Thank you all, let's dig into this topic some more. a) Previous edits - preferably, all edits would be listed. Jānis shared a link to a forum thread, which seems to have several conflator project links - that is a great start. It allows to see both the scope and spot issues - even if only after the fact. Are there any Rocketdata changes in Latvia, missing from that thread?
Ekaterina, having a list of all previous edits in one place would be very useful. Perhaps a simple page on the wiki with links to all Rocketdata changes in Latvia, including both links to the conflator and to actual changesets? I can relate to difficulties working in a new position, but the responsible party has to be the company. If somebody buys a laptop and it dies a month later, they expect to be serviced - even if the exact person who sold the laptop has moved on. b) Regarding the tags, some issues are fairly simple to spot (like 220.lv pickup points being tagged as malls), some others will be more challenging (like the proper way to spell the company names). The first category could be reduced if Rocketdata contributors would do some on-the-ground map editing - it will allow to see how the map fits together. Seeing only a set of points in isolation can make it hard to understand the scope and impact of the changes. 220.lv tagging is a bit challenging. There's https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/69432/how-to-tag-an-online-convenience-with-a-pick-up-place (also links to "outpost" Jānis mentioned), but no clear winner. You might have to get involved in defining a new tag :) What is needed here: * Correct word to describe pickup points for various goods. * British English to be used. You might want to consider asking in the OSM IRC channel, a few Britons often hang out there. To summarise, in the proposed edits a couple of issues have been identified so far: 1. Incorrect "mall" usage. 2. Incorrect Tele2 classification. c) The location of the 220.lv premises in Daugavpils - that highlights a major concern. As a remote editor, Rocketdata must take great care not to litter data and leave it up to the community members to fix it for them. The onus is on Rocketdata to clarify the location beyond an address that a customer might have obtained by searching for it on Google. Notice that I'm explicitly saying "Rocketdata" - no implication that you personally have to travel to Daugavpils :) Jānis highlighted a few examples where the Rocketdata data quality has been unacceptable. There have been complaints in other countries about objects being added hundreds of metres from their correct locations, in Riga one Benu pharmacy was placed 100m off (resulting in a duplicate being created later). Just looking at customer data is not sufficient validation. In this particular case, we'd expect either a mall plan supplied by the customer, or maybe Rocketdata can offer 10 EUR for somebody from Daugavpils to go and take such a photo there... Just throwing around random ideas - it would be up to Rocketdata to find ways to improve this process. If all previous locations were perfect, likely nobody would think to question the placement. Unfortunately, the edit history shows frequent mistakes regarding the placement. d) Names. In OSM, the grammatically correct names of streets, shops and companies should be used. An often cited example is the American company 'Toys "R" Us' - the reverse "R" is not used in OSM. As for SEB, it is likely an acronym from seventies (perhaps "Stockholms Enskilda Bank") - thus the correct spelling indeed would be all uppercase "SEB", as Jānis noted. Benu - the opposite is true here, it is not an acronym. As per https://www.benu.lv/par-mums/ : "Benu (jeb bennu) ir mītisks putns, kura izcelsme meklējama ēģiptiešu mitoloģijā." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennu It being a mythological bird, the correct spelling would be "Benu", despite the name being stylised differently on signs. Also in OSM names should not include classification info - for example, a restaurant named "Rozengrāls" should not have "restorāns" appended anywhere in the name tag. Dear Latvian community, should we stick with plain "Benu" for the name here, or expand to "Benu aptieka"? As for the company name, we recently had a discussion here on the best way to unify the naming conventions. The best would probably be to use one gramatically correct standard for the "operator" and similar tags, and include the UR spelling in a separate tag - if somebody is willing to maintain that. In case of Benu, the proposed spelling of the company is: SIA "Benu aptieka" Although the usage of quotes was questioned, so a final agreement is still pending :) e) Benu might have wanted to highlight the fact that some of their pharmacies sell veterinary goods. This seems like a good idea in general, even if the implementation did not work out. While https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dveterinary_pharmacy is documented, the usage is low, and overloading the amenity tag would not be good in this case. Perhaps veterinary_pharmacy=yes, or veterinary_goods=yes tag, similar to dispensing=yes in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpharmacy ? f) The edits also propose changing SEB contact:website from https://www.seb.lv/ to - https://www.seb.lv/tiksanas-rezervacija . This seems wrong, as the URL should point at the most precise page for the location itself. I can relate to the non-standard situation worldwide, where SEB might want to explicitly remind customers that any visit must be arranged in advance - but we need a better location here. They do not seem to have a specific page for each location, the best seems to be https://www.seb.lv/par-seb/mes-atrodamies/filiales/filiales-bankomati-un-pasapkalposanas-vietas . I propose to either keep the URL as-is, or change it to this one. That page also has links to book a visit and warns not to arrive without one. Please let me know if I missed any topic. On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 09:17, Екатерина Радивилка <eradivi...