Re: [Talk-us] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-13 Thread Tod Fitch
Agree that they are addresses and probably some use of the normal address tags would make sense. Since I sent out the query to this list I've been mulling over setting adds:street=CampgroundName and addr:housenumber=SiteNumber on each of those. The service roads leading to them are not named

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-14 Thread Tod Fitch
Looks like the proposed way of marking campsites within a campground is described at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_lots which involves setting nodes at the individual sites tagged with camp_site=lot and lot:number=* I see only 61 instances

Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Tod Fitch
I agree that getting mom pop websites to use OSM will help a lot in getting people aware of of the project and primed to assist. But that is not possible now. There are two things needed for any mom pop site to use OSM: 1. Some quick, easy no hassle way to embed a slippery map. 2. Routing

Re: [Talk-us] access restriction, water only: How to tag?

2013-07-26 Thread Tod Fitch
While I can't point to an example, I believe I've seen some state park campsites that actually have a legal restriction against being accessed by land. It might be that the terrain is considered too dangerous (park does not want to assume liability for injuries), too ecologically sensitive or

Re: [Talk-us] osm data on boston.com, perhaps, definitely not atttributed

2013-08-30 Thread Tod Fitch
I've changed a web page from using an embedded Google map using the Share with HTML option from http://www.openstreetmap.org/ having selected the tiles to be from Mapquest and found that it embeds exactly like that, without the OSM attribution. Seems like if you do it from OSM the attribution

Re: [Talk-us] Best way to tag a campground/site?

2013-09-22 Thread Tod Fitch
Based on my reading of the OSM wiki pages for tourism=camp_site and tourism=caravan_site, I think the typical USFS and US NPS campgrounds should be tagged tourism=camp_site. On the camp_site page we have A campsite or campground is an area, usually divided into a number of pitches, where

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-14 Thread Tod Fitch
The latter (after) version matches the traffic signal wiki http://wiki.openstreetmaps.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals#Tag_all_incoming_ways It makes sense to me and is the way I prefer. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-15 Thread Tod Fitch
People will map as they see fit and, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it is not possible to correct all instances of all variations. That said, the wiki is replete with guidance on preferred tagging for various features so it is not out of line to work toward a preferred method of

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

2013-10-15 Thread Tod Fitch
was present at the above direction, would there have to be two traffic signal for the up-and-down two-way road? Saikrishna Arcot On Tue 15 Oct 2013 03:14:13 PM EDT, Tod Fitch wrote: People will map as they see fit and, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it is not possible to correct all

[Talk-us] Highway classification questions

2013-10-15 Thread Tod Fitch
ref: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/California#Highway_types and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging Specific questions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/37.38554/-122.05217 Should Central Expressway be marked as primary rather than trunk at this point? The

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

2013-10-16 Thread Tod Fitch
The only freeways I've looked at (I-5, I-10, I-15, CA-85), all in California, have relations for the direction and then a super relation for whole thing. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, What is the preferred way to

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

2013-10-17 Thread Tod Fitch
One could argue that even two lane highways could benefit from directional relations. http://shields.aaroads.com/blog/photos/056747.jpg It is unlikely that all access to these types of roads could be tagged. And it might be nice if the routing software says you should be on US 101 South and

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

2013-10-17 Thread Tod Fitch
True also of the westbound Ventura Freeway in Los Angeles which is officially US101 North. There is a portion of I10 through Phoenix which runs north/south too. Tod -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: The direction of a US Interstate

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

2013-10-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On 10/17/2013 1:03 PM, Richard Welty wrote: If my GPS tells me to turn right at the entrance to East Interstate Whatever and the sign says North Interstate Whatever, I'm going to be confused and wonder if I'm actually making the correct

Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-15 Thread Tod Fitch
If those KDOT signs are near Meades Ranch then they are likely correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meades_Ranch%2C_Kansas -- Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity. Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013, wrote: Seeing as how the “official”

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Tod Fitch
On Tue, November 26, 2013 1:57 pm, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:30:25PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward'

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

2013-12-11 Thread Tod Fitch
I'd tagged a Dollar General and a Family Dollar as shop=convenience but based on Russ's comment decided to change them to variety_store. After I did that, I wondered what the predominate tagging was. First cut was to use taginfo to find all the objects with a name of 'Dollar General' (295 at this

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Peter Davies wrote: Kerry snip It's also perfectly fine if we want to keep all of the secondary designators in the ways' ref tags, as long as the most important one is presented first. We can easily ignore the less important numbers. But without a way ref

Re: [Talk-us] Quick intro and request to contribute

2014-01-13 Thread Tod Fitch
US101 on the Cuesta Grade north of SLO needs checking. The maxspeed values on US101 to the CA58 interchange and on CA58 east to CA33 I did recently on one of my trips south. But I did not split US101 where I got off and so the values south of that interchange on US101 are from my tagging to the

Re: [Talk-us] Help needed with polygon/membership of admin area in Willits, CA

2014-01-26 Thread Tod Fitch
Looks like the administrative boundary relation for Willits has four separate unconnected areas. (Right click on the boundary relation and download unloaded members, select relation members and then zoom to selection is what I did) I don't know enough about Willits to know if this is correct

Re: [Talk-us] importing zip codes

2014-02-22 Thread Tod Fitch
at 6:15 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: The USPS has a web site for giving ZIP and ZIP+4 values for specified addresses at https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction!input.action?mode=0refresh=true As near as I can tell from the TOS at http://about.usps.com/termsofuse.htm

[Talk-us] Better routing through better tagging?

2014-03-29 Thread Tod Fitch
Hi, My experience the using OSM based routing has been that if the end points have good identifiers (names or addresses) and the roads are properly tagged, especially with correct maxspeed=* values, then the routes selected by http://www.yournavigation.org/index.php or

[Talk-us] Fwd: [agade] WEBS: Digitized maps

2014-04-07 Thread Tod Fitch
This might be of interest: Original Message Subject: [agade] WEBS: Digitized maps Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 10:29:22 -0500 From: Jack Sasson jack.m.sas...@vanderbilt.edu Reply-To: Jack Sasson jack.m.sas...@vanderbilt.edu To: The Agade mailing list.

Re: [Talk-us] Marking of turn:lanes in the cases of an implied right turn

2014-06-24 Thread Tod Fitch
When tagging turn lanes I was taking my cue from the actual painted markings on the pavement. For your example where the right lane can go either straight or turn right but there are no markings, I've been tagging as left||| I haven't used none as the examples I took for my guide did not use

Re: [Talk-us] Tags used for routing

2014-07-18 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 18, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I am not sure if this list is monitored by the maintainers of routing engines that use OSM? I wanted to draw attention to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing. This page seemed to have very little bearing on

Re: [Talk-us] (Was) How is Scout?

2014-07-18 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I actively dislike lanes=* on oneway=no situations, except as a checksum, because you're forcing renderers to make assumptions about placement and directionality: if it's two way, tag lanes:forward and lanes:backward, and use placement:*=* as

[Talk-us] Quest for foolish consistency

2014-08-09 Thread Tod Fitch
While visiting some relatives in a small town (actually only really a CDP but there is a post office and the county maintains a court house and sheriffs station here) I have been doing morning walks to collect address data and to verify street names per the county placed signage. The Tiger

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Fitch
+1 to this. While mapping areas near my folks where I grew up there are lots of dirt roads and there are lots of tracks and they are different. In that area, in my opinion, a dirt road will have regular maintenance sufficient for passage by a family car and, generally but not always, be wide

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Tod Fitch
Seems to me that if a bot could easily to this then a router could do it without having a bot go through and tag things. I'd change the rules posted just a little. If… 1) Tagged with tiger:reviewed=no 2) Tagged with highway=residential 3) Missing name=* Then consider same as highway=service

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm

[Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-08 Thread Tod Fitch
Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to roads with a posted speed limit. But here in California most residential roads are not posted, instead there is a state wide prima facie limit: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22352.htm I am considering tagging the unsigned speed limit on

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-08 Thread Tod Fitch
to the next. So I think the source attribution should allow for differences between states for the same class of road. Thus my suggestion for source:maxspeed=US:CA:residential for tagging in my area. On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tod Fitch t

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Guertin wrote: On 09/08/2014 05:27 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: [...] instead there is a state wide prima facie limit: source:maxspeed=US:CA:residential [...] My state doesn't have such a limit, but my city does. Supposing I started tagging things

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 9, 2014, at 10:31 AM, stevea wrote: I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are some sort of federal standard? The source tag might be useful but not much different than other states. The federal government doesn't have anything to say about speed

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Historical and live speed profiles are pretty much required for trip planning in congested urban areas, but for those of us who drive close to the speed limit and make long trips on relatively uncrowded rural freeways, travel time estimates based on posted (or prima facie) speeds are a good

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-09 Thread Tod Fitch
, though. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Historical and live speed profiles are pretty much required for trip planning in congested urban areas, but for those of us who drive close to the speed limit and make long trips on relatively uncrowded rural

