_facility" would not be better didn't come from nowhere and they
> should have been addressed, the proposal refined, and brought to vote in
> a better shape.
>
> Do voters have a duty to pass a badly done proposal when it is for a
> good thing? Or are they right to shoot down a badly written proposal?
> The "post mortem" on the page says "Voters have either not grasped this,
> or have considered the fact of overlap sufficient to reject the proposal
> without taking the time to propose a proper alternative." - but is it
> the voter's responsibility to propose a proper alternative?
>
> Monica Stephens makes the proposal sound less confusing in her talk -
> she explicitly claims the proposal was for childcare for kids that are
> "not of kindergarten age", when the proposal explicitly lists "0-6" as a
> valid age example. So her listeners will not be able to understand the
> confusion.
>
> She then says "OpenStreetMap is a democratic society where people vote
> on which amenities will appear on the base map" which is, of course,
> wrong in several ways (see my a/b/c list above).
>
> In criticising the "against" voters, she picks out a few that have
> spelling mistakes and adds a prominent "[sic]" after each "refered" or
> "usefull" - something that may be scientifically correct but speaks of a
> desire to belittle these people for whom English is not their first
> language. She doesn't quote any of the "against" votes that say that the
> overlap needs to be explained, she only quotes those who believe the new
> thing is identical to kindergarten. And the correct tally of 9 "no" and
> 5 "yes" votes becomes, in her talk, "voting ended and was 15 to 4". Just
> sloppy?
>
> She then proceeds with some anti-German slurs, claiming that "all but
> 3... or 5 ... of the brothels in OpenStreetMap are in Germany, the rest
> are in Amsterdam". Now this "American values are the right values"
> attitude is something I could go on about for a while (are more children
> harmed by brothels or by guns) but I'll save that for another time; I
> have counted the objects tagged amenity=brothel in OSM at the beginning
> of 2012 and found 510 in Germany and a total of 825 world-wide, so I
> don't know how she counted but apparently it wasn't all that important
> to her. Just a little harmless fun at the expense of all those German
> and Dutch perverts, right, let's all have a good laugh? At the same time
> there were 16,693 amenity=kindergarten and 51 amenity=baby_hatch mapped
> in Germany, numbers which might have served to put the whole thing into
> perspective - sadly her listeners are denied that piece of information
> which a responsibly scientist should have shared.
>
> She concludes that "OSM is dominated by male contributions" (which is
> correct) "and excludes the other 1/2" (which I'd argue with). She says:
> "Women cannot really map their local community; their local information
> is particularly excluded from this base map and from what features are
> (inaudible) in OpenStreetMap."
>
> This is a very broad, I'd almost say outrageous, claim, and not at all
> supported by the evidence she has provided, even if that evidence were
> factual.
>
> She proceeds to claim that "... all of these options for child-care,
> day-care, have failed in OpenStreetMap, continually". Again, not at all
> supported by any evidence. She again claims that "swingerclub was
> democratically approved without a single opposing vote in 2012", when
> indeed no vote on that tag has taken place, ever.
>
> So, to close this off, Ilya I think you are doing OpenStreetMap a huge
> disservice by taking a talk that is so full of false claims, so biased
> and misleading, and publicly say that "all of the points are valid".
>
> There is a valid point in that it would be desirable to achieve gender
> parity in OpenStreetMap and that this would make for better discussions,
> better results, a better map. But almost every other point made in that
> talk is at least exaggerated for effect, if not

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Philip Barnes

On 27 July 2017 07:37:43 BST, Ilya Zverev  wrote:
>On SotM 2016 8 of 45 talks (18%) were given by women. Srravya C in her 
>talk at that SotM shows that only 7% posts in talk@ were posted by 
>women, and just around 2% — in the tagging@ mailing list. She gives a 
>few good ideas about increasing the participation of women, by the way:
>
>http://2016.stateofthemap.org/2016/is-she-a-part-of-your-community/

That was an interesting talk, I did have a chat with her afterwards and did 
learn some interesting stuff. 

I did learn a lot, but did see it as more cultural than sexism in OSM. In some 
parts of the world there is, for example a lack of female toilets and she did 
mention that she will avoid toilets not explicitly mapped as female. This level 
of mapping had never occurred to me as a European as the norm is male and 
female toilets are together so had never seen the need to add that level of 
detail. As part of the talk she did use Germany as an example of how few female 
toilets are mapped, but as with the UK it is not something that would be mapped 
explicitly unless they were separated for some reason. 

I also learned that in India men and women are separated when voting, that is 
one cultural difference that would never have occurred to me. 

She did also mention that many of the names used it was impossible to determine 
gender. In informal setting such as osm there is a tendency to use nicknames 
and the more general shortening of names to gender neutral shortforms. 

Phil (trigpoint) 
>
>As a member of the Russian community, I can confirm we have ZERO active
>
>female members.
>
>Ilya
>
>27.07.2017 03:14, Simon Poole пишет:
>> 
>> 
>> On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote:
>>> 
>>> but these people are a minority in OSM,
>> Numbers please.
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote:
> While I was dismissive of her arguments four years ago, now I see that 
> all of her points were valid, and are still valid. 

I think that it is possible for an insider of OpenStreetMap to look at
Monica's work and see some valid points in there. But try to switch off
your background knowledge and look at her work. What sticks with you is
something like (quoting from a 3rd party web site that introduces the talk):

"She looks specifically at the case of how "childcare" was not approved
as map category within OpenStreetMap."

This comes from her work massively exaggerating the issue for effect,
and being extremely sloppy with OSM background research.

Reviewing her talk, the OSM part begins with her showing group photos of
past SotM conferences claiming "these are all men". Which clearly isn't
true (you just have to zoom in on the picture). Maybe I'm putting the
bar to high by measuring this with the "science" yardstick, but it feels
wrong to me. Do you want future scientific papers to quote "according to
, no women have attended large OSM gatherings before 2013"?
Because that's what she says.

She then goes on to equate the number of different values in the
"amenity" key space with the importance of something (arguing that
because you have different amenity values for bars and pubs it is clear
that this is an important distinction); this is not tenable as just
slightly more research would have shown, there is no correlation between
the importance of something and the number of different key values in
the amenity space.

She then claims that "amenity=swingerclub" was the (1) most recently (2)
accepted (3) voted on (4) approved amenity - not a single one of the
numbered points is correct as far as I can see from the Wiki history
(but I invite readers to double check, I might have missed some page
renamings?).

Going forward, she gives listeners the impression that a successful tag
proposal was a requirement for being able to tag features, which is
plain wrong. At the very least, a non-misleading, non-sensationalist
presentation would have to mention that

(a) anyone can tag anything they find important,
(b) this *may* be influenced by editor presets (which didn't feature
swingerclubs at the time and don't now)
(c) what appears on the *map* is a different issue again, and
swingerclubs weren't on the map then and aren't now.

(As a tiny nod towards the actual subject of this thread, point "b" was
addressed in Andrew Hall'S "Wikimedia Research Showcase" presentation.)

She then goes on to discuss the amenity=childcare proposal, which had
been voted down in 2011. As you can see from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/childcare=789581
the proposal itself had been framed sloppily; it claimed to be
applicable to all age groups ("Example: 0-6") but didn't explain in how
far it was meant to replace the existing amenity=kindergarten or just be
for after-school/after-kindergarten care. A total of 9 people voted
against the proposal; most because of this technicality, and two because
they would have preferred amenity=social_facility.

Did those 9 people vote because they "were ignorant" or "didn't care"?
Maybe, but in my eyes the fault lies just as much with the proposal
itself; the confusion with "kindergarten" and the question of whether
"social_facility" would not be better didn't come from nowhere and they
should have been addressed, the proposal refined, and brought to vote in
a better shape.

Do voters have a duty to pass a badly done proposal when it is for a
good thing? Or are they right to shoot down a badly written proposal?
The "post mortem" on the page says "Voters have either not grasped this,
or have considered the fact of overlap sufficient to reject the proposal
without taking the time to propose a proper alternative." - but is it
the voter's responsibility to propose a proper alternative?

Monica Stephens makes the proposal sound less confusing in her talk -
she explicitly claims the proposal was for childcare for kids that are
"not of kindergarten age", when the proposal explicitly lists "0-6" as a
valid age example. So her listeners will not be able to understand the
confusion.

She then says "OpenStreetMap is a democratic society where people vote
on which amenities will appear on the base map" which is, of course,
wrong in several ways (see my a/b/c list above).

In criticising the "against" voters, she picks out a few that have
spelling mistakes and adds a prominent "[sic]" after each "refered" or
"usefull" - something that may be scientifically correct but speaks of a
desire to belittle these people for whom English is not their first
language. She doesn't quote any of the "against" votes that say that the
overlap needs to be explained, she only quotes those who believe the new
thing is identical to kindergarten. And the correct tally of 9 "no" and
5 "yes" votes becomes, in her talk, "voting ended and was 15 to 4".

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Simon Poole


Am 27.07.2017 um 12:02 schrieb Ilya Zverev:
> I do not have numbers for how many people in OSM are interested in which 
> facilities. If I had, that would be a great research subject, or at least a 
> topic for an interesting SotM presentation.
>
> This sub-thread, of course, is an extra illustration to the issues in our 
> community. Only numbers matter, samples are good only if they represent the 
> bias in our community, no issues here, move along.
Well I would simply rather work on addressing real issues than spending
time on invented ones. That kind of implies that you need facts, not
fairy tales.

Low gender diversity among OSM contributors is reasonably well
established, if it actually biases what is and how it is mapped, is not
(that for example would be a good research topic).

And yes it is undoubtedly true that having a childcare preset in JOSM
(as the only editor with larger use without one) would be nice, but that
is the decision of a single developer not a bias of the whole community
(naturally most JOSM users are capable of typing the tag in without a
preset in any case). The delineation issues are naturally not resolved
by having a preset, that is however a problem of the subject matter, not
a question of lack of interest.

Simon
 
>
> Ilya
>
>> 27 июля 2017 г., в 10:57, Simon Poole  написал(а):
>>
>> You claimed that a minority of OSM contributors were interested in
>> childcare facilities and, implied that a majority is interested in
>> brothels.
>>
>> Again: numbers please.
>>
>> PS: you do illustrate an interesting point wrt the research we are
>> discussing here, one would expect an unbiased sample of OSM contributors
>> of size 15 to contain zero non-male and zero HOT members obviously the
>> composition of the interviewees was rather different.
>>
>>
>> Am 27.07.2017 um 08:37 schrieb Ilya Zverev:
>>> On SotM 2016 8 of 45 talks (18%) were given by women. Srravya C in her
>>> talk at that SotM shows that only 7% posts in talk@ were posted by
>>> women, and just around 2% — in the tagging@ mailing list. She gives a
>>> few good ideas about increasing the participation of women, by the way:
>>>
>>> http://2016.stateofthemap.org/2016/is-she-a-part-of-your-community/
>>>
>>> As a member of the Russian community, I can confirm we have ZERO
>>> active female members.
>>>
>>> Ilya
>>>
>>> 27.07.2017 03:14, Simon Poole пишет:

 On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote:
> 
> but these people are a minority in OSM,
 Numbers please.

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Simon Poole

The Wikipedia article on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_sampling

It would just seem to be far too easy for advocacy groups to hijack even
a well intentioned selection, which is what I suspect we are seeing
here. Instead of getting a diversity of viewpoints we are simply getting
one, that will then in turn be referenced by the same groups as a result
of "research".

Simon


On 27.07.2017 10:06, Dan S wrote:
> 2017-07-27 8:57 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole :
>> PS: you do illustrate an interesting point wrt the research we are
>> discussing here, one would expect an unbiased sample of OSM contributors
>> of size 15 to contain zero non-male and zero HOT members obviously the
>> composition of the interviewees was rather different.
> A uniform random sample is not really relevant in small-numbers
> sociological research. This is "snowball sampling" which is a very
> problematic form of sampling, but one thing it definitely does not
> claim is to be a balanced random sample. A social researcher using
> snowball sampling to find a small number of interviewees knows full
> well they aren't gathering a statistically random sample, and one
> hopes that this researcher tried to find a diversity of viewpoints for
> his interviews (I don't know). He could, for example, have
> deliberately designed his sample to have almost-equal numbers of men
> and women.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Per discussione Ilya Zverev

On SotM 2016 8 of 45 talks (18%) were given by women. Srravya C in her 
talk at that SotM shows that only 7% posts in talk@ were posted by 
women, and just around 2% — in the tagging@ mailing list. She gives a 
few good ideas about increasing the participation of women, by the way:


http://2016.stateofthemap.org/2016/is-she-a-part-of-your-community/

As a member of the Russian community, I can confirm we have ZERO active 
female members.


Ilya

27.07.2017 03:14, Simon Poole пишет:



On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote:


but these people are a minority in OSM,

Numbers please.

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Per discussione Simon Poole



On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote:
> 
> but these people are a minority in OSM,
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Per discussione Ilya Zverev

I have just went and rewatched the recording of Monica's 11-minute talk. 
While I was dismissive of her arguments four years ago, now I see that 
all of her points were valid, and are still valid. We have done nothing 
wrt diversity in our project. HOT did something, some local communities 
did (e.g. GeoChicas), but OpenStreetMap in general is still white, male 
and disregarding of any external point of view.


The tagging issue Monica raised was more about the proposal process in 
general, and most of us (I hope) have known it to be highly flawed. But 
the case with the childcare was telling: not only voters did not know 
what childcare was, they did not care. Significantly more people in the 
world find childcare facilities and the distinction between childcares, 
kindergartens and whatever more important that swinger clubs and 
brothels, but these people are a minority in OSM, and since we have 
meritocracy slash democracy (none of that actually, but that's often 
heard), that means minorities are not effecting OSM.


Sadly, I have no idea how to fix this. Dave's reply shows we are still a 
long way from being a diverse community where all opinions are heard and 
not dismissed.


Ilya


26.07.2017 23:02, Frederik Ramm пишет:

Hi,

>
... 


* Sadly the talk included the usual drive-by accusations of sexism in
OSM. It said, and I am not making this up: "There has been some work by
Monica Stephens that has discussed how new tag proposals for feminized
or (inaudible) spaces are given less, quote, attention" (this is
referring to a very badly researched 2013 article that essentially
contrsated took low vote outcome on a childcare tagging proposal with
brothels and swinger cluby in OSM to brand OSM sexist), and then went on
"also, one of our interviewees mentioned that she had, quote, heard of
women not being listened to or respected". -- What he's doing here is
quoting an anonymous source that is quoting an anonymous source that
says something about OSM, and that is good enough to make a sexism claim.

The whole talk did, it seems to me, slightly overrate the importance of
tagging discussions (they claimed to have interviewed 15 people but it
is unclear how they selected those 15), and therefore the discussion
that ensued was mostly around the question "how can we make sure that
everyone has a say in tagging discussions".

There seemed to be an underlying assumption that binding votes on
tagging, or at least a well-defined process to standardize and maintain
the global tagging ontology, was necessary (and not least, all those
autocratic editor writes need to submit to the community vote and not
invoke privilege to create presets that others must then follow).

I wouldn't say this has given me any new insights or ideas for the
future, but it is an interesting study in how (relative) outsiders
approach OSM.

I think we as a project really need to publish a more through, and more
visible, takedown on that 2013 Monica Stephens article though. At the
time I thought "oh well, bad research comes and goes, no need to start a
fight every time a researcher writes something wrong about OSM", but
that one seems to be found, believed in, and quoted by other researchers
just too much.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 07/26/2017 07:45 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> I've just learned that this week's Wikimedia Research Showcase,
> streamed online TONIGHT at 7.30pm UK time, will focus on structured
> data in OpenStreetMap. Details below.

