Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 11:48 brad I'm going to start close to home, extend that to the state of CO, & see > how it goes. > I've done quite a bit of recreating and boondock camping on BLM land and > I've never come across any that are leased exclusively, altho I'm sure > there are some.It's more

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread brad
I'm going to start close to home, extend that to the state of CO, & see how it goes. I've done quite a bit of recreating and boondock camping on BLM land and I've never come across any that are leased exclusively, altho I'm sure there are some.    It's more of a rarity, than 'most of'.

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM Michael Patrick wrote: > "Multiple uses under BLM management include renewable energy development > (solar, wind, other); conventional energy development (oil and gas, coal); > livestock grazing; hardrock mining (gold, silver, other), timber harvesting; > and

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Swarthout
Absolutely agree with your assessment of the management style of the BLM, Michael. In Alaska, BLM land is literally crisscrossed with ATV trails. It's a travesty but there's nobody around to enforce the rules and the amount of land under BLM's "care" is truly humongous. Unmanageable, even without

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-07 Thread Michael Patrick
> > Joseph, I'm not stuck on class 27, but as you say, that fits the > definition on the wiki. I should probably look for other specific > protection in the attributes and translate that somehow. Mostly it's just > grazing and recreation land. Anything such as wilderness or monument >

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread Martijn van Exel
Brad — My reference to Gaia GPS was meant to illustrate that third party apps are perfectly capable of overlaying data from various sources. Just because a data source exists doesn’t mean that it should be in OSM. On the ground verifiability has always been the gold standard for OSM, and I

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On January 6, 2019 at 7:50:44 AM PST, brad wrote: > > Joseph, I'm not stuck on class 27, but as you say, that fits the definition > on the wiki. I should probably look for other specific protection in the > attributes and translate that somehow. Mostly it's just grazing and > recreation

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:19:10 -0600 Ian Dees wrote: > Hi Brad, thanks for proposing this import and posting it here. > > I would strongly prefer that we not import boundaries like this into > OSM. Boundaries of all sorts are almost impossible to verify with > OSM's "on the ground" rule, but BLM

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread brad
Joseph,   I'm not stuck on class 27, but as you say, that fits the definition on the wiki.   I should probably look for other specific protection in the attributes and translate that somehow.   Mostly it's just grazing and recreation land.   Anything such as wilderness or monument would

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread Dave Swarthout
Ian Dees wrote: >"Those things shouldn't be in OSM either" Are you implying that because such boundaries (National Forests, National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges) are non-verifiable by OSM mappers they don't belong in OSM? If so, wow! I live in Alaska where about 60% of the land area is

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-06 Thread Michael Patrick
> Clean up as necessary (there are some extraneous ways at state > boundaries & elsewhere) BLM manages about 10% of the total area of the United States, and those areas historically have had the least resources dedicated in terms of mapping. Also, the BLM data is an amalgamation of data from

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Brad — I make use of BLM / NPS / NF boundary data a lot too. I use Gaia GPS for this, which overlays this data nicely with what’s in OSM[1]. There are lots of other outdoor apps that do the same. I prefer this data live outside of OSM as well for similar reasons as Ian stated. Knowing whether

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 10:42 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This data is no less verifiable than national forest boundaries and > federal wilderness boundaries; these generally need to be checked against > official sources, just as BLM boundaries will. > > Municipal boundaries are perhaps even

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This data is no less verifiable than national forest boundaries and federal wilderness boundaries; these generally need to be checked against official sources, just as BLM boundaries will. Municipal boundaries are perhaps even harder to verify than boundaries of BLM land and National Forests in

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread brad
Ian, I want to import this data because I think its important for a complete map.   We have national forest, wilderness  and national park boundaries in OSM!   This is no different.   If you look at many maps they show all of them. I'd like it to show up on any map that I use.   I'm working

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread Ian Dees
Hi Brad, thanks for proposing this import and posting it here. I would strongly prefer that we not import boundaries like this into OSM. Boundaries of all sorts are almost impossible to verify with OSM's "on the ground" rule, but BLM boundaries in particular are such an edge case (they have no

[Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread brad
I'd like to import BLM (US Bureau of Land Management) boundaries into OSM.    This is not an automated import as you can see from my workflow. Workflow: Download shape file from PADUS (1 state at a time): https://gapanalysis.usgs.gov/padus/data/download/ Load into Qgis and filter for BLM