@rocketdata.io> wrote: > Good day to all! We are very glad that we have a connection with you :) > The situation with the pharmacies came out when the representative of the > pharmacies Benu decided to place them as veterinary pharmacies in order to > attract precisely these goods. We've figured it out and will now host and > maintain them as just pharmacies (I will check it again and fix it if there > is a mistake). > How the process takes place: initially we check the json format document > for errors (we correct the categories, names and other tags), then we add > this document here https://osm.rocketdata.io/ and validate. Pressing any > buttons here https://osm.rocketdata.io/ does not have such functionality > - place on maps now. After discussing and changing (improving) the points, > we unload the file and place it on the maps using the josm. > SEB is not an abbreviation? If not, we'll fix it :) > Tele2 will correct, thanks > 220.lv - what is the best tag for them? > > > 24.12.2020, 02:12, "Marat" <mar...@gmail.com>: > > 220.lv had shopping option in Akropole before the covid restrictions, now > its only pickup. > > On Thu, 24 Dec 2020, 01:01 Jānis Emulis, <janis.emu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > @Rihards - I believe all previous changes can be found here > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=70046 > > @Екатерина > It's stated from your end that "we validate each point manually on our > own.", but here is a changeset that some time ago changed all existing Benu > pharmacies to veterinaries - > https://osm.rocketdata.io/table/latv_2?region= > Recent changeset (https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat4_1412) had > similar mistake for 1 pharmacy, changed it through your site. So are you > really checking what is pushed or it's mostly automatic? > Here's another potentially problematic one ( > https://osm.rocketdata.io/table/lat3_1310?region=). Name should be SEB > instead of Seb I believe. > > As for your site functionality - there's a yellow button "Validate the > import", if it would be clicked, all changes would be immediately published > or what is the process? > > Also for Tele2 changeset (https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat2_1412) > shop:mobile_phone would be more appropriate than office:telecommunication > since these are places where you either buy phones or consult regarding > their services - https://www.tele2.lv/img/t2c_banner/tc_baneris2.jpg > > Agree that tag for 220.lv is wrong, it's a place where you receive your > purchased items (pick-up point) from their online shop, there is no > shopping. There seems to be tag Shop:Outpost > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Doutpost> in use, but some > people take issue with it's naming > These 2 are incorrectly tagged as mall as well: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3844214481 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7987813593 > > _______________ > Best regards, > Jānis Emulis > > _______________ > Best regards, > Jānis Emulis > > > On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 15:20, Rihards <riha...@nakts.net> wrote: > > Hi and thank you for your email. A few concerns: > > a) There have been multiple mass edits in Latvia, not discussed. Could you > please share all the previous changesets? > > b) Looking only at the first suggested item, there's a concern. > https://osm.rocketdata.io/table/lat1_1412?region= > The "shop" tag seems wrong. > > Also, how was the location of that point in the building determined? > > On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 13:33, Екатерина Радивилка < > eradivi...@rocketdata.io> wrote: > > Hello there! We are a service that helps business owners to update their > companies' business information on the Internet. > DbCL 1.0 license, because a business owner or employee of a published POI > put the company data through our software. > Additionally, we validate each point manually on our own. > We are planning here to pre-publish links to future imports. > > our website rocketdata.io > > documentation https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rocketdata_import > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:… ketdata.io > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue > our terms https://rocketdata.io/terms_and_conditions > source: local knowledge using rocketdata.io > > Uploaded to the forum in total over 100 thousand locations > We have a similar topic on the Russian forum: > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=66372 > and Ukrainian https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68337 > And Poland https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68408 > Belarus https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=70022 > > We want to unload these points in Latvia: > > https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat1_1412 220 (new) > https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat2_1412 tele2 (new) > https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat3_1412 seb (update) > https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat4_1412 benu (update) > https://osm.rocketdata.io/project/lat5_1412 tele2, 220 (update) > > At the OSM forum, we had an agreement: to upload points once a week to the > forum, after checking and discussing (about a week), upload them to the > card. How do you view this collaboration? Have a nice day, everyone! > _______________________________________________ > Talk-lv mailing list > Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-lv mailing list > Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-lv mailing list > Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv > > , > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-lv mailing list > Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-lv mailing list > Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv >
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