Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Montag, 8. September 2014 schrieb Tod Fitch : How does this sound? +1 Cheers, Martin -- Martin Koppenhoefer (Dipl-Ing. Arch.) Via del Santuario Regina degli Apostoli, 18 00145 Roma |I|I|I|I|I|I|I|I| Italia N41.851,

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Andrew Guertin
On 09/08/2014 05:27 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: [...] instead there is a state wide prima facie limit: source:maxspeed=US:CA:residential [...] My state doesn't have such a limit, but my city does. Supposing I started tagging things with source:maxspeed=US:VT:Burlington, would anyone be upset that

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Marc Gemis
In Europe (at least Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, UK) people started to add both source:maxspeed=country code:classification and explicit maxspeed tags. Then there is no need for an external DB to lookup the speeds. Although it means that when the speed changes, all roads have to be retagged.

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Guertin wrote: On 09/08/2014 05:27 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: [...] instead there is a state wide prima facie limit: source:maxspeed=US:CA:residential [...] My state doesn't have such a limit, but my city does. Supposing I started tagging things with

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
I'm of the opinion that wherever the speed limit is just the default for that road class, it should not need to be posted at all. Any data user can then infer limits. Martijn On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
One street here in Nashville, TN, went for several years without any speed limit signs along its three-mile length. Then, one day, it suddenly had signs every half-mile or so. I suspect that someone probably argued their way out of a speeding ticket on the grounds that there weren't any posted

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread stevea
I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are some sort of federal standard? The source tag might be useful but not much different than other states. The federal government doesn't have anything to say about speed limits (in states), as the US Constitution leaves

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 9, 2014, at 10:31 AM, stevea wrote: I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are some sort of federal standard? The source tag might be useful but not much different than other states. The federal government doesn't have anything to say about speed

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
There's a functional difference between speed limits and the actual speed driven. For ETA prediction, speed limit data is not all that useful - detailed historical and live speed profiles are. That is not data that is in OSM (or should be). The speed limits are mostly useful for alerting drivers

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Historical and live speed profiles are pretty much required for trip planning in congested urban areas, but for those of us who drive close to the speed limit and make long trips on relatively uncrowded rural freeways, travel time estimates based on posted (or prima facie) speeds are a good

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Agreed - that's a pretty small use case, relatively, though. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Historical and live speed profiles are pretty much required for trip planning in congested urban areas, but for those of us who drive close to the speed limit and

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Yes, a pretty small use case at somewhere around 10,000,000 trips per year on I-5 through the central valley of California. Or 9,000,000 trips per year each way on I-8 across the desert to the Arizona border. On your daily commute, you may not need help navigating so much as you want accurate

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Thanks for clarifying, Tod. For ETA the congested urban use case is much more challenging to get right, and much more likely to rely on an dynamic ETA estimate. If you're on a multi-hour trip, you're more likely to have scoped out your travel time before you leave and planned accordingly, and if