Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

2016-06-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: > > > Webpages not hosted by Mapbox that are > > using Mapbox tiles with > > OSM-derived data would be responsible for > > their own attribution, so > > you'd need to contact them like with any other site. > > Actually,

Re: [Talk-us] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

2016-06-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
> Hey -- we've set up a support point for attribution issues on Mapbox > hosted maps. Let us know if you spot something, and we'll work to fix. > > (Note, we won't be handling attribution issues on non-Mapbox hosted maps) > > That's wonderful. All third party mapping providers should have a system

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Slack

2016-03-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Michal, The client code is proprietary, and the browser is just a platform from which to execute the code. It's similar to running Skype's proprietary binary on Debian. Running a proprietary application on a Free operating system does not change the freedom of the application. -Serge

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Slack

2016-03-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Martijn, I think your approach on this issue is spot on. I personally think that when a project like OSM supports non-Free software, especially ones run by external entities, it sends absolutely the wrong message. Worse still is if we force users to use these gatekeepers to interface with our

Re: [Talk-us] Removing a CDP

2015-05-20 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I agree with Rich Welty- if you know the area and the CDP boundary makes no sense, then remove it. The issue in the past has been where some people wanted to remove all of them. - Serge On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I would like to remove

Re: [Talk-us] Removing a CDP

2015-05-20 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Brad, Thank you for reminding us of what the Census office says that CDPs are. I would just add that CDPs are used in some places as de-facto cities or towns, which is why we've rejected proposals to remove them all. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] New York, Ellis Island Boundary

2015-05-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I agree, the historical boundary should be removed, but we need to be sure to show what's in what state. It's quite a little mess. - Serge On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, puzzled about

Re: [Talk-us] Happy weekend - join the #Mapathon!

2015-04-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Just want to report that the OSM NYC Meetup yesterday went great! It's a shame that I didn't know the weather today would be a so much warmer, but there's no way to plan for things like that weeks in advance... - Serge On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Alex Barth a...@openstreetmap.us wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Eleanor, I want to clarify some things: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com wrote: Paul - If perception of mapping in the US isn't aligning with reality, we probably *do* need to do a better job as a chapter board of telling the full story. I believe that the

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Russ, Replies in-line. I also mention my work in the DWG, but I'm not representing the DWG here, just reporting on what happened. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Brad Neuhauser writes: So, is the argument here that we should no longer delete features

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Serge. As a member of the chapter board, I feel a bit erased? misrepresented? by your email. It hurt, especially because I think you and I share some common ground about why we map and that it is important to feel

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Eleanor, I don't see a reason not to be public with my reply to you. I organize mapping parties during the warmer months (have one next week) and during the colder months, organize indoor mapping events. The indoor events tend to get less participants than the outdoor ones, which is surprising.

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: But the map *already* doesn't render abandoned railways, much less razed railways. C'mon, let's not conflate the renderings with OSM. I can understand if someone deletes a railway by hitting the wrong key. I can

Re: [Talk-us] user damages administrative boundaries around Rapid City

2015-03-26 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: The last thing that I would want to do is involve the Data Working Group. I'm sending this mail as a DWG member- but I'm only speaking for myself, and not on behalf of the DWG. I don't think most people realize that

Re: [Talk-us] Boundaries and verifiability (was Re: Retagging hamlets in the US)

2015-03-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Every time this boundary debate or accuracy debate comes up, I image that I am supposed to have $20,000 of GPS equipment[1]; post process the data so that it is accurate; before I dare put the data in OSM. I agree

Re: [Talk-us] Boundaries and verifiability (was Re: Retagging hamlets in the US)

2015-03-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I agree 100% with Bryce. - Serge On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The nice thing about mapping a neighborhood name as a point feature is: a) It helps people locate the neighborhood b) it completely sidesteps the question of the exact, possibly

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

2015-01-13 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Mihn, If we do any en-mass edit, there are a few things I think we want to consider: 1. Before anything else, we need to make sure it's community approved, source data and code examined and approved by the community. 2. I think that in principle this is a good idea, but we'll also encounter

Re: [Talk-us] Edits near Lexington, KY?