Thank you for the link, apparently it can still be watched after:

> YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1jgK8C8aQ

I think the research bit was generally ok, albeit it didn't really
follow Muki Hakalay's "code of engagement" for scientists with OSM (
https://povesham.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/observing-from-afar-or-joining-the-action-osm-and-giscience-research/).

I took issue with a few items.

* The talk seemed to assume that the listener knows what "Dairy Queen"
or "Panera Bread" are ;)

* The talk seemed to try very hard to say OSM had "western standards" or
"UK cultural assumptions" but I felt that was very un-convincing on the
whole; it even showed two very differently built roads of the same
tagging in the US and Africa which to me seemed to prove the point that
things work ok - we don't demand that a road in Africa must be built to
the same standards as one in America to be a "primary" or whatever.

* The talk clearly had a HOT bias; towards the end there was even a
slide that tried to discuss "whose new ideas can influence the
standard", and it listed these four bullet points: "HOT", "Men",
"Hostile contributors", and "Code creators" (who, as discussed earlier,
had the power to limit the freedom of others).

* Sadly the talk included the usual drive-by accusations of sexism in
OSM. It said, and I am not making this up: "There has been some work by
Monica Stephens that has discussed how new tag proposals for feminized
or (inaudible) spaces are given less, quote, attention" (this is
referring to a very badly researched 2013 article that essentially
contrsated took low vote outcome on a childcare tagging proposal with
brothels and swinger cluby in OSM to brand OSM sexist), and then went on
"also, one of our interviewees mentioned that she had, quote, heard of
women not being listened to or respected". -- What he's doing here is
quoting an anonymous source that is quoting an anonymous source that
says something about OSM, and that is good enough to make a sexism claim.

The whole talk did, it seems to me, slightly overrate the importance of
tagging discussions (they claimed to have interviewed 15 people but it
is unclear how they selected those 15), and therefore the discussion
that ensued was mostly around the question "how can we make sure that
everyone has a say in tagging discussions".

There seemed to be an underlying assumption that binding votes on
tagging, or at least a well-defined process to standardize and maintain
the global tagging ontology, was necessary (and not least, all those
autocratic editor writes need to submit to the community vote and not
invoke privilege to create presets that others must then follow).

I wouldn't say this has given me any new insights or ideas for the
future, but it is an interesting study in how (relative) outsiders
approach OSM.

I think we as a project really need to publish a more through, and more
visible, takedown on that 2013 Monica Stephens article though. At the
time I thought "oh well, bad research comes and goes, no need to start a
fight every time a researcher writes something wrong about OSM", but
that one seems to be found, believed in, and quoted by other researchers
just too much.

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-GB] OSMF is looking for a UK accountant

2017-05-02 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Just posted the below to osmf-talk but I want to cast the net a little
wider!

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Subject: [Osmf-talk] OSMF is looking for an UK accountant
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 23:39:42 +0200
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To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org <osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org>

Hi,

   our current accountant - of whom we are meanwhile the sole remaining
client - is going to retire at the end of this business year. So we're
looking for a replacement!

The plan is for her to still do the year end reporting for this business
year which will happen in mid-2018, but the regular 2018 business year
should already start with the new accountant.

As you know if you read my financial reporting, we're spending roughly
£5000 per year on accounting. The accountant's tasks currently include:

* process bank statements and paypal statements every month and match
them up with invoices and paperwork that I will (should) have provided

* write invoices when requested (about 20-30 per year)

* prepare quarterly P and balance sheet reporting for the members

* prepare year-end financial report for members and submit tax return to
the authorities; this includes keeping an asset register and computing
depreciation charges

* generally ensure that we stay abreast of UK tax regulations

Someone potentially interested in the job might also want to know

* we're not VAT registered

* we're a not-for-profit company which is limited by guarantee

* we're not a charity but we might consider becoming one in the future;
if the accountant has experience in working with charities that would be
welcome but having no such experience would not be a hindrance

* we're meanwhile doing more transactions in EUR than in GBP (and
there's a sprinkling of USD in the mix too). While everything needs to
be converted to GBP ultimately for the UK taxman, I'm not sure if our
internal reporting should maybe switch to EUR. To be discussed.

We currently use a SAGE 50 professional software package but we don't
mind if the new accountant were to use something else, provided it can
cope with multi-currency bank accounts. Ideally the accontant would be
using an Internet based accounting system that would allow e.g the OSMF
treasurer to log into the system and view reports and statistics without
having to bother the accountant with it.

Our current accountant is a small one-person business and this worked
rather well; we'd be more than happy to work with an independent tax
accountant again, but using a larger firm is also possible.

I am writing this in the hope that someone here might be, or know, an
accountant interested in taking us on as a client. I'm happy to discuss
details of our requirements and workflow with interested candidates.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [talk-latam] OSMF Fee waiver programme

2016-10-04 Per discussione Johnattan Rupire

Hola,
suena interesante, voy a ver qué es y si es posible que desde Perú hagamos 
alguna cosa.
Saludos


El 4 de octubre de 2016 7:33:11 PM GMT-05:00, Wille <wi...@wille.blog.br> 
escribió:
>Gracias, Joost!
>
>Yo ya soy miembro de la Fundación, así necesitamos de alguien para 
>intentar este camino.
>
>
>On 04-10-2016 11:51, joost schouppe wrote:
>> Hablé sobre el tema con Simon Poole, y el sugerio de que alguien 
>> simplemente haga el intento de ser parte de este programa. La haria 
>> menos teoretico :)
>>
>> 2016-10-04 14:42 GMT+02:00 Wille <wi...@wille.blog.br 
>> <mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br>>:
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> En 2014, la OSM Foundation aprobó un programa para que personas
>> que tengan dificultad de pagar la taja anual puedan ser miembros
>> de la fundación de manera gratuita, pero esto nunca ha sido
>> implementado. Sugerí que esto sea implementado, pero es necesario
>> que alguien haga parte del "Membership Working Group" para ayudar
>> ayudar a definir las reglas del programa:
>>
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-October/003949.html
>>
><https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-October/003949.html>
>>
>> Actualmente no tengo tiempo disponible para esta tarea, caso
>> alguien esté dispuesto, escribe para m...@osmfoundation.org
>> <mailto:m...@osmfoundation.org> y diga que tiene interés en ayudar
>> el grupo.
>>
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Re: [talk-latam] OSMF Fee waiver programme

2016-10-04 Per discussione Wille


Gracias, Joost!

Yo ya soy miembro de la Fundación, así necesitamos de alguien para 
intentar este camino.



On 04-10-2016 11:51, joost schouppe wrote:
Hablé sobre el tema con Simon Poole, y el sugerio de que alguien 
simplemente haga el intento de ser parte de este programa. La haria 
menos teoretico :)


2016-10-04 14:42 GMT+02:00 Wille <wi...@wille.blog.br 
<mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br>>:


Hola,

En 2014, la OSM Foundation aprobó un programa para que personas
que tengan dificultad de pagar la taja anual puedan ser miembros
de la fundación de manera gratuita, pero esto nunca ha sido
implementado. Sugerí que esto sea implementado, pero es necesario
que alguien haga parte del "Membership Working Group" para ayudar
ayudar a definir las reglas del programa:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-October/003949.html

<https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2016-October/003949.html>

Actualmente no tengo tiempo disponible para esta tarea, caso
alguien esté dispuesto, escribe para m...@osmfoundation.org
<mailto:m...@osmfoundation.org> y diga que tiene interés en ayudar
el grupo.

wille


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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne

2016-10-01 Per discussione Tobias

On Donnerstag, 29. September 2016 22:27:58 CEST Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 09/29/2016 10:01 PM, Tobias wrote:
> > Gibt es denn einen besonderen Anlass? Gerade jetzt zu spenden? Wird das
> > geld akut für etwas benötigt???
> 
> Ich habe ein geschätztes Budget für 2017 aufgestellt - also wieviel wir
> wofür ausgeben werden und wieviel wir einnehmen - und da kam unten raus,
> dass wir ungefähr 70.000 EUR mehr ausgeben werden als wir (ohne
> Spendenkampagne) einnehmen. Das war der Auslöser für diese Aktion.
> 
> Die Haupt-Kostenstellen sind "Operations" (also Server) und "Legal"
> (Markenrechte und Rechtsbeistand in Lizenz- und anderen Fragen), aber
> wir haben auch Kosten für Steuerberater, Versicherung, Vorstandsarbeit
> und neuerdings eine freiberufliche "Verwaltungskraft" ("admin help"),
> die 1,5 Tage pro Woche für uns tätig ist.
> 
> Früher hat die SOTM immer genug Überschuss eingespielt, um die laufenden
> Kosten der Organisation zu decken. Das ist aber jetzt nicht mehr der
> Fall; wir können froh sein, wenn die SOTM eine schwarze Null schreibt.
> Auf lange Sicht hoffen wir, mit unserer neuen "Firmen-Mitgliedschaft",
> bei der Firmen zwischen 500 und 20.000 EUR im Jahr zahlen, finanziell
> wieder sorglos dazustehen, aber im Augenblick sind wir in einer
> Situation, in der die Einnahmen aus Mitgliedschaft noch nicht reichen.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik

das erhöt doch gleich die Bereitschaft :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne

2016-09-29 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 09/29/2016 10:01 PM, Tobias wrote:
> Gibt es denn einen besonderen Anlass? Gerade jetzt zu spenden? Wird das
> geld akut für etwas benötigt??? 

Ich habe ein geschätztes Budget für 2017 aufgestellt - also wieviel wir
wofür ausgeben werden und wieviel wir einnehmen - und da kam unten raus,
dass wir ungefähr 70.000 EUR mehr ausgeben werden als wir (ohne
Spendenkampagne) einnehmen. Das war der Auslöser für diese Aktion.

Die Haupt-Kostenstellen sind "Operations" (also Server) und "Legal"
(Markenrechte und Rechtsbeistand in Lizenz- und anderen Fragen), aber
wir haben auch Kosten für Steuerberater, Versicherung, Vorstandsarbeit
und neuerdings eine freiberufliche "Verwaltungskraft" ("admin help"),
die 1,5 Tage pro Woche für uns tätig ist.

Früher hat die SOTM immer genug Überschuss eingespielt, um die laufenden
Kosten der Organisation zu decken. Das ist aber jetzt nicht mehr der
Fall; wir können froh sein, wenn die SOTM eine schwarze Null schreibt.
Auf lange Sicht hoffen wir, mit unserer neuen "Firmen-Mitgliedschaft",
bei der Firmen zwischen 500 und 20.000 EUR im Jahr zahlen, finanziell
wieder sorglos dazustehen, aber im Augenblick sind wir in einer
Situation, in der die Einnahmen aus Mitgliedschaft noch nicht reichen.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne

2016-09-29 Per discussione Tobias


Hi,

Gibt es denn einen besonderen Anlass? Gerade jetzt zu spenden? Wird  
das geld akut für etwas benötigt??? 


Gruß und Dank 
Tobi

  Originalnachricht  
Von: Frederik Ramm
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. September 2016 10:06
An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
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Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne


Hallo,

   Mist, jetzt hab ich das wichtigste vergessen. Der FOSSGIS hat
erklärt, dass er alle als OpenStreetMap-Spenden markierten Geldeingänge
während der Laufzeit der Spendenkampagne an die OSMF weiterreichen wird.
Das heisst, ihr könnt auch an einen deutschen gemeinnützigen e.V. mit
deutschem Bankkonto spenden (Bankverbindung siehe
https://www.fossgis.de/) und so die OSMF unterstützen.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne

2016-09-29 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

   Mist, jetzt hab ich das wichtigste vergessen. Der FOSSGIS hat
erklärt, dass er alle als OpenStreetMap-Spenden markierten Geldeingänge
während der Laufzeit der Spendenkampagne an die OSMF weiterreichen wird.
Das heisst, ihr könnt auch an einen deutschen gemeinnützigen e.V. mit
deutschem Bankkonto spenden (Bankverbindung siehe
https://www.fossgis.de/) und so die OSMF unterstützen.

Bye
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[Talk-de] OSMF-Spendenkampagne

2016-09-29 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

   die meisten von Euch haben es sicher schon in der Wochennotiz oder im
Blog gesehen, dennoch will ich hier noch einmal persönlich für die
OSMF-Spendenkampagne werben, die wir auf der "State of the Map"
gestartet haben (donate.openstreetmap.org).

Viele Mapper und Leute, denen OSM am Herzen liegt, haben sich schon
beteiligt. Wir versuchen diesmal aber besonders, auch diejenigen
OSM-Nutzer zu erreichen, die nicht unbedingt zum Kern unserer Community
dazugehören, sondern die "nur" Nutzer von OSM sind.

Wenn ihr Leute kennt, die OSM-Daten regelmäßig nutzen, fragt die doch
auch, ob für sie eine kleine Spende in Frage kommt! Wenn ihr OSM-Daten
in irgendeiner Form weiterverteilt: Könnt ihr vielleicht Eure Nutzer mit
einem kleinen Werbebanner über die Spendenkampagne informieren (so wie
ich das z.B. auf download.geofabrik.de gemacht habe)?

Vielen Dank für Eure Hilfe.

Bye
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[Talk-GB] OSMF looking for a part-time administrative assistant

2016-05-12 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

   the OSMF would like to hire someone for part-time (max 2 days/week)
work, helping with administrative tasks. Please see the detailed job
posting here on the Wiki:

http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Administrative_Assistant

Since we're an UK organisation, having someone in the UK would probably
be useful in many regards although we haven't made that a condition.
Needless to say, prior OSM involvement is also a plus.

If you are interested, or know someone who is, please apply (or tell
them to apply) until June 03, to the address given in the above wiki post.

Bye
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[Talk-de] OSMF sucht bezahlte Kraft für Verwaltungsarbeiten

2016-05-12 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

(Crossposting talk-at und talk-de, bei eventuellen Antworten bitte
geeignet anpassen.)

Hallo,

   die OSMF möchte gern eine Person in Teilzeit beschäftigen, die bei
allfälligen Verwaltungstätigkeiten und Organisationsaufgaben hilft. Auf
Englisch heisst das "admnistrative assistant", im Deutschen denkt man
dabei immer gleich an "Sysadmin", das ist aber nicht gemeint - die
Person wird mehr mit Menschen zu tun haben als mit Computern. Die
Arbeitszeit soll maximal 2 Tage pro Woche betragen; wie genau das
Beschäftigungsverhältnis gestaltet wird (Anstellung, freiberuflich, auf
Rechnung...) ist dabei durchaus Verhandlungssache.

Es würde uns natürlich besonders freuen, wenn wir jemanden fänden, der
sowieso schon bei OSM dabei ist oder dem Projekt nahe steht. Also
erzählt es weiter ;)

Die detaillierte "Job-Beschreibung" ist hier im Wiki:

http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Administrative_Assistant

Bewerbungen werden bis zum 3.6. erbeten.

Bye
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[Talk-at] OSMF sucht bezahlte Kraft für Verwaltungsarbeiten

2016-05-12 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

(Crossposting talk-at und talk-de, bei eventuellen Antworten bitte
geeignet anpassen.)

Hallo,

   die OSMF möchte gern eine Person in Teilzeit beschäftigen, die bei
allfälligen Verwaltungstätigkeiten und Organisationsaufgaben hilft. Auf
Englisch heisst das "admnistrative assistant", im Deutschen denkt man
dabei immer gleich an "Sysadmin", das ist aber nicht gemeint - die
Person wird mehr mit Menschen zu tun haben als mit Computern. Die
Arbeitszeit soll maximal 2 Tage pro Woche betragen; wie genau das
Beschäftigungsverhältnis gestaltet wird (Anstellung, freiberuflich, auf
Rechnung...) ist dabei durchaus Verhandlungssache.

