Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA. http://g.co/maps/afh8m I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: http://g.co/maps/w7mnr That's not a mini, though, since you can't just drive over the island. Here's an eponymous example of a mini roundabout: http://goo.gl/6Qswf

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 10:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I'm ignoring this wiki-fiddling: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundaboutdiff=747981oldid=689543 Both edits you mention seem to

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 11:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've mapped

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical clearance requirements the wiki's had since the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one correct way of mapping.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
So, you're suggesting we stop mapping nontraversable, hard medians? Because that's what it sounds like. Get your ears checked. Not necessary, I'm not the one suggesting node tagging is a substitute for mapping a nontraversible median. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Paul, It looks like a manhole cover (albeit a rather nice one). Are you sure it's a miniroundabout? :-) Charlotte At 06:46 AM 5/7/2012, you wrote: This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Mills
So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv What about this one? Also a full on roundabout?

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 4:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv Even sillier:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Mills
On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Millsnat...@nwacg.net wrote: http://g.co/maps/hnbp9 All three are roundabouts, yes. How are you going to properly map the first one? There is no channelization or anything that makes the intersection circular.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Millsnat...@nwacg.net  wrote: http://g.co/maps/hnbp9 All three are roundabouts, yes. How are you going to properly map the first one? There

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The problem seems to be that mappers needed a tag for a small roundabout on a node. Since all that was available was mini_roundabout, that's what we used. Had there been another tag, e.g. highway=roundabout, we wouldn't have this discussion. But mini_roundabout is now in use for a large number

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Toby Murray
Mills [mailto:nat...@nwacg.net] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 May 2012 22:28, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: