Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-30 Thread stevea
Albert Pundt wrote: > It seems another editor by the name of Fluffy89502 is going around doing > similar edits all over the US, even demoting divided, multi-lane roads. Other > users have commented on his changesets and he cites the wiki's wording. Ugh, I don't like to complain about specific

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-29 Thread Jmapb
On 9/28/2020 10:10 PM, Albert Pundt wrote: It seems another editor by the name of Fluffy89502 is going around doing similar edits all over the US, even demoting divided, multi-lane roads. Other users have commented on his changesets and he cites the wiki's wording. Yeah when I saw this topic I

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
Sep 29, 2020, 11:15 by burke...@gmail.com: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:35 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us > wrote: > >> >> 29 wrz 2020, 02:02 od b...@mapwise.com: >> >> An example unhelpful comment: >> >> "YES GEORGIA IS BADLY-TAGGED TRUNK FREE! Control is provided by >> floridaeditor;

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-29 Thread Jack Burke
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:35 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us wrote: > > 29 wrz 2020, 02:02 od b...@mapwise.com: > > An example unhelpful comment: > > "YES GEORGIA IS BADLY-TAGGED TRUNK FREE! Control is provided by > floridaeditor; i.e., if anybody tries to change one back I will review

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
29 wrz 2020, 02:02 od b...@mapwise.com: > An example unhelpful comment: > >     "> YES GEORGIA IS BADLY-TAGGED TRUNKFREE! Control is provided > by floridaeditor; i.e., if anybodytries to change one back I will > review the edit and keep/revertas needed." > > WTF >

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Albert Pundt
It seems another editor by the name of Fluffy89502 is going around doing similar edits all over the US, even demoting divided, multi-lane roads. Other users have commented on his changesets and he cites the wiki's wording. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:54 PM Mike N wrote: > Based on some likely

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Mike N
Based on some likely Wiki-Fiddling, I'd like to see the Trunk road comments about the US tagging cleaned up to match reality. (I realize that is harder than just reverting to a previous point in time). ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:02 PM Brian May wrote: > > I'm Florida based, have seen Floridaeditor's changes and noticed an eagerness > to change a lot of road classifications. I didn't pay a lot of attention > until now. Of course, trunk can be a tricky one, but if you got one lone guy > on a

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Brian May
I'm Florida based, have seen Floridaeditor's changes and noticed an eagerness to change a lot of road classifications. I didn't pay a lot of attention until now. Of course, trunk can be a tricky one, but if you got one lone guy on a mission who is arguing with everyone along the path,

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
I totally support reverting Floridaeditor's changes in order to restore all these divided highways to trunk status. I believe that floridaeditor has been given the opportunity to participate in this discussion, right? On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 3:54 PM Jack Burke wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > > We've always tagged non interstate freeways as motorways. They are often > designed to interstate standards and there is literally no distinction > between them and interstate freeways except that there's no interstate shield. > > As for

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
Oh lol, I didn't even realize my phone autocorrected trunk to Trump. Oops! xD On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 12:21 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild > wrote: > > Many of his downgrading from Trump to primary were completely > unjustified. > > Oh, $LC_DEITY,

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > Many of his downgrading from Trump to primary were completely unjustified. Oh, $LC_DEITY, autocorrupt in 2020! (I'd have loved to have downgraded Trump in the primary, but this year he was unopposed.) Yeah, I know, you meant 'trunk'. --

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
We've always tagged non interstate freeways as motorways. They are often designed to interstate standards and there is literally no distinction between them and interstate freeways except that there's no interstate shield. As for Floridaeditor's edits, I noticed him doing this awhile ago, but

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/28/20 12:39 PM, Jack Burke wrote: > Related: if it's I-## or I-###, shouldn't it be a highway=motorway, > period? (Unless those, for some reason, are ever *not* freeways?) in the lower 48, most of the time an Interstate designation is a motorway. but there can be exceptions.