Es würde uns natürlich besonders freuen, wenn wir jemanden fänden, der
sowieso schon bei OSM dabei ist oder dem Projekt nahe steht. Also
erzählt es weiter ;)

Die detaillierte "Job-Beschreibung" ist hier im Wiki:

http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Administrative_Assistant

Bewerbungen werden bis zum 3.6. erbeten.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-12-04 Per discussione Paul Norman


On 12/2/2015 2:12 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:
It also happens that I have stopped renewing my membership to the OSMF 
after an election where a candidate was excluded from the vote because 
his views on a controversial subject (related to license change) were 
strongly different from those of the majority of the previous Board. 
Note that Mr. Maron was already a member of this outgoing Board, that 
had a conception of basic democracy different from mine, according to 
which it should have been up to the voters not to vote for a candidate 
if they didn't agree with his views. So, anyway, I cannot write to 
that list.


Although I wasn't on the board at the time, I was around then, and the 
situation was a bit different.


In 2012 two people tried to run for board without being members (i.e. 
they couldn't), and then someone tried to pay or register for their 
membership on their behalf. The board at the time rejected their 
application.


I can't find any minutes from the time and can't speak to the views of 
the board at the time, but there was a view that the person attempting 
to pay was doing it solely to cause problems.


The board at the time was Steve Coast, Henk, Oliver, Mikel, Matt Amos, 
Dermot, and Richard Fairhurst.


I didn't know the background on one of the individuals, but I'd have 
rather seen the other become a member the normal way (paying 
themselves), run for board, and lose.


Under the AoA the board cannot stop a member from running in a board 
election, and a member can only be removed for a small number of 
reasons, and they have a right of appeal to the next general meeting. 
There are also provisions under the Companies' Act for OSMF members to 
remove board members.


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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-12-04 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer



sent from a phone

Am 04.12.2015 um 10:58 schrieb Paul Norman :

>> this outgoing Board, that had a conception of basic democracy different from 
>> mine, 
> 
> I didn't know the background on one of the individuals, but I'd have rather 
> seen the other become a member the normal way (paying themselves), run for 
> board, and lose.


+1, to both, I also thought it had left some bitter taste to stop these 
candidacies top down rather than give confidence to the voters.

cheers 
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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-12-03 Per discussione Mateusz Konieczny

On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 23:12:22 +0100
Jean-Guilhem Cailton  wrote:

> - Rejection of public lies : Several communications of HOT US Inc.,
> both internal and external, are in contradiction with facts. They
> sometimes combine with the next item, ...

Maybe I missed it but see absolutely no evidence for that claims in
your message. Is it maybe present somewhere and I missed it?

Making heavy accusations and providing no evidence is a poor
combination.

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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-12-02 Per discussione Jean-Guilhem Cailton

Le 25/11/2015 13:10, Dave F. a écrit :
> How do you perceive these "dangers" will manifest themselves?
>
> Dave F.
>


Dear OpenStreetMap Community members,

Let me first apologize for writing about topics that usually do not need
to be considered by those who only care about improving this wonderful
common good that is OpenStreetMap. Unfortunately, it has become
necessary because there seems to be a potentially serious threat on what
OpenStreetMap is and will be.

Some might consider this issue to be more specifically appropriate for
the OSMF-talk list, as those with a right to vote on the current
election must be there. However, it is not of concern only to the
registered members of the OSM Foundation, as it might end up impacting
the whole of OSM. It also happens that I have stopped renewing my
membership to the OSMF after an election where a candidate was excluded
from the vote because his views on a controversial subject (related to
license change) were strongly different from those of the majority of
the previous Board. Note that Mr. Maron was already a member of this
outgoing Board, that had a conception of basic democracy different from
mine, according to which it should have been up to the voters not to
vote for a candidate if they didn't agree with his views. So, anyway, I
cannot write to that list.

A recent exchange with some mappers not familiar with what goes on in
HOT US Inc., as well as some of the emails I read on the osmf-talk web
archive, have made me aware that it could be useful to summarize how I
view it after being involved in many crisis activations since Haiti 2010
earthquake, before HOT US Inc. or the h...@openstreetmap.org mailing list
even existed. This might also be seen as another attempt to answer
Frederik's question on osmf-talk : “What should OSMF *not* learn from
HOT?” (Even though I see now that Rod has answered that quite well).

In short, it seems that HOT US Inc., besides its officially started
purpose, and certainly because it views these secondary purposes as
necessary to accomplish it, aims to collect money from donors willing to
support the « humanitarian » use of OSM, and exercise control over the
ways people contribute to these uses. Its reality in practice is thus in
direct opposition to the « support – not control - OSM » motto of the OSMF.


A lesson I remember from my high school philosophy teacher is that you
shouldn't judge a foreign culture based on your values, but on its own.
If I try to apply this guide to HOT US Inc., based on what I think I
know of some US values, that some might even be tempted to consider
universal, or at least broadly admired and shared, here is what I find :

- Democracy : Voting members of HOT US are selected through a strict
cooptation mechanism, with constraints sufficient to ensure that the
initial members keep their dominating influence. This can also be
observed in the result of the votes. Yet some leaders of HOT US
sometimes present themselves as legitimate representatives of the
broader community of OSM/HOT contributors, which is false by construction.

- Free speech : As you probably know, this is protected by the First
Amendment to the US Constitution. Yet in several current cases, it
appears that prominent and legally responsible members of HOT US Inc.
consider that some provisions of the « HOT Code of Conduct » should
prevail on this US constitutional right. You may also have noticed that
I've been submitted to a priori moderation on the h...@openstreetmap.org
mailing list, without notification, and without justification by at
least an example of an inappropriate email, when I became aware of it
and asked for a reason. So the most likely explanation is that Mr. Maron
(who had silently setup this moderation) must have been afraid that I
could ask questions about his conflicts of interest or the cronyism
around him, as I had done on an internal list before. As he is also
moderator of several of the most important OSM mailing lists, including
this “talk” list, this example of abusing of his moderator role to
protect his personal interest could be already in itself worrying to all
those in the OSM community who think that the possibility to exchange
views freely is necessary in a sound community, as now everyone would
have to worry about exposing oneself to such a measure before writing to
the lists.

- Rejection of public lies : Several communications of HOT US Inc., both
internal and external, are in contradiction with facts. They sometimes
combine with the next item, ...

- Prohibition of theft : … to take undeserved ownership and credit on
things done by others (and in particular numerous voluntary mappers
around the World – most of them in non-English speaking parts, or, for
examples on more specific points, what was done with humanitarian
drones, or some satellite imagery to support disaster mapping), and
present them as if they were HOT US's, to justify asking for undue
recognition or f

Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-28 Per discussione Joseph Reeves

Your understanding of new member admission is correct, however, these
decisions are made by majority vote, so I still have little individual say.
The problem we face in HOT on this issue is getting enough members to
approve new intakes rather than the actions of individuals.

I still fail to see how HOT members could subvert the OSMF, but perhaps I
lack imagination.

Cheers, Joseph
On 28 Nov 2015 12:11, "Christoph Hormann"  wrote:

> On Saturday 28 November 2015, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> >5. I have no decision making powers within HOT - I am a member
> > just as I am an OSMF Member
>
> It seems to me this is not quite correct although - since the work of
> the HOT members is not in public - i cannot really say for sure.
>
> In addition to the right (and in case of HOT apparently the obligation)
> to vote for the board you also have the right - together with your
> fellow members - to decide who becomes a member.  To me this seems a
> quite fundamental difference to the OSMF.
>
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2015-11-28 Per discussione Christoph Hormann

On Saturday 28 November 2015, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>5. I have no decision making powers within HOT - I am a member
> just as I am an OSMF Member

It seems to me this is not quite correct although - since the work of 
the HOT members is not in public - i cannot really say for sure.

In addition to the right (and in case of HOT apparently the obligation) 
to vote for the board you also have the right - together with your 
fellow members - to decide who becomes a member.  To me this seems a 
quite fundamental difference to the OSMF.

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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-28 Per discussione Christoph Hormann

On Saturday 28 November 2015, Tom Taylor wrote:
> [...]
>
> As a naive lurker on the lists, I took the announced candidacies at
> face value. That is, committed individuals decided individually to
> run for office. I agree that if all of them got elected, HOT would
> dominate the Board, but that is surely not a foregone conclusion. But
> do you really have evidence of a HOT conspiracy as opposed to a set
> of committed individuals?

