On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:44:00 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
Do paper maps include the directional prefix or postfix? I looked at a
few maps of Washington DC and not one of them I saw include the quadrant
suffix.
I've yet to find a Portland map that
It sounds to me like they should probably be seperated out, but I don't
live in the area so I don't want to make the final call.
Do you live in the area? It sounds like you do. If you are still not
sure try asking other people in the area and see what they think.
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010,
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.orgwrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote:
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change N/S or E/W
at
a point along it. Treat
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.orgwrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote:
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change
At 2010-08-17 12:52, Dale Puch wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:19 AM,
Kevin Atkinson
ke...@atkinson.dhs.org
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote:
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from
any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change
N/S
For addresses, we have the various pieces split up, such as
addr:housenumber, addr:street.
For streets, how about something like this:
* name = S Main St (common name, whatever appropriate for the locale; in
this example locale, it's not usual to include the suffix; in other locales
it should
At 2010-08-17 12:52, Dale Puch wrote:
Because your losing information.
If your separating the elements to different tags... if truly not part of
the name, it can be used for part of the address instead of street.
Is it really not part of the street name, what are the rules you use to
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it really not part of the street name, what are the rules you use to
determine it is only part of the address?
In Orlando the city and county ground-mounted street signs have a
square at the end for the address block. The
At 2010-08-17 18:44, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it really not part of the street name, what are the rules you use to
determine it is only part of the address?
In Orlando the city and county ground-mounted street signs have
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Alan Mintz wrote:
At 2010-08-17 18:44, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it really not part of the street name, what are the rules you use to
determine it is only part of the address?
In Orlando the city and
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.org wrote:
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Alan Mintz wrote:
So, the remaining questions are:
- When you look at official records, like assessor's and tract maps, is it
called South Westmoreland Dr?
Seems like they sometimes include
Well, personally there is what is, what should be, and what is practical.
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change N/S or E/W at
a point along it. Treat them as 2 different streets.
What to
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, personally there is what is, what should be, and what is practical.
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change N/S or E/W at
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Dale Puch wrote:
The directional prefix/suffix absolutely should not be dropped from any
streets. Even ones that are simple straight lines that change N/S or E/W at
a point along it. Treat them as 2 different streets.
1) Why?
2) Do you live in an area that uses
So, can we agree that in some areas the directionals *are* necessary
for display? If not yet, in Minneapolis there are many more examples.
To wit, there are four separate roads that are 3rd Ave, each with a
different directional: N, S, NE, SE. For a little Where's Waldo fun,
see if you can find
I also think that it is important to think about the street
information as data as opposed to just what is necessary for display.
By storing a minimal number of address parts as separate attributes,
we can greatly increase the value of the data stored. This will make
this data much more valuable
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Mike Thompson wrote:
Do paper maps include the directional prefix or postfix? I looked at a few
maps of Washington DC and not one of them I saw include the quadrant suffix.
I have a map of DC and it contains the quadrant suffixes.
On every single street? What map is
On every single street?
Yep, pretty much everyone that has a directional as part of its name,
which is a lot of them.
What map is this
It was published by Color-Art, Inc., St Louis Mo. 2004-Edition I
am not claiming this is a super authoritative source, but it is one
counter example.
Maps
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:11 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Mike Thompson wrote:
Do paper maps include the directional prefix or postfix? I looked at a few
maps of Washington DC and not one of them I saw include the quadrant
suffix.
I have a map of DC and it
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Mike Thompson wrote:
On every single street?
Yep, pretty much everyone that has a directional as part of its name,
which is a lot of them.
What map is this
It was published by Color-Art, Inc., St Louis Mo. 2004-Edition I
am not claiming this is a super authoritative
On 8/13/10 1:27 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
Maybe Oregon's just weird, but that *IS* the way our streets are. NW
is a fundamental part of the street name.
ditto for St Pete Florida, without the N/S/NE/SE directionals, you're lost.
they're pretty fundamental. the avenues number north and south
If you want to see the mother of all street naming trainwrecks, have a look
at Hickory, NC. Story goes that sometime back in the '30's, the city
fathers/mothers thought they would rationalize street naming. But what makes
sense on gridded streets makes an *awful* mnemonic device for wayfinding,
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Steven Johnson wrote:
If you want to see the mother of all street naming trainwrecks, have a look
at Hickory, NC. Story goes that sometime back in the '30's, the city
fathers/mothers thought they would rationalize street naming. But what makes
sense on gridded streets makes
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote:
I just want to point out that the federal address standard has passed
through the public comment period and is now in committee review. It is
expected to become a federal regulation in early 2011.
, August 12, 2010 2:57 PM
To: Lord-Castillo, Brett
Cc: 'talk-us@openstreetmap.org'
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Address Standard
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote:
I just want to point out that the federal address standard has passed
through the public comment period and is now
Well, hang on a tic... I don't know if you can really say, ...no one will
manually enter in all those parts, especially since the distinction would be
meaningless to most people. Just like breaking out the prefix, I think
breaking out the address into a finer granularity makes the address more
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Steven Johnson wrote:
Well, hang on a tic... I don't know if you can really say, ...no one will
manually enter in all those parts, especially since the distinction would be
meaningless to most people. Just like breaking out the prefix, I think
breaking out the address into
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote:
The vast majority of street addresses are only going to have only four elements:
2.2.1.2 Address Number
2.2.2.2 Street Name Pre Directional or 2.2.2.6 Post Directional
2.2.2.4 Street Name
2.2.2.5 Street Name Post Type or 2.2.2.3 Street Name Pre
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:54 PM
To: Lord-Castillo, Brett
Cc: 'talk-us@openstreetmap.org'
Subject: RE: [Talk-us] Address Standard
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote:
The vast majority of street addresses are only going to have only four
elements
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:57 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
My main goal was to separate out the directional prefix because, which
while important for mailing, did not really belong as part of the street
name. I thought I would take care of the suffix as well.
You may think it doesn't really
On 8/12/10 11:09 PM, Alan Millar wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:57 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
My main goal was to separate out the directional prefix because, which
while important for mailing, did not really belong as part of the street
name. I thought I would take care of the suffix as
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Alan Millar wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 13:57 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
My main goal was to separate out the directional prefix because, which
while important for mailing, did not really belong as part of the street
name. I thought I would take care of the suffix as
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:54 -0600, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
I think that these components should be automatically separated by parsing
the street name some how, and only require manual entry when there is
ambiguity. When there is ambiguity, I think just entering in the Street
Name (base type
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