Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-02-03 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I added the takeaway from this discussion to the wiki: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag% > 3Aboundary%3Dnational_park=revision=1424102=1373291 > > Feel free to amend as necessary. > > I made an

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I added the takeaway from this discussion to the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aboundary%3Dnational_park=revision=1424102=1373291 Feel free to amend as necessary. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Greg Troxel wrote: > Around me (amusingly as we discuss British influence on tagging) > is "Minuteman National Historic Park". This is not a "National Park", > but it has the same kind rangers in the same uniforms, the same > kinds of rules, and is managed to preserve the historic landscape

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-31 Thread Greg Troxel
To me the biggest point is that having a tag "boundary=national_park" in OSM that is somehow tied to exactly which flavor of park administered by exactly which government *in the US* seems broken. The general OSM model is to have tags that have some meaning that can reasonably be applied

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Jack Burke
I, for one, loved the points you made about sovereignty. -jack -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology On January 30, 2017 11:23:25 PM EST, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: >Apologies, Ian. I did mention that my VERY brief digression into state >sovereignty

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Ian Dees
No apologies needed, folks. I appreciate the time you put into these replies and I know we're all passionate about this stuff (otherwise we wouldn't be here). Keep up the good work! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Apologies, Ian. I did mention that my VERY brief digression into state sovereignty was recognizably "not on a political forum" and intentionally brought the topic back to "OSM and tagging standards." The intent was to clarify that states (New York, California...) do designate wilderness

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
Sorry for the digression. I was attempting to present the theory by which I chose tags for various closely related objects. In particular, the Blue Ridge Parkway might get 'boundary=protected_area protect_class=21 protection_object=recreation', if I understand the object of its existence. Since

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Ian Dees
Hi folks, Remember to keep our messages on topic, please. We probably don't need to have back-and-forths about state sovereignty on a thread about the Blue Ridge Parkway. Thanks, Your friendly mailing list moderator ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hello again, Kevin: On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > The use of UK English as the OSM standard gets in the way (of boundary=national_park) > here, since > the UK has nothing that's a direct parallel to a state park. States of > the US at least

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > The boundary=national_park tag has seen much use and abuse over many years. > Perhaps because it renders as green dashes, it was inappropriately used (and > is today?) for state parks and other

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Long post alert, apologies in advance. You might jump to the last paragraph, beginning "stated succinctly." I applaud efforts and discussion I see here regarding subtle distinctions between Blue Ridge Parkway being not a National Park per se, but rather a "park area" administered by the same

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Mike Thompson
> > > > Is our definition of national park different than Wikipedia's, or should > one of the two be changed? > It is a "National Heritage Area"[1]which is under the jurisdiction of the US National Park Service. While it is not a "National Park" in the formal U.S. sense it is a "national park" in

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Also see "But is the Blue Ridge Parkway a National Park?" on the Blue Ridge FAQ: https://www.nps.gov/blri/planyourvisit/np-versus-nf.htm According to that it is a "National Park Service area" but not a park. The NPS makes this distinction on their nomenclature page (

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Clifford Snow
According to NPS it is a park. [1] https://www.nps.gov/maps/full.html?mapId=e212fcb5-4ff9-4787-bbe4-3d40cc0d0daa#9/36.8412/-80.6506 You just can't trust Wikipedia. maybe they should start citing OSM instead of those old pesky books. On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Frederik Ramm

[Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I stumbled across the Blue Ridge Parkway in OSM (you learn something new every day, that's one of the things I like so much about OSM). I noticed that Wikipedia has: "The parkway, while not a National Park, has been the most visited unit of the National Park System every year since