Within the general OSM community it is probably not a widespread 
assumption that there is a cabal within HOT that pulls the strings 
behind the curtains - although there are events where you can get this 
idea - like when several people from HOT suddenly turn up in a 
discussion all representing the same standpoint.  But many mappers 
notice that people engaged with HOT often share certain views and 
approaches to things that are less common among other mappers.  You can 
see this to some extent in the answers to the questions for the OSMF 
board candidates.

So when people have reservations w.r.t. board candidates with a HOT 
background this does not necessarily mean they have a problem with the 
HOT project or its organization or its influence on the OSMF.  It could 
simply be they have reservations regarding the views shared by those 
people which could well be the same views that also motivated them for 
participating in HOT.

> I note the references to Kate Chapman as representative of HOT. She
> is no longer executive director there.

This probably deserves some clarification:  In contrast to the OSMF 
where everyone able to spend the membership fee can become member 
membership of the HOT origanization is restricted, the current members 
vote who can become a new member.  See

https://hotosm.org/voting-members

Also in contrast to the OSMF activities of the HOT membership are not 
generally public (feel free to correct me if i am wrong here).  Also 
HOT members have certain obligations of contributing to HOT activities 
as outlined on

https://hotosm.org/sites/default/files/HOT_Membership_Code.pdf

According to the available information Kate is a member of HOT - so are 
several candidates for the OSMF board:

Mikel Maron
Joseph Reeves
Yantisa Akhadi

Other candidates are active in HOT to some extent (like participating in 
HOT mapping tasks) but are not members of the HOT organization.

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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-28 Per discussione Joseph Reeves

Dear all,

I've enjoyed reading these emails this week, but have stayed out of the
discussion. I just wanted to clarify some quick points:


   1. I have not discussed my running for the OSMF Board with any other
   candidates
   2. I have not discussed my running for the OSMF Board with the HOT
   group. I did sent an email to the listserv [0] but got no feedback other
   than the suggestion that I send it to the public HOT list after initially
   only sending it to the Members' list
   3. I am not convinced that the answered questions uncover any HOT
   colluding
   4. I view my HOT Membership as the recognition that I previously have
   made a commitment / contribution to HOT
   5. I have no decision making powers within HOT - I am a member just as I
   am an OSMF Member
   6. I am not a member of a secret society that controls HOT from the
   shadows. I don't think such a thing exists, although I would check that
   there have been no pizza vans parked outside the OSMF HQ for a suspiciously
   long time

I look forward to the ongoing election process and am genuinely excited
about the next OSMF Board term. Hopefully I can be a part of it!

Thanks, Joseph


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On 28 November 2015 at 10:32, Christoph Hormann 
wrote:

> On Saturday 28 November 2015, Tom Taylor wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > As a naive lurker on the lists, I took the announced candidacies at
> > face value. That is, committed individuals decided individually to
> > run for office. I agree that if all of them got elected, HOT would
> > dominate the Board, but that is surely not a foregone conclusion. But
> > do you really have evidence of a HOT conspiracy as opposed to a set
> > of committed individuals?
>
> Within the general OSM community it is probably not a widespread
> assumption that there is a cabal within HOT that pulls the strings
> behind the curtains - although there are events where you can get this
> idea - like when several people from HOT suddenly turn up in a
> discussion all representing the same standpoint.  But many mappers
> notice that people engaged with HOT often share certain views and
> approaches to things that are less common among other mappers.  You can
> see this to some extent in the answers to the questions for the OSMF
> board candidates.
>
> So when people have reservations w.r.t. board candidates with a HOT
> background this does not necessarily mean they have a problem with the
> HOT project or its organization or its influence on the OSMF.  It could
> simply be they have reservations regarding the views shared by those
> people which could well be the same views that also motivated them for
> participating in HOT.
>
> > I note the references to Kate Chapman as representative of HOT. She
> > is no longer executive director there.
>
> This probably deserves some clarification:  In contrast to the OSMF
> where everyone able to spend the membership fee can become member
> membership of the HOT origanization is restricted, the current members
> vote who can become a new member.  See
>
> https://hotosm.org/voting-members
>
> Also in contrast to the OSMF activities of the HOT membership are not
> generally public (feel free to correct me if i am wrong here).  Also
> HOT members have certain obligations of contributing to HOT activities
> as outlined on
>
> https://hotosm.org/sites/default/files/HOT_Membership_Code.pdf
>
> According to the available information Kate is a member of HOT - so are
> several candidates for the OSMF board:
>
> Mikel Maron
> Joseph Reeves
> Yantisa Akhadi
>
> Other candidates are active in HOT to some extent (like participating in
> HOT mapping tasks) but are not members of the HOT organization.
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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-27 Per discussione augustindoury

- Sorry if you receive this email twice, internet connection from Togo
is uncertain tonight -

Hi Dave,

Your question is not adressed to me but I'd like to give my opinion here.

My name is Augustin Doury, I've been active in OpenStreetMap since end
2012 as a daily commitment to sustain the growth of OSM communities in
West Africa, especially on the field in Senegal where I've been a HOT
volunteer for 5 months and last year as a Projet Espace OpenStreetMap
Francophone volunteer in Burkina Faso for 1 year, plus missions in Ivory
Coast (volunteer) and Togo (paid). I'm a HOT US Inc member since 2013.

Because I've seen what HOT became this last 3 years, I don't want to see
OSM project suffering the same problems as the HOT project.

As others, I think that HOT is a project about using OSM in humanitarian
and development fields, and as any open/free project, everybody should
be able to choose his/her approach within the HOT concept but what
occurs now is that choices are more and more restricted, less choices
for individuals and collectives.
Because HOT US Inc, with its specific vision, has almost monopolized the
HOT project in terms of communication (the logo, the communication
channels, the lists, the story/reputation, the Tasking Manager, the HOT
Exports  ...), I fear that a position at the OSMF board reinforce its
influence.

During the two pasts HOT US Inc elections, I tried as others to give
this point of view and advocate for the definition of a HOT Project with
a HOT Charter and HOT Commons that any individual or organization could
concur with and even officially join and/or fund, as explained by
Severin Menard on his diary [1]. It's for us, in our diversity, the good
way to maintain diversity in the HOT Project, respecting minorities.
I've seen how the HOT US board rejected this approach, saying that there
is not HOT US Inc, there is just HOT and HOT US Inc is HOT and should
not be called « US Inc » because it creates dividness within the HOT
community. I've seen the level of violence some HOT US Inc people were
able to trigger to close the debate without respect for those who work
hard everyday, especially from the field, for making what the HOT
project is now.

The concept of attribution is essential in the OSM project and I feel
like HOT US Inc, by its communication hegemony, benefits from the work
of numerous volunteers from South and North who give their time for the
HOT/OSM project, not for a NGO (which is nowadays in an active
fundraising campain).

I would not like to see this logic implements in OSMF. And simply I do
not understand the aim of the candidates from HOT US Inc to get more
seats at the OSMF board when Kate Chapman is already a board member.
In my opinion, HOT US Inc should not get more than one seat to let the 6
other seats to people who represent other aspects from the OSM ecoystem.

