Re: [Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Mike N wrote: > As part of the review and cleanup after the redaction bot, I am planning to > go through and review state routes and create relations for them. > > There's been much good work in developing the Shields rendering scheme, > and I would like to prepare when / if it gets rolled out in the US. > >Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging > scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with > shields and other data consumers? Here's the current state of the art: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#Tagging_with_relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations Chris ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions
On 7/9/2012 6:23 PM, Mike N wrote: Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with shields and other data consumers? No, because there is no current tagging scheme :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Mike N wrote: > As part of the review and cleanup after the redaction bot, I am planning to > go through and review state routes and create relations for them. > > There's been much good work in developing the Shields rendering scheme, > and I would like to prepare when / if it gets rolled out in the US. > >Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging > scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with > shields and other data consumers? When I started doing Kansas highways I looked around on the wiki and saw several state level highway tagging pages. I tried to see what most people were doing and copied that to the Kansas page.[1] Of course there has been several debates about this since then so... who knows :) Toby [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas_state_highways ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions
As part of the review and cleanup after the redaction bot, I am planning to go through and review state routes and create relations for them. There's been much good work in developing the Shields rendering scheme, and I would like to prepare when / if it gets rolled out in the US. Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with shields and other data consumers? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Licence redaction ready to begin
On 7/9/2012 4:46 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get underway. Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other words, they will no longer be accessible. We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (11th July) assuming a couple of final setup details are completed by then. I understand that deletions by ungood users will *not* be reverted. Will changesets by these users still be available, so one can go through and fix the damage? (Or, even better, will there be lists of objects deleted by users?) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > Forwarding from talk/dev > > Note that the date given (9th) should be "11th" > > So we may see things starting to happen here in the US within the next > week or two. Awesome! Thank you, devs, for your work on the tools for this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin
Forwarding from talk/dev Note that the date given (9th) should be "11th" So we may see things starting to happen here in the US within the next week or two. Toby -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM Subject: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin To: t...@openstreetmap.org, d...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get underway. Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than 1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other words, they will no longer be accessible. We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July) assuming a couple of final setup details are completed by then. The bot will run in the following order: 1. Ireland 2. UK 3. Western Europe 4. North America 5. Australia 6. rest of the world Once it is complete, we will be ready to distribute data under the ODbL and we'll advise of that with a separate announcement. The final pre-redaction dataset available under CC-BY-SA has now been generated at http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 . Where data has been redacted, any attempt to access it from the API or the site's 'browse' pages will return a response to that effect. Test runs have shown that the bot is functioning as we want it to, but we will of course be monitoring its progress. We are currently expecting it to take in the order of one month to complete; given the many variables I'm afraid we can't give a more precise steer yet, but we'll aim to keep everyone updated as it runs (via the announce@ and talk@ lists). There will be _no_ API outage and no other interruption to editing. When the bot is running in your area, please do save your edits frequently to minimise the likelihood of conflict. (Separate messages are going to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ as the first two areas to be affected. Please do forward and translate this for your local mailing lists.) As you know we were expecting this to start just after 1st April and the complexity of the task incurred the delay. Thank you all very much for your patience in waiting for it to get underway. Thank you especially to those who have contributed to the code, whether by patches, suggestions or just helping to firm up the workings. Richard for the OSMF board ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07
On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 08:43 -0700, Kenneth Adelman wrote: [quoting Dave Hansen:] > > I'm seeing the same thing. > > > Any suggestions for other trackers to use? > > Not an expert on the matter, but try > > http://publicbt.com/ > > I think you can have more than one, so you could leave the current > tracker and add > this one. If you update the .torrent files on the site, let me know and I'll > try the > new ones. These are all known to work: udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80 udp://tracker.ccc.de:80 udp://tracker.istole.it:80 Any modern BitTorrent client should have no issue with multiple trackers. Any modern BitTorrent client will also support DHT, PEX, and magnet links making a missing tracker an annoyance rather than a show-stopper; though it is possible to download public torrents given only the info hash, having a tracker can (and usually does) speed things up. -- Shawn K. Quinn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: > > In Maryland, the state has a brochure showing more or less where the > byways are, and they're not entirely consistently signed[0]. I've put one > into OpenStreetMap[1] and tagged it much as you did the Western Vistas > Historic Byway, but I used a network of US:MD for lack of a better > option. (US:MD:Scenic Byway might make sense, too.) > My vote would be for US:MD:Scenic. Let's keep it simple. > I think the best way to handle National Scenic Byways and All American > Roads is just to add national_scenic_byway=yes and all_american_road=yes > tags (sorry) to the route relations as appropriate. That probably doesn't > address your Historic Byway, but I haven't read anything about those. > Is it possible that these are networks to themselves? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
* Toby Murray [2012-07-08 14:20 -0500]: > Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to > be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I've done a bit of reading about these, mostly as they pertain to Maryland. It appears that most of those are also state-designated scenic byways, and a state will probably have other scenic byways that are not nationally recognized. > So how do we map these? In Maryland, the state has a brochure showing more or less where the byways are, and they're not entirely consistently signed[0]. I've put one into OpenStreetMap[1] and tagged it much as you did the Western Vistas Historic Byway, but I used a network of US:MD for lack of a better option. (US:MD:Scenic Byway might make sense, too.) I think the state-based scenic byways should have state-specific network tags. There are a few that are not state scenic byways, like Skyline Drive in Virginia. I'm not sure what would be a good network for those. I think the best way to handle National Scenic Byways and All American Roads is just to add national_scenic_byway=yes and all_american_road=yes tags (sorry) to the route relations as appropriate. That probably doesn't address your Historic Byway, but I haven't read anything about those. [0] I've been on three of Maryland's scenic byways since I started paying attention to them, and have only followed one for its entire length. That one (the Horses and Hounds Scenic Byway) only has signs right before the byway turns onto other roads and those signs do not indicate which way the byway turns. The Catoctin Mountin Scenic Byway (also a National Scenic Byway) more or less runs along the entire length of US 15 in Maryland and has signs dotted along the side of the road. The Star Spangled Banner Scenic Byway runs along most of the length of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, but I've only seen one sign on the B-W Parkway--on the northbound side, just before MD 175--and it doesn't have the name of the scenic byway on it. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2188238 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07
>> I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents >> (these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the >> udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker. I don't have any sort of >> firewalls involved. Anyone else seeing this problem? > I'm seeing the same thing. > Any suggestions for other trackers to use? Not an expert on the matter, but try http://publicbt.com/ I think you can have more than one, so you could leave the current tracker and add this one. If you update the .torrent files on the site, let me know and I'll try the new ones. Ken ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07
On 07/09/2012 07:53 AM, Kenneth Adelman wrote: >> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel >> free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The >> odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by >> asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. > > I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents > (these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the > udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker. I don't have any sort of > firewalls involved. Anyone else seeing this problem? I'm seeing the same thing. Any suggestions for other trackers to use? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07
> If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel > free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The > odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by > asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. I just noticed that my seed-box isn't seeding these torrents (these, or any of the previous cycles) because it can't connect to the udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80 tracker. I don't have any sort of firewalls involved. Anyone else seeing this problem? Ken ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of > any > > efforts to tag them as such. > > Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I > haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I > don't > believe it exists. Wisconsin has Rustic Routes [0] that I remember mapping with relations a long while ago. Of course I don't remember which ones I mapped or how they were tagged, but if someone is interested in poking through and finding them, they might be tagged decently. [0] http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/travel/scenic/maps.htm ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of > any > > efforts to tag them as such. > > Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I > haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I > don't > believe it exists. > That's not quite the same thing as what's being discussed. Many states, like Oregon (unsigned but numbered, like OR 120, OR 141 and parts of OR 99W), Missouri (lettered, like MO TT), Texas (Farm-Market, NASA, etc), have secondary highways/rural routes. Some states, like Oregon (auto trails), Oklahoma (All-American Roads, Scenic Roads), and Texas (Recreation Routes) have tertiary, touristically oriented networks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of any > efforts to tag them as such. Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I don't believe it exists. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpk7dI0XAhLl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-07-07
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-07-07 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-07-07/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-07-07 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