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-10 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 10, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Richard Welty wrote: actually one of the most powerful motivators behind the widespread adaption of the MUTCD is liability. if states and municipalities show they are operating in accordance with the MUTCD then they can avoid a world of hurt in court. it's why

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-14 Thread Tod Fitch
with default speed limit for unposted streets in California, or a shorter string like California vehicle code 22352. On Sep 13, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to roads

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: maxspeed:source=* was a thinko (kind of like a typo but different part of the body). :) OK, probably, but it does sort nicely in JOSM. Either way, feel free to fix

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-16 Thread Tod Fitch
see an explanation than a jumbled pseudokey, aka default speed limit for unposted streets in California On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tod Fitch tod at fitchdesign.com wrote: The jumbled pseudokey value us:ca:residential was inspired by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: This seems broken, especially places where multiple highway networks have ambiguous numbers in the same area (like I 110 and CA 110, which intersect, US 412 and OK 412P, which intersect, or US 64 and OK 364, which intersect (and I'm

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening

2014-11-02 Thread Tod Fitch
If someone has a good solution for this, I'd like it too! It is actually a bit worse here in California as both the opening and closing is based on weather and can vary significantly from year to year. Best I've come up with is to tag the location of the gate and put the following on the gate

Re: [Talk-us] Can not upload a change set‏

2014-11-16 Thread Tod Fitch
I've made several changes today using JOSM the most recent being about 45 minutes ago. Other than slow loading of Bing background imagery, I had no issues. Tod On Nov 16, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Mike Henson wrote: Last night I was editing Stillwater, OK with JOSM and everything was working great.

Re: [Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

2014-11-22 Thread Tod Fitch
Interesting. . . Nothing saying they are using OSM in the mapbox blog post nor do I see acknowledgement of OSM on the Rand McNally slippery map or surrounding frame on the map page itself. But zooming into areas that I've edited on OSM I can definitely tell that it is OSM data they are using

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-12-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: If we standardize all states on the state abbreviations, software like Nominatim would need special cases to translate from e.g. 100 SR 123, Red Lion (what a typical user would input based on a business listing) to 100, OH 123, Red Lion,

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

2014-12-08 Thread Tod Fitch
I don't think the issue would be routing so much as finding the location. I just checked OsmAnd to see if it could find a near by apartment complex where the grounds are tagged with, among other tags addr:housenumber=*, addr:street=*, landuse=residential and name=*. The buildings on it are

Re: [Talk-us] Rail westerly

2014-12-20 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, stevea wrote: Yes, I'll use owner= if known, and it is name= which displays in ORM as the name of the line. Many lines had name= as the service run upon them (like Caltrain instead of Union Pacific), and I have corrected this where I know it was wrong in

Re: [Talk-us] Retail Example using OSM

2014-12-22 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: The company providing the service is Where 2 Get It ( http://www.where2getit.com/ ). They provide maps for store locator functions for a number of companies. For example: Moe's Southwest Grill, Safeway, Trader Joe's, Jo-Ann Fabric,

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging outdoor US shopping centers

2014-12-23 Thread Tod Fitch
I am more likely to use your option 1: Each shopping center a separate landuse=retail, name=* covering the entire area including parking but not the land associated with the roadway right of way. As an example there are two named shopping centers at this intersection:

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. . . . For what it is worth, the person starting the thread is a new mapper and may not know about the talk-us mail list. Or any other mail list for

[Talk-us] Another use of OpenStreetMap

2015-01-06 Thread Tod Fitch
American Airlines flight tracker: http://maptiles-a.flightstats-ops.com/attribution.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-08 Thread Tod Fitch
From Bing I am wondering it is isn't a super two (limited access, two way road) which I think we've been tagging as highway=trunk. If there is actually a barrier in the middle that is not visible in Bing, then it should split into two separate one lane ways. Not sure I'd hang a motorway tag on

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-08 Thread Tod Fitch
direction of travel and be tagged with oneway=yes. In the less usual case of a motorway where traffic travels in both directions along the same carriageway use a single way and tag it with oneway=no. ‘ From: Tod Fitch [mailto:t...@fitchdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 10:43 AM

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Brand new anonymous users come to the map every day and are confused by what these hamlets are. proof: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/163246 I kind of doubt

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Tod Fitch
I find using an app like OsmPad useful when collecting address data. About as fast, maybe faster than, writing numbers on paper when collecting data. And much faster when editing in JOSM. Tod On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

2015-03-11 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 11, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate Yes, I'm done or Needs more work, and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets taken out of rotation. Sounds similar to the HOT

Re: [Talk-us] Elevation