Have a good night and vote,

Augustin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846

On 25/11/2015 12:10, Dave F. wrote:
> How do you perceive these "dangers" will manifest themselves?
>
> Dave F.
>
> On 24/11/2015 23:01, nicolas chavent wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Apologies for crosspostings, resending to talk an email sent to
>> osmf-talk about the HOT US Inc presence at the Board of the OSMF.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>> Dear OSMF voting members and mappers,
>>
>> This short note (also published in my diary [1]) to draw your
>> attention on the danger for OSMF (and the OSM project) in the case the
>> United States NGO "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US Inc" (aka HOT US
>> Inc) got a majority at the OSMF Board after this 2015 election.
>>
>> Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi, all members of the NGO
>> HOT US Inc, are running for the OSMF Board [2]; Kate Chapman, the
>> former ED of HOT US Inc serves already as Board Officer in OSMF.
>>
>> Shall Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi be elected, HOT US
>> Inc will get a majority at the Board of the Foundation.
>> This will provide a single organization of the OSM ecosystem (HOT US
>> Inc) with an unprecedented and excessive power of influence over the
>> Foundation.
>>
>> This running of three candidates from the same organization is
>> puzzling and troublesome when one considers that HOT US Inc (and
>> therefore its perspective around OpenStreetMap) is already represented
>> at the OSMF Board since Sept 2013. Why extending its presence and
>> influence and consequently diminishing the OSM diversity represented
>> at the OSMF Board?
>>
>> A greater HOT US Inc presence at the OSMF Board would be a matter of
>> concern in terms of :
>> - balance of powers
>> - diversity of visions, thoughts and practices around OSM
>> - board dynamics: a c

Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-27 Per discussione Tom Taylor

Thank you for a thought-provoking reply. I am neither a HOT voting 
member nor an OSMF voting member, so I'm probably unaware of any 
internal politics that are going on. I do chair the HOT Training WG, 
which I see as an attempt to solve a problem: hundreds or thousands of 
volunteers who want to contribute and have to be made capable of doing 
so in a very short time. And I do see a general trend toward 
professionalization of HOT operations, more or less for the same reasons.


As a naive lurker on the lists, I took the announced candidacies at face 
value. That is, committed individuals decided individually to run for 
office. I agree that if all of them got elected, HOT would dominate the 
Board, but that is surely not a foregone conclusion. But do you really 
have evidence of a HOT conspiracy as opposed to a set of committed 
individuals?


I note the references to Kate Chapman as representative of HOT. She is 
no longer executive director there. Is she not up for re-election?


Tom Taylor
TomT5454

On 27/11/2015 6:27 PM, augustindo...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Dave,

Your question is not adressed to me but I'd like to participate here.

My name is Augustin Doury, I've been active in OpenStreetMap since end
2012 as a daily commitment to sustain the growth of OSM communities in
West Africa, especially on the field in Senegal where I've been a HOT
volunteer for 5 months and last year as a Projet Espace OpenStreetMap
Francophone volunteer in Burkina Faso for 1 year, plus missions in Ivory
Coast (volunteer) and Togo (paid). I'm a HOT US Inc member since 2013.

Because I've seen what HOT became this last 3 years, I don't want to see
OSM project suffering the same problems as the HOT project.

As others, I think that HOT is a project about using OSM in humanitarian
and development fields, and as any open/free project, everybody should
be able to choose his/her approach within the HOT concept but what
occurs now is that choices are more and more restricted, less choices
for individuals and collectives.
Because HOT US Inc, with its specific vision, has almost monopolized the
HOT project in terms of communication (the logo, the communication
channels, the lists, the story/reputation, the Tasking Manager, the HOT
Exports  ...), I fear that a position at the OSMF board reinforce its
influence.

During the two pasts HOT US Inc elections, I tried as others to give
this point of view and advocate for the definition of a HOT Project with
a HOT Charter and HOT Commons that any individual or organization could
concur with and even officially join and/or fund, as explained by
Severin Menard on his diary [1]. It's for us, in our diversity, the good
way to maintain diversity in the HOT Project, respecting minorities.
I've seen how the HOT US board rejected this approach, saying that there
is not HOT US Inc, there is just HOT and HOT US Inc is HOT and should
not be called « US Inc » because it creates dividness within the HOT
community. I've seen the level of violence some HOT US Inc people were
able to trigger to close the debate without respect for those who work
hard everyday, especially from the field, for making what the HOT
project is now.

The concept of attribution is essential in the OSM project and I feel
like HOT US Inc, by its communication hegemony, benefits from the work
of numerous volunteers from South and North who give their time for the
HOT/OSM project, not for a NGO (which is nowadays in an active
fundraising campain).

I would not like to see this logic implements in OSMF. And simply I do
not understand the aim of the candidates from HOT US Inc to get more
seats at the OSMF board when Kate Chapman is already a board member.
In my opinion, HOT US Inc should not get more than one seat to let the 6
other seats to people who represent other aspects from the OSM ecoystem.

Have a good night from Togo and good vote,

Augustin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846


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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-27 Per discussione augustindoury

Hi Dave,

Your question is not adressed to me but I'd like to participate here.

My name is Augustin Doury, I've been active in OpenStreetMap since end
2012 as a daily commitment to sustain the growth of OSM communities in
West Africa, especially on the field in Senegal where I've been a HOT
volunteer for 5 months and last year as a Projet Espace OpenStreetMap
Francophone volunteer in Burkina Faso for 1 year, plus missions in Ivory
Coast (volunteer) and Togo (paid). I'm a HOT US Inc member since 2013.

Because I've seen what HOT became this last 3 years, I don't want to see
OSM project suffering the same problems as the HOT project.

As others, I think that HOT is a project about using OSM in humanitarian
and development fields, and as any open/free project, everybody should
be able to choose his/her approach within the HOT concept but what
occurs now is that choices are more and more restricted, less choices
for individuals and collectives.
Because HOT US Inc, with its specific vision, has almost monopolized the
HOT project in terms of communication (the logo, the communication
channels, the lists, the story/reputation, the Tasking Manager, the HOT
Exports  ...), I fear that a position at the OSMF board reinforce its
influence.

During the two pasts HOT US Inc elections, I tried as others to give
this point of view and advocate for the definition of a HOT Project with
a HOT Charter and HOT Commons that any individual or organization could
concur with and even officially join and/or fund, as explained by
Severin Menard on his diary [1]. It's for us, in our diversity, the good
way to maintain diversity in the HOT Project, respecting minorities.
I've seen how the HOT US board rejected this approach, saying that there
is not HOT US Inc, there is just HOT and HOT US Inc is HOT and should
not be called « US Inc » because it creates dividness within the HOT
community. I've seen the level of violence some HOT US Inc people were
able to trigger to close the debate without respect for those who work
hard everyday, especially from the field, for making what the HOT
project is now.

The concept of attribution is essential in the OSM project and I feel
like HOT US Inc, by its communication hegemony, benefits from the work
of numerous volunteers from South and North who give their time for the
HOT/OSM project, not for a NGO (which is nowadays in an active
fundraising campain).

I would not like to see this logic implements in OSMF. And simply I do
not understand the aim of the candidates from HOT US Inc to get more
seats at the OSMF board when Kate Chapman is already a board member.
In my opinion, HOT US Inc should not get more than one seat to let the 6
other seats to people who represent other aspects from the OSM ecoystem.

Have a good night from Togo and good vote,

Augustin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846

On 25/11/2015 12:10, Dave F. wrote:
> How do you perceive these "dangers" will manifest themselves?
>
> Dave F.
>
> On 24/11/2015 23:01, nicolas chavent wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Apologies for crosspostings, resending to talk an email sent to
>> osmf-talk about the HOT US Inc presence at the Board of the OSMF.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>> Dear OSMF voting members and mappers,
>>
>> This short note (also published in my diary [1]) to draw your
>> attention on the danger for OSMF (and the OSM project) in the case the
>> United States NGO "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US Inc" (aka HOT US
>> Inc) got a majority at the OSMF Board after this 2015 election.
>>
>> Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi, all members of the NGO
>> HOT US Inc, are running for the OSMF Board [2]; Kate Chapman, the
>> former ED of HOT US Inc serves already as Board Officer in OSMF.
>>
>> Shall Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi be elected, HOT US
>> Inc will get a majority at the Board of the Foundation.
>> This will provide a single organization of the OSM ecosystem (HOT US
>> Inc) with an unprecedented and excessive power of influence over the
>> Foundation.
>>
>> This running of three candidates from the same organization is
>> puzzling and troublesome when one considers that HOT US Inc (and
>> therefore its perspective around OpenStreetMap) is already represented
>> at the OSMF Board since Sept 2013. Why extending its presence and
>> influence and consequently diminishing the OSM diversity represented
>> at the OSMF Board?
>>
>> A greater HOT US Inc presence at the OSMF Board would be a matter of
>> concern in terms of :
>> - balance of powers
>> - diversity of visions, thoughts and practices around OSM
>> - board dynamics: a collective of HOT US Inc Boardees would interact
>> with single individuals.
>> T

Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

2015-11-25 1:59 GMT+01:00 Dave Corley :

> It's an open election, open to anyone to stand and open to anyone
> (members) to vote for who they choose.
>
> Not to be blunt, but if you don't like that, propose an amendment to the
> governing rules which can be voted on.
>
> In other words, to paraphrase the techies, patches welcome
>

yes, of course it is an open election, but of course Nicolas or anyone else
has the right to express his/her concerns and share them with the
electorate. Everybody can evaluate individually how to treat this
information and whether it will influence his/her voting behaviour or not.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-25 Per discussione Dave F.


How do you perceive these "dangers" will manifest themselves?

Dave F.

On 24/11/2015 23:01, nicolas chavent wrote:

Hi all,


Apologies for crosspostings, resending to talk an email sent to
osmf-talk about the HOT US Inc presence at the Board of the OSMF.

Best,
Nicolas


Dear OSMF voting members and mappers,

This short note (also published in my diary [1]) to draw your
attention on the danger for OSMF (and the OSM project) in the case the
United States NGO "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US Inc" (aka HOT US
Inc) got a majority at the OSMF Board after this 2015 election.

Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi, all members of the NGO
HOT US Inc, are running for the OSMF Board [2]; Kate Chapman, the
former ED of HOT US Inc serves already as Board Officer in OSMF.

Shall Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi be elected, HOT US
Inc will get a majority at the Board of the Foundation.
This will provide a single organization of the OSM ecosystem (HOT US
Inc) with an unprecedented and excessive power of influence over the
Foundation.

This running of three candidates from the same organization is
puzzling and troublesome when one considers that HOT US Inc (and
therefore its perspective around OpenStreetMap) is already represented
at the OSMF Board since Sept 2013. Why extending its presence and
influence and consequently diminishing the OSM diversity represented
at the OSMF Board?

A greater HOT US Inc presence at the OSMF Board would be a matter of
concern in terms of :
- balance of powers
- diversity of visions, thoughts and practices around OSM
- board dynamics: a collective of HOT US Inc Boardees would interact
with single individuals.
This is a bad practice which is not followed by any Organizations;
this is specifically true for representative bodies (organization
representing organizations) such as OSMF

Here are some elements that OSMF voting members shall have in ming
prior casting their ballot 28-Nov onwards bearing in minds that HOT US
Inc and this perspective about OSM is already represented at the OSMF
Board through Kate Chapman.

The HOT US Inc perspective informs, like other perspectives, the work
of the Foundation and has its effect on the OSM project, there is no
need to take risks in providing this group with more room in the
Foundation which is hot enough in these times of winter.

Best,
Nicolas

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[2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM15/Election_to_Board







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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-24 Per discussione Dave Corley

It's an open election, open to anyone to stand and open to anyone (members)
to vote for who they choose.

Not to be blunt, but if you don't like that, propose an amendment to the
governing rules which can be voted on.

In other words, to paraphrase the techies, patches welcome

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Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-24 Per discussione john whelan

My personal view is it doesn't really matter.  It is an election as I
understand it so members do vote for whom they wish to represent them.
Perhaps a larger concern might be the concentration of board members from a
particular country or region.

Cheerio John

On 24 November 2015 at 18:01, nicolas chavent <nicolas.chav...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Apologies for crosspostings, resending to talk an email sent to
> osmf-talk about the HOT US Inc presence at the Board of the OSMF.
>
> Best,
> Nicolas
>
>
> Dear OSMF voting members and mappers,
>
> This short note (also published in my diary [1]) to draw your
> attention on the danger for OSMF (and the OSM project) in the case the
> United States NGO "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US Inc" (aka HOT US
> Inc) got a majority at the OSMF Board after this 2015 election.
>
> Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi, all members of the NGO
> HOT US Inc, are running for the OSMF Board [2]; Kate Chapman, the
> former ED of HOT US Inc serves already as Board Officer in OSMF.
>
> Shall Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi be elected, HOT US
> Inc will get a majority at the Board of the Foundation.
> This will provide a single organization of the OSM ecosystem (HOT US
> Inc) with an unprecedented and excessive power of influence over the
> Foundation.
>
> This running of three candidates from the same organization is
> puzzling and troublesome when one considers that HOT US Inc (and
> therefore its perspective around OpenStreetMap) is already represented
> at the OSMF Board since Sept 2013. Why extending its presence and
> influence and consequently diminishing the OSM diversity represented
> at the OSMF Board?
>
> A greater HOT US Inc presence at the OSMF Board would be a matter of
> concern in terms of :
> - balance of powers
> - diversity of visions, thoughts and practices around OSM
> - board dynamics: a collective of HOT US Inc Boardees would interact
> with single individuals.
> This is a bad practice which is not followed by any Organizations;
> this is specifically true for representative bodies (organization
> representing organizations) such as OSMF
>
> Here are some elements that OSMF voting members shall have in ming
> prior casting their ballot 28-Nov onwards bearing in minds that HOT US
> Inc and this perspective about OSM is already represented at the OSMF
> Board through Kate Chapman.
>
> The HOT US Inc perspective informs, like other perspectives, the work
> of the Foundation and has its effect on the OSM project, there is no
> need to take risks in providing this group with more room in the
> Foundation which is hot enough in these times of winter.
>
> Best,
> Nicolas
>
> [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nicolas Chavent/diary/36750
> [2]:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM15/Election_to_Board
>
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-11-24 Per discussione nicolas chavent

Hi all,


Apologies for crosspostings, resending to talk an email sent to
osmf-talk about the HOT US Inc presence at the Board of the OSMF.

Best,
Nicolas


Dear OSMF voting members and mappers,

This short note (also published in my diary [1]) to draw your
attention on the danger for OSMF (and the OSM project) in the case the
United States NGO "Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team US Inc" (aka HOT US
Inc) got a majority at the OSMF Board after this 2015 election.

Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi, all members of the NGO
HOT US Inc, are running for the OSMF Board [2]; Kate Chapman, the
former ED of HOT US Inc serves already as Board Officer in OSMF.

Shall Mikel Maron, Joseph Reeves and Yantisa Akhadi be elected, HOT US
Inc will get a majority at the Board of the Foundation.
This will provide a single organization of the OSM ecosystem (HOT US
Inc) with an unprecedented and excessive power of influence over the
Foundation.

This running of three candidates from the same organization is
puzzling and troublesome when one considers that HOT US Inc (and
therefore its perspective around OpenStreetMap) is already represented
at the OSMF Board since Sept 2013. Why extending its presence and
influence and consequently diminishing the OSM diversity represented
at the OSMF Board?

A greater HOT US Inc presence at the OSMF Board would be a matter of
concern in terms of :
- balance of powers
- diversity of visions, thoughts and practices around OSM
- board dynamics: a collective of HOT US Inc Boardees would interact
with single individuals.
This is a bad practice which is not followed by any Organizations;
this is specifically true for representative bodies (organization
representing organizations) such as OSMF

Here are some elements that OSMF voting members shall have in ming
prior casting their ballot 28-Nov onwards bearing in minds that HOT US
Inc and this perspective about OSM is already represented at the OSMF
Board through Kate Chapman.

The HOT US Inc perspective informs, like other perspectives, the work
of the Foundation and has its effect on the OSM project, there is no
need to take risks in providing this group with more room in the
Foundation which is hot enough in these times of winter.

Best,
Nicolas

[1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nicolas Chavent/diary/36750
[2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM15/Election_to_Board




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[talk-ph] OSMF has a trademark on "OpenStreetMap" in the Philippines

2015-09-06 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar

Hi,

The OSMF apparently now owns the "OpenStreetMap" trademark in the
Philippines as shown by this Wiki page edit:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Trademark=next=1200887

I find it interesting that the Philippines is one of the territories deemed
important for trademark protection.

~Eugene
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