Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

On 09/05/2017 12:48 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: > Nick, > > This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing > is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping. > So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain > areas of gender bias in OSM and

Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

In the old thread someone wrote (paraphrasing): I map from photographs, so I'm not biased. Since I map in the same way, I have a couple of thoughts. A photo is a personal interpretation of the real world. The photographer framed the scene, leaving out or including items. This can be conscious or

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas

Hi Brian, >From the TxDOT website I see that the road data is updated yearly, but unfortunately the data was last published at the end of 2015. One think I would like to make sure of, is that Texas roads are up-to-date so that any new subdivisions that may be water affected are actually on the

Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

Thank you Spencer for your thoughts! Speaking from my own experience, I come to OSM with many blind spots and I rely on others to help me understand what those blind spots are. Perhaps that is one best ways academic research can contribute to OSM -- to let us see something new that we were not

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

> A simpler explanation would be that women are simply interested in other > past-times. And what's wrong with that? *On average* women are simply interested in other past-times. And what's wrong with that? --- groan that I have to put that caveat in, or people will twist your words. On

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

The ultimate goal for OSM should be a project which everyone feels welcome to be a part of, and which does not have a noticeable bias towards either gender or any given race. Also, please realize just because women are welcome to participate in OSM, does not necessarily mean that some women

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, without access to women's toilets ? The real question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry

Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

Re your question about  If you are doing an academic study on eye color and OSM/VGI contribution -- I'd be happy to moderate a townhall as well. For what it's worth, I have blue eyes (and glasses). Alyssa. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Joel Holdsworth wrote: >

Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

Thanks Ian et al. I'd also like to weigh in with two more points: 1. It's great Zoe's academic inquiry inspired so much discussion. As long as it is respectful and productive, we welcome all community input. 2. If people are interested in taking this off email and speaking more

[Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

Hi all, Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive conversation. I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too hostile towards each other again. -Ian

Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

Could we have one eye colour, also? ;-) On 05/09/17 17:03, Ian Dees wrote: Hi all, Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive conversation. I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Zoe, Reading these responses helps me understand why you are doing what you're doing. It's almost laughable that some male mappers responded with, well, sexist remarks concerning your work. People are not usually aware of the biases they introduce and that's why researchers must use statistical

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed import of building footprints for Hartford, CT

Hi, On 05.09.2017 04:41, Clifford Snow wrote: > Please join us on Slack [1] to help discuss > the import. If anything meaningful is ever discussed there, please don't forget that it is a proprietary platform not used by everyone, and add summaries or transcripts to the public import

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Dear All Further to my email yesterday regard, I would like to reassure subscribers here that the research is bona fide. I included a link to my University webpage in the original post which I thought would give the survey the required credence. I agree with Charlotte that it would have been

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Dear All Further to my email yesterday regard, I would like to reassure subscribers here that the research is bona fide. I included a link to my University webpage in the original post which I thought would give the survey the required credence. I agree with Charlotte that it would have been

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that you have to justify what you map, just because someone is studying it by gender? Charlotte At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis wrote: > One of the discussion

Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

On 05/09/17 12:07, Charlotte Wolter wrote: If someone named Allessanbdro were in charge, a study, such as Zoe's, never would happen, Clearly, from the reactions on the email lists, a gender topic is very threatening to a number of members. That's a quite a toxic statement. It's hard to think

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Nick, This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping. So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain areas of gender bias in OSM and reports them? Would you be angry and quit mapping? Would

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is divisive. Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally doesn't matter. Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Dear Zoe: Thanks for doing the study -- I saw it posted earlier in OSM Weekly. I look forward to seeing the results, whatever they may be. And I'm quite ashamed (but not surprised) by the open hostility your study is facing on this list and elsewhere. Best, Harald (hobbesvsboyle) On Tue, Sep

Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

I'm sorry, but the closest thing to toxicity I've seen are the overly vehement objections to the mere gathering of data. It might be worth examining why someone gathering demographic data is causing such a strong reaction. I sincerely cannot comprehend why anyone would be against this. I can

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Hi everybody, We're going to stop this thread here (at least on the lists I moderate). Not only is it off-topic for this thread, but we're also off-topic for the mailing list. Let's remember to keep conversations positive, constructive, and on topic. Thanks! Ian, your friendly list moderator On

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

The very notion that studying who participates in OSM is divisive is preposterous. The very notion that there would be nothing to learn if a project where "everyone has a chance to contribute if they want to" had a 99% to 1% gender imbalance is absolutely ridiculous. If there are groups of people

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

On 2017.09.05. 12:53, Nick Hocking wrote: > We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever > takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on > mapping that we do not want to do willingly. > > If the location based service providers find that certain

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

I am not sure pubs are a good thing to compare but I have certainly mapped playgrounds as I find them, no particular interest beyond trying to complete the map of my home town. Finding them does take time, they are not as easy to map as pubs (big buildings on the main roads). We are not a huge

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Sorry, this was drawn to my attention. I can vouch that Zoe Gardner is a researcher at Nottingham University Geospatial Institute. Her institutional webpage is here: Zoe Gardner - The University of Nottingham | | | | || | | | | | Zoe Gardner - The University of

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on mapping that we do not want to do willingly. If the location based service providers find that certain info is missing that they would like to have then

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

This is how it's done http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244 I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago. He didn't put out a questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less accessability tags than disabled persons,

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

While I agree that changing peoples mapping habits is possible by posting about certain mapping subjects, or developing apps, I do not see why it is wrong to question whether a typical mapper only maps what interests him/her or whether they also map other stuff. I map a lot of items in which I