Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Alex Barth
Not sure it is necessary to suggest all nonhackers and non humanitarians on this list are couch potatoes to further the argument. Osm is a place where imports happen, we have rules to stick to, we want to have educated discussions about those rules. I am tired of import bashing as an

[Talk-us] Say hello to the scholarship winners to State of the Map US 2015

2015-04-03 Thread Eleanor Tutt
Good morning! I'm excited to be able to announce the winners of scholarships to State of the Map US 2015. We had 230+ incredible OpenStreetMap contributors from across the globe apply for scholarships, and I know the selection committee had an* incredibly difficult time* narrowing it down to 30

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Greg Morgan
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Eleanor Tutt
Hello! While I think that (vetted, high quality) imports and armchair mapping have the ability to improve OSM, especially for things like building footprints that are hard to survey on the ground without traipsing across private property, I certainly hope that people do not view the US as

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread stevea
On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote: Erring on the side of high ground safety might be a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so. And Frederik Ramm replied: Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On the ground, meanwhile, you'd tend to find no trespassing signs on railbanked ROWs, no? In general, no. Trespassing signs tend to appear on encroachments (where neighbours are using the railroad right of way without

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Brian May
On 4/3/2015 8:18 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also

[Talk-us] US Government Accountability Report on GIS Data

2015-04-03 Thread Brian May
Hello, In researching estimates of expenditures of GIS data in the US, I ran across a report [1] that some of you may find interesting. There's several bits of insight in there regarding addresses. For example, there's tables listing expendatures on address data by different federal (and a

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Darrell, On 04/03/2015 08:39 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Ignore the haters, we’re doing fine. I don't know if that thing about haters is just a generic figure of speech but if you should indeed believe that I have expressed hate about anything, then you are mistaken (and I would feel a bit

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Darrell, On 04/03/2015 08:39 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Ignore the haters, we’re doing fine. I don't know if that thing about haters is just a generic figure of speech but if you should indeed believe that I have

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Eleanor, I don't see a reason not to be public with my reply to you. I organize mapping parties during the warmer months (have one next week) and during the colder months, organize indoor mapping events. The indoor events tend to get less participants than the outdoor ones, which is surprising.

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Brad Neuhauser writes: So, is the argument here that we should no longer delete features that no longer exist, just retag them? Is the argument that we generally should delete such features, but railways are a special case where we shouldn't? Yes, they are, because railroads went

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Greg Morgan writes: * In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. In some NY counties, TIGER is very good. In other places it is like Stevie Wonder was in charge of quality control. What I've heard is that the maps they were digitizing off were of MUCH lower resolution than we have available now.

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. You're blowing smoke in a no-smoking zone, Frederik. Looking at BNSF's system map (or calling up BNSF's public affairs office) to see what they call their

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Welty writes: [OHM is] a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Ian Dees
Hi everyone, Second warning. Please cool it down. We're all in this project together, and if we can't keep our conversations on the mailing list civil then we should step away from the e-mail client and go map. -Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Greg Morgan
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com wrote: Side note relevant to this conversation: I would love to hear from mappers in the US who are collecting data on the ground - either by themselves or by organizing mapathons and building community. I can think of quite

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Eleanor Tutt
Serge - Thanks for the detailed response! I think I do recall seeing your blog post in the past, but I reread it now and your concerns - especially who decides what gets shown on the map - very much resonate with me. Paul - If perception of mapping in the US isn't aligning with reality, we

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
My god, this is arrogant. Crap like this is the #1 reason I’m not an OSMF member. If this is what counts as the “OSM community” – I want no part of it. d. On Apr 3, 2015, at 17:53, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S.

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-03 Thread Greg Morgan
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2015-03-31 00:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/31/2015 08:04 AM, Natfoot wrote: There is so many situations where to his naked eye on the ground he may not be able to see it. To a person like myself I

[Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Richard Welty
so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and i'm interesting in understanding why some treat the whole project so dismissively

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: . . . It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload

Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/3/15 10:40 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: If you are asking for an opinion, then this is the kind-of thing that is a detriment to OSM. Whereas I try to use OpenSeaMap tags where I can for the limited features that sea map applies, I won't go out of my way to add data to OSH. My main concern