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
1. I agree with Paul that the US definitely does have trunk roads. High-speed dual carriageways with some grade crossings, or 'super twos,' both qualify. (See (3) for the counterargument about 'importance to the highway network.') 2. The network and route number do not reliably identify the

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/28/20 12:39 PM, Jack Burke wrote: >   I *am* trying to say that they should be highway=trunk.  My > use of the term "freeway" to describe them was artistic in nature, to > describe how it feels actually driving on them.   That's all. sometimes, such as in NYS, the formal road classification

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 28/09/2020 12.27, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 28/09/2020 11.42, Jack Burke wrote: I'm willing to bet that most OSM editors who drive on either of those two will think "this is a great freeway, just with occasional traffic signals." That's

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:02 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:42 AM Jack Burke wrote: >> >> On Monday, September 28, 2020, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> Georgia 400 is a grade-separated, divided, high-speed freeway from its >> southern endpoint at I 85, all the way to where

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:21 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On 9/28/20 11:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Given NE2 was also in Flordia, I wouldn't rule out it's the same person. > > I was considering the same possibility. Given he's been indefinitely > banned from editing, if we find out it is him

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 9/28/20 11:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > Given NE2 was also in Flordia, I wouldn't rule out it's the same person. I was considering the same possibility. Given he's been indefinitely banned from editing, if we find out it is him doing this, should the project consider legal action? This is rather

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Monday, September 28, 2020, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM Matthew Woehlke > wrote: > >> On 28/09/2020 11.42, Jack Burke wrote: >> > I'm willing to bet that most OSM editors who drive on either of those >> two >> > will think "this is a great freeway, just with

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 28/09/2020 11.42, Jack Burke wrote: > > I'm willing to bet that most OSM editors who drive on either of those two > > will think "this is a great freeway, just with occasional traffic > signals." > > That's an oxymoron. Freeways are,

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 28/09/2020 11.42, Jack Burke wrote: I'm willing to bet that most OSM editors who drive on either of those two will think "this is a great freeway, just with occasional traffic signals." That's an oxymoron. Freeways are, by definition, limited access (no crossing intersections, period) and

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:42 AM Jack Burke wrote: > > > On Monday, September 28, 2020, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jack Burke wrote: >> >>> Recently, someone has taken it on himself to downgrade most (all?) >>> highway=trunk roads in the eastern U.S. to just

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Jack Burke
On Monday, September 28, 2020, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jack Burke wrote: > >> Recently, someone has taken it on himself to downgrade most (all?) >> highway=trunk roads in the eastern U.S. to just primary. The odd >> thing is that the very wiki page he cites as his

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jack Burke wrote: > Recently, someone has taken it on himself to downgrade most (all?) > highway=trunk roads in the eastern U.S. to just primary. The odd > thing is that the very wiki page he cites as his reason fully supports > keeping them as trunk. Many of

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Mike N
On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Jack Burke wrote: I'm on Slack, and I originally posted a comment about this editor on some roads in Florida (that I'm familiar with), but the responses I saw seemed to be somewhat "meh" so I didn't pursue it. There are so many small arguments "this is a trunk" "no, a

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-28 Thread Mike N
On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Jack Burke wrote: and he has a diary entry about what he's doing (in addition to what he has on his profile page about it). He changed*every single* trunk road in Georgia to primary, and from what I can tell, in Florida, too. I haven't yet expanded my examination into

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-27 Thread Jack Burke
Clifford, If I'm going to name names, I may as well include a few relevant links, too. The editor in question is "floridaeditor" https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floridaeditor and he has a diary entry about what he's doing (in addition to what he has on his profile page about it). He changed

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-27 Thread Clifford Snow
Jack, First off - lets name names. Who is this person? We did have a discussion on Slack a while back about an editor changing trunk to something other than trunk. As far as I know we were successful in reverting many of those. Not everyone is comfortable using Slack and I understand. However,

[Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

2020-09-27 Thread Jack Burke
Hi all, Recently, someone has taken it on himself to downgrade most (all?) highway=trunk roads in the eastern U.S. to just primary. The odd thing is that the very wiki page he cites as his reason fully supports keeping them as trunk. Many of them I'm personally familiar with, and even absent