Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Robert Kaiser
Richard Weait schrieb: Larger cleanups can be imposing at first glance. Other mappers will understand that a single mapper can't do everything at once, so you shouldn't be criticized if you fix a few things but not others. After having spent another vacation in the US (in Northern California

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: Larger cleanups can be imposing at first glance. Other mappers will understand that a single mapper can't do everything at once, so you shouldn't be criticized if you fix a few things but not

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Clay Smalley
I like this idea. That would encourage more people to TIGER-review streets, as highway=road shows up pretty ugly on Mapnik, and people like getting rid of ugly. What would be the drawbacks of doing this? It seems like there would be some but I can't think of any. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM,

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/12/2012 11:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I like that idea, especially given the high number of obviously not urban roads that would be better off tagged as track or unclassified getting counted as residential (a more urban

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Mike N
On 7/12/2012 11:43 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I was wondering if something likehttp://frontdoor.cloudapp.net/ might be a fun solution. Present some aerial imagery, the OSM data, and say is this a track or a road?. Kind of like HotOrNot for the OSM generation. (For extra efficiency, have a

[Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Dobratz
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. It seems that there are a handful of railroad enthusiast users that are systematically adding current and former railways into OSM, and in some cases re-adding railways that I have

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 07/12/2012 12:37 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: What makes railroads a special case? Do we really want a bunch of railway=abandoned Ways running directly through newly constructed runways, buildings, roads, parking lots, etc? I'm of two minds. A lot of my map projects relate to the back

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. FWIW there's been a similar discussion on talk-gb recently. The consensus seems to be railway=abandoned for railways where there's still some physical trace

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned tag and see what the community thinks about it. FWIW there's been a similar discussion on talk-gb recently. The consensus

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Mike N
On 7/12/2012 12:37 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: It seems that there are a handful of railroad enthusiast users that are systematically adding current and former railways into OSM, and in some cases re-adding railways that I have removed. I have been operating under the assumption that if a physical

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's important to separate there's a way in the db and there's a line on some render. Personally, I want to see old railway lines on the map. I find there's almost always evidence along the line, but not always at some point. So I think we need tags that are more like the USGS maps,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mike N. wrote: So they are present, and don't hurt anything. None of the 'standard maps' will bother to render them. A railway map could use them if it needed to. I delete them if they go through current buildings or parking lots also. Yes, that's a sensible attitude. I think it's also

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:27 AM, Clay Smalley wrote: I like this idea. That would encourage more people to TIGER-review streets, as highway=road shows up pretty ugly on Mapnik, and people like getting rid of ugly. What would be the drawbacks of doing this? It seems like there would be some but I can't

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/12/2012 11:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I like that idea, especially given the high number of obviously not urban roads that would be better off

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: I am of course one mapper who's been mapping former railways. (Russ Nelson is another.) There is certainly value in seeing how the current disconnected bits of railway infrastructure used to connect. I've also mapped

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:43 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: NE2, So after I bring up that I don't think railways should be drawn through buildings, and most people agree with me on that, you decide to do this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.762886lon=-71.430509zoom=18layers=M Does 86 Central Street,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 10:45 PM, Mike N wrote: On 7/12/2012 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: This is a strawman, since there will rarely be more than one former line across a small area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone wants to map all the former second tracks, sidings, and such,