Being an American has nothing to do with a really bad data design.
I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good
way to model sidewalks.
The problem (aside from the issue of data clutter) is that the
sidewalk data can't be used for pedestrian routing because the
information
2014-05-08 11:58 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
Being an American has nothing to do with a really bad data design.
I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good
way to model sidewalks.
+1, agree, my main concern is that as pedestrian you can actually
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:58 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been an American 35 years and I think this is really not a good
way to model sidewalks.
Ok, serge, well how do you address my
On Thu, 2014-05-08 at 05:58 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
The problem (aside from the issue of data clutter) is that the
sidewalk data can't be used for pedestrian routing because the
information about the street is not captured. You can't tell someone
to follow Main Street, because the path
2014-05-08 17:46 GMT+02:00 James Umbanhowar jumba...@gmail.com:
Could this problem be alleviated with a tag on the separately mapped
footway, e.g. road_name? Or even just addr:street?
why not make it simple and use name? As long as the sidewalk is part of
the road this would be correct.
As an American, I'd say tracing out the sidewalk is perfectly legitimate,
considering jaywalking laws that typically apply in locations with
sidewalks, the total non universal nature of sidewalks.
On May 1, 2014 11:40 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:
It is my understanding that in the
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
As an American, I'd say tracing out the sidewalk is perfectly legitimate,
considering jaywalking laws that typically apply in locations with
sidewalks, the total non universal nature of sidewalks.
+1
--
@osm_seattle
Here in Nashville TN, sidewalks in some business districts alternate every few
yards between having concrete extend all of the way to the curb, and having
planted strips with grass, flowers, and small trees between the sidewalk and
the curb. It would be rather tedious to have the tagging have
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in downtown Burlington,VT
tracing the sidewalks and calling them footways. Which wouldn't be a
problem if footways weren't so cartographically distinct in everyone's
stylesheets:
Certainly your first move should be to contact the user, gently point
her/him to the consensus method for tagging sidewalks, and ask the mapper
to correct their work. Hopefully, an appeal to enlightened self-interest as
well as the quality of the map, will prevail.
-- SEJ
-- twitter: @geomantic
Hi
I think highway=footway for a sidewalk is 100% ok. Also I get the
impression that the tagging is not settled yet either.
Jason
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014, William Morris wboyk...@geosprocket.com
wrote:
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User
Wait, what is the consensus method for tagging sidewalks? I haven't done a
lot of them but I know I've added a few as footways myself.
Toby
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.comwrote:
Certainly your first move should be to contact the user, gently point
On 4/30/2014 11:38 AM, William Morris wrote:
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in downtown Burlington,VT
tracing the sidewalks and calling them footways.
It does add a great deal of clutter to those maps that
* Mike N nice...@att.net [140430 18:21]:
On 4/30/2014 11:38 AM, William Morris wrote:
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in downtown Burlington,VT
tracing the sidewalks and calling them footways.
It does add a
On 04/30/2014 11:38 AM, William Morris wrote:
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in downtown Burlington,VT
tracing the sidewalks and calling them footways. Which wouldn't be a
problem if footways weren't so
This is not the OSMF becoming involved in tagging :-) I'm guilty of
quite a bit of sidewalk mapping, even though I have some sympathy for a
generalized approach (adding a tag to the main road way). In reality, at
least here, this tends not to model the actual topology particularly
well. I do a
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I do that too - but only when the sidewalk is really physically separate
from the main roadway.
So I would add a separate highway=footway here: http://binged.it/1fttMse
But not here: http://binged.it/1heqqnR
Generally - don't map for the renderer. If there is a clear use case and
the data
I have to apologize for using my @openstreetmap.us email address for the
previous message - I only mean to use that for when I have something to
communicate on behalf of the US chapter.
Martijn
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Martijn van Exel mart...@openstreetmap.us
wrote:
I do that too -
Just to clarify, Martijn, are you saying example #1 is physically separate
because there's a curb *and* a grassy median in between the street and
sidewalk, but example #2 is not physically separate because there's only a
curb in between? As a pedestrian, I would hope that a curb would be
Toby Murray-2 wrote
Wait, what is the consensus method for tagging sidewalks? I haven't done a
lot of them but I know I've added a few as footways myself.
I have struggled with how best to map sidewalks in the US as well. In
european cities my impression is that sidewalks are generally directly
For me, there needs to be a physical separation that is more than just a
curb between roadway and sidewalk to map it separately - like the grassy
median in example 1 - but I don't claim any authority on the matter. If I
were less lazy, I might also map the ones that just have a curb separating
In Baltimore, I've refrained from tracing too many sidewalks, except when
the sidewalk is part of one the the signed city paths. I have noticed that
routing that uses OSM (like Strava) tends to choke if all the ways are not
there, and also if there are overlapping segments without a node.
I like
Personally, I like to treat most sidewalks that are close to and basically
parallel the same as attached ones. IE. both of Martijn's examples tagged
as part of the roadway way. I would save the separate footpath highways
for when it isn't a typical sidewalk.
Wider exercise paths that are also
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 06:43:31PM -0400, Dale Puch wrote:
Personally, I like to treat most sidewalks that are close to and basically
parallel the same as attached ones. IE. both of Martijn's examples tagged
as part of the roadway way. I would save the separate footpath highways
for when it
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
It does add a great deal of clutter to those maps that render footways.
But for those who wish to be able to use OSM data for accurate pedestrian
or handicapped routing, the only way is to draw all the sidewalks, curb
cuts,
Definitely 3, perhaps option 2 if you want rationale (hint: advanced
pedestrian routing).
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:38 AM, William Morris
wboyk...@geosprocket.comwrote:
Is there a general OSM policy on marking sidewalks as highway=footway?
User dolphinling appears to have gone crazy in
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