2014-12-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Shawn, My memory is fuzzy but there was a HS class that incorporated OSM in the curriculum in around 2009/2010. It was discussed at the first SOTM US in Atlanta. There were a number of issues with the instructional effort on all sides of the equation. For the school, they felt our tagging

Re: [Talk-us] changeset 25081346 spanning contiguous United States

2014-10-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Peter, It's great you reached out to the user. The DWG is really the best place for such complaints/concerns at this point. The email for the DWG is d...@osmfoundation.org I've forwarded your email to the DWG and you should receive a reply about it shortly from a DWG member (most likely

Re: [Talk-us] changeset 25081346 spanning contiguous United States

2014-10-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
There is... this is something I'd consider a contentious edit but not *strictly* incorrect. The author of the changeset should have consulted the US/Canadian community before making it, and if he had done so, would have seen that he should have added an operator= or some other tag indicating that

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alan, The number of edits a user names is a data point. For some people, it's an important data point, for others it may not be, but it's an interesting piece of information. By analogy, if this were a cyclist organization, I would hope that a board member had experience as a cyclist. The number

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: On Oct 3, 2014, at 08:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Sure, I get that. I’m just saying it’s at best a meaningless lens, and a misleading

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Toby, Thanks for the pointer. I think you're right that in this case especially, there's no reason to admonish anyone, but perhaps we can examine the data and see if there's a safe way to expand it, like we did the TIGER data. That may also explain some large portion of the contractions I found.

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
. So if you have expertise in Tilemill, I'd love the help in setting up some tiles that show probable abbreviations. - Serge On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
they rendered, so in this case, I'd just look for some known contractions at the end. We may change that later, but that's where I'd start. - Serge On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 7/30/2014 1:45 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if you have expertise

Re: [Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Mikel Maron mikel.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Here in Washington DC, the street names are all suffixed with the quadrant (NW, SE, SW, NE) the road lies in. The official names of the streets kept by the DC city government all use the contraction. Historically, I

[Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, After reading about the issues with Scout and problems with name expansion, I decided to do a little thinking on this issue. The short answer is that Scout (as well as other text to speech engines) should not need to be expanding values, ie E - East. The reason for this is that practice

Re: [Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Thanks to all the folks who've commented on this thread and also to the folks who contacted me off list about this. A majority of the feedback I received was very positive, which I'm thankful about. I attribute much of this to the very conservative approach that was taken last time, because there

Re: [Talk-us] How is Scout?

2014-06-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Martijn, How often would this be? If it's once every few months, that might not be so bad, but if it's more frequently, maybe Twitter would be better. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

2014-06-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
CDPs in OSM have been an ongoing issue of discussion for a while. NE2 stated that he would delete them all unless someone could show him a single example of them being useful. I pointed out that Bethesda, MD (noted for being where the NIH and the Naval Medical Academy, along with several other

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

2014-06-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Clifford, I do not like your statement in favor of deleting Bethesda from OSM. - Serge On Jun 11, 2014 4:21 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: however folks may feel about CDPs, they aren't

[Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-01 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Russ, My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than by looking at an external

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-01 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Steve, On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:34 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: After my talk, Serge and Paul (Norman) had lunch with me, and while they said that they did not represent the DWG, in fact they actually did. Serge characterized this as If a cop pulls you over and says 'I'm going

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-05-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Since there is no signage for these routes, this is an import and should be following the import guidelines. - Serge On May 31, 2014 3:19 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: OSM's USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers to help map new APPROVED United States Bicycle Routes. Please

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-05-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Ian, OpenTripPlanner can handle routing, which is a pretty core part of handling bus data. OpenTripPlanner can also be fed directly from the GTFS data from the transit authority, which simplifies updates, etc., making a really ideal choice for applications where you want to work with local

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Highly suspicious edit

2014-05-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
The DWG moderators can only block accounts on a temporary basis. DWG moderators can't make permanent blocks, or delete spam diary entries, or spam profiles (at least not at this time). The OSMF has only banned a single user AFAIK; Doing that requires intervention from the OSMF board. IME

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Being an American has nothing to do with a really bad data design. I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good way to model sidewalks. The problem (aside from the issue of data clutter) is that the sidewalk data can't be used for pedestrian routing because the information

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good way to model sidewalks. Ok, serge, well how do you address my

[Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Bill, You're right that we should map what exists on the ground. I think we need to really consider a few factors here: 1. Why we map sidewalks at all (in either style) 2. What benefits one mapping method has over another 3. The data as it exists now 1. Why map sidewalks This is a judgement

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm trying to work out how using name=* on the sidewalks isn't the easiest, most obvious answer. Because there are walking paths with names, and that's not what you're talking about. What you want is essentially a

Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity

2014-04-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I have to say that I have very mixed feelings about Burning Man being in OSM. While I think that it's interesting because the event is so large and there's potential utility, there are two things that bring me a bit of concern: 1. Based on past years, the data is added but not deleted. The event

Re: [Talk-us] Last call spring #editathon

2014-04-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
As much as I love when people use MapRoulette, OSM NYC will be holding a mapping party this upcoming weekend. - Serge On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Alex Barth a...@openstreetmap.us wrote: This weekend the annual OpenStreetMap spring #editathon takes place in the US. Are you planning to

Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism in NYC - reverted

2014-04-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alex (or anyone else), If you find vandalism like this, please do not email DWG members individually, but instead, you should: 1. Free free to revert it. You do not need permission to do so. 2. Message the user through the OSM message system 3. If you want help, please email

Re: [Talk-us] mappy hour tonight, 8:30pm eastern time

2014-03-24 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Richard asked me to start the hangout. The URL is: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpifm4a9c1h4a4l7ef511218?hl=en - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alex, Some of the points you continue to make are patently false. 1. There is more open data coming online by the day and we are not compatible Let's take this apart. If the data is open, by which you mean that it would fall into something like the definition of freedomdefined.org, then there

Re: [Talk-us] FW: Report of Explosion, Building Collapse in Manhattan

2014-03-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I saw smoke from my apartment, but I was going to wait to go over there until the smoke cleared and they'd handled any hazards. - Serge On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Russell Deffner russdeff...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone want to individually figure out the building and update in OSM? =Russ

Re: [Talk-us] FW: Report of Explosion, Building Collapse in Manhattan

2014-03-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Ian, are you going to manually survey the location to see if there's any secondary damage? - Serge On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Russell Deffner russdeff...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone want to individually figure out the

Re: [Talk-us] historic schools (amenity=school; name= * (historical)

2014-03-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
All gnis objects that are (historical) are no longer present and should be removed. - Serge On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Theodin theo...@posteo.de wrote: Hi fellow mappers, While doing some TIGER cleanup, I often stumble over historical schools tagged as: amenity=school name=some small

Re: [Talk-us] historic schools (amenity=school; name= * (historical)

2014-03-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Theodin theo...@posteo.de wrote: OK. It says the same on the GNIS-Wiki-page so Im going to do that in the future. Although it might be a valid information for history-buffs to get an image of how things were. We don't store historical information in OSM. There

Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I agree with Alex and Paul here. It would be ideal to say Oh we can replicate the functionality of a user calendar- that's absolutely true. The discovery functionality is what's not replicatable. I've had one user here in NYC who does not wish to participate on the meetup because he doesn't want

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

2013-12-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Ian, I had a working list of this stuff, partially built from Paul Norman's list and partially built from Wikipedia. If you tell me a place and a format, I can convert it to that. - Serge On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I get this question a lot during

Re: [Talk-us] Currently available good GPS for use with OSM mapping in the USA?

2013-11-25 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I've used two eTrex GPS units (an old one and a relatively new one), a Columbus v900 (the voice recorder that Russ mentioned), and I've used OSMTracker for Android. The v900 is super cool, and cheap, but my experience with it was that it took forever to lock in, and when it did- it was pretty

Re: [Talk-us] Advice On Data Removal Problem

2013-11-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: So there is a fairly new mapper in the Phoenix area removing valid data. I would like advice on what to do. I don't to want dampen this mapper's efforts. However, another mapper has complained to me about the problem

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US: CDPs

2013-11-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: (I realize that in Alaska there are some areas where CDPs seem to matter.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda%2C_Maryland - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US

2013-11-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
The answer to your Where is the line is actually quite a simple question... We have a logical inconsistency right now. We tell people that OSM contains a map of verifiable things. In fact, we remove things which are not observable! But political(administrative) boundaries are an exception to

Re: [Talk-us] Public Labs/balloon mapping?

2013-10-28 Thread Serge Wroclawski
As others have said, balloon mapping is wonderful, it's great, it's awesome, it's everything cool, but the field of vision one gets from a kite or balloon is quite narrow. Planes or satellites are much higher up and so can capture much larger areas, while drones can (baring any legal

[Talk-us] NYC Import Kickoff Tomorrow!

2013-10-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, If you live in or around New York City, please join us for the OSM NYC Building and Address Import Kickoff Tomorrow: http://www.meetup.com/osm-nyc/events/143967422/ This event will be our official launch of importing the one million buildings from the New York City government dataset

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-09-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: To recap and hopefully move forwards, I'm bringing this up again. From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal Hi all, I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's

Re: [Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Serge, - If there are two tags for the feature id, we should pick one and change the other one. There aren't two tags for feature_id, there's only feature_id. This UUID tag appears to be related to the

[Talk-us] GNIS tag removal proposal

2013-08-20 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, I've been looking at the GNIS data and it's quite a mess. As a step towards cleaning up the mess, I'd like to discuss removing some extranious gnis tags in the editors (just as we do with TIGER and other tags). I would like to suggest that the editors remove the following tags entirely:

[Talk-us] Walking Party in NYC on Saturday

2013-08-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, I don't like to spam the entire list about local events, but there hasn't been an announcement from NYC in white a while. We're having a Walking Party tomorrow, and if you're interested, please sign up. It should be a good time! http://www.meetup.com/osm-nyc/events/134530942/ - Serge

Re: [Talk-us] Spammy-sounding survey sent to my OSM inbox today.

2013-07-28 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Editing logs are there. But demographic information (the bulk of padeshahekhoban's survey) is not recorded by OSM. We have no idea who most mappers are. You have the same issue with pretty much any project, whether

Re: [Talk-us] How did this weekend's editathon go? (was Re: Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US)

2013-07-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
NYC went well, we had about seven people show up for a mapping party in Brooklyn. We had a good mix of existing mappers, new mappers, and a new convert- someone whose been mapping prolifically recenly but doesn't have much connection with the community. - Serge

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: We need publicity! Yes! Publicity is in my opinion one of the biggest things we need and should try and work on as a group. I wish this was the case, but it's not. I'll elaborate. Looking at the data, it is clear that

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: This doesn't have to wait for funding, or permission! There are hundreds of OpenStreetMap ambassadors reading this list, right now. Are

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Similarly, when the Washington Post covered the local DC hackerspace, we had two people stop in at the space (only two!) and neither of them joined. I'm not sure that two events are enough data points to state that

Re: [Talk-us] Edit-a-thon promotion

2013-07-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Indeed, I'll reach out to them. OSM NYC is planning on mapping Hurricane Sandy damage (I was planning on a trip to Wall Street to scope out locations). I'll reach out to these folks and see what they say. - Serge On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

2013-07-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:39 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrot It's that Monday again! I know this has been raised as an issue here before, but are we any closer to answering: Is there an online (audio/video) venue which has less onerous Terms of Service than Google's? A way to

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Mark Newnham m...@newnhams.com wrote: a. Both Google and Openstreetmap don't know anything about actual addresses in the US. For reverse geocode purposes, they just guess based on the approximate lat/long location. b. An easy example to show you is

[Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I am not sure what this means in rural areas, but in urban places, hamlets are often just places like apartment complexes, or other nondescript places. They don't rise to the prominence of even a neighborhood (putting aside

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think this varies state-to-state. the following applies to NY. hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions. in urban areas, hamlets are generally once distinct communities that have been

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 6/21/2013 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. I would say

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared

2013-06-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Frederik, Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints. I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them. First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a hack day,

Re: [Talk-us] Parking rendering

2013-06-14 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: (I switched to talk-us for this reply because it doesn't touch on import issues) I don't think it's so much a bug in the stylesheet as much as a bug in the world we're trying to map. Many cities simply have excessive

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I agree that most neighborhood boundaries are subjective. Of the cities I've lived in, some neighborhoods are clearly define, usually by natural or man made artifacts, others are definitely fluid. When importing

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: These are *your* answer these questions. I disagree with your conclusion on #2, for reasons outlined. Let's not get personal here... I don't see how any of the discussions here have addressed some basic questions, so

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-11 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hiya, I am not proposing an import, but a local MapRoulette challenge might work where people with local knowledge accept / reject proposed neighborhood points, or something along those lines. I think neighborhoods are

Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks

2013-05-28 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Mike, There are multiple components to this situation, but I want to start with the most timely and important, not so much for you, as for others in the US community who might be unaware of the situation in its complexities. Paul Norman is not a rogue mapper, he is a member of the DWG, OSM's

[Talk-us] Mapping Party in NYC Next Sunday

2013-05-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hey all, Just in case anyone here is in/around NYC and isn't aware of the mapping party next week: http://www.meetup.com/osm-nyc/events/118375942/ Whether you're a new mapper or an experienced mapper, you should join us! - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundary level quirk in NYC

2013-05-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Clay, Thank you for bringing this up. I have a number of thoughts on this issue, so it may take me a bit to get to the proposal in your email. First, I think that this is a good illustration of why some of us would like all administrative data taken out of OSM and moved into another dataset. The

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Expansion Bot Complete

2013-04-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
. The rest may be looked at in the future. Toby On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: That's amazing, Serge. Should we blog about this on OSM.us? On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On 04/25/2013 02:31 PM, Serge

[Talk-us] TIGER Expansion Bot Complete

2013-04-25 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi all, The TIGER expansion bot is complete. There was a lot to do (more object than the Redaction bot), and with this process, there was a lot to learn about efficiently making so many changes. But it's done, and we're now in a much better position for any future bots we'd like to run. I do

Re: [Talk-us] NYC neighborhood data

2013-04-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Kushal welcome to OSM. Please feel free to improve our data, while adding the neighbourhoods as a first project is going to result in a fairly steep learning curve for you, it is certainly doable. Hi Kushal, I'd suggest that

Re: [Talk-us] Updating unchanged TIGER imports to TIGER 2013

2013-03-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Eric, I'm in general favor of your idea. I think that if we can get more accurate, up to date data out of TIGER, then we should. I'd strongly encourage you to join us on the OSM US Import Committee list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports-us - Serge

Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM 2

2013-02-25 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Looks very pretty, and I think this would be a great thing to have on the new US servers! One small styling thing... It's sometimes a bit hard to read the text. Could you replace the white halo with a black one, maybe? - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] Doodle on next US Import Committee Meeting

2013-02-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Sorry about the long delay in getting this meeting scheduled, I've been dealing with some big personal stuff at home. I want us to get on a regular meeting, especially now that the Kansas country work is done. I have worked a bit on the document I promised to draft for guidelines, and now, Ian

Re: [Talk-us] Doodle on next US Import Committee Meeting

2013-02-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Ugg, wrong list again. I'm sorry all. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] parcel boundaries and associated data in OSM

2013-02-15 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Brian Cavagnolo bcavagn...@gmail.com wrote: We really want a nationwide consolidated, standard parcel database to build upon. This idea is [obviously] inspired by OSM. And my immediate thought was, Fun! Let's add parcel data to OSM! How do we do that?

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
This issue has come up before and the problem is that it falls through the cracks of OSM's governing bodies. The DWG often handles issues of vandalism or copyright violation, but NE2's edits are neither obvious vandalism, nor direct copyright violations as far as anyone can tell. But this type

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: I don't agree. NE2’s edits, most of all the route relations, are enormously valuable to OSM in the US. I'm not aware of any precedent for banning a user like this, and I'm not eager to see one set. Mike, Your

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: His malice is encapsulated in his inability to work with other people. Furthermore, he makes mass edits. There are not edits that one can accomplish simply by hand. He is doing many thousands of edits, and we have evidence

[Talk-us] Why you should attend a hack weekend

2013-02-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Folks, This is a very large project, with over a million user accounts, and tens of thousand of active mappers around the world, but we have a relatively small developer community for such a large project. If you've worked on some OSM related code, or are interested in contributing code to

Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi Paul I was basically alone starting the Seattle group for many months. We had a lot of churn (one person come one month, then a different person the next…) Exactly. MappingDC, when we started it, was four people, and

[Talk-us] Import Committee Meeting tonight on Google+

2013-01-29 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hey all, A quick reminder that there will be an Import Committee meeting tonight at 8:30 on Google Hangout. The topic will be catching up from last year, the current import we have on the table to work with, improved documentation and new imports. If you're interested in joining, please drop me

Re: [Talk-us] Import Committee Meeting tonight on Google+

2013-01-29 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: hi Serge Are you saying 8:30 Eastern? and this is the new US imports committee? will the discussion be available afterwards? Yes, EST. This is the new US Import Committee, though it may be a short meeting based on the folks

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Edit-a-thon January 26th

2013-01-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: No problem. What would folks think of making this a semi-organized quarterly thing? Monthly is probably too frequent, but quarterly might be the right pace. I have a few thoughts on this. First, I think

Re: [Talk-us] OSM-edit-a-thon, Growing US User Groups/Communities

2013-01-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I'm giving my .02 here based on my experience. Obviously everyone's experience will differ, and I'd love to hear from folks with long established communities in North America. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:16 PM, william skora skorasau...@gmail.com wrote: Given Cleveland's population relative to

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: For example, requiring that any data imported into OSM have a lifetime maintenance plan seems like something that we don't require of *any* OSM data entry. I don't think that we've discussed a lifetime mainteince plan anywhere,

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: So there too, is a potential win for OSM. We could rely on current, highly accurate public domain boundry data and use that for rendering, geolocation and other places, while keeping it out of the OSM dataset. Please

[Talk-us] Import Committee Mailing List

2013-01-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi folks, We finally have the new mailing list set up for the import committee as discussed in December. Initially I'd like to ask for folks to join who are interested in participating as committee members. Committee members will be the folks working with potential importers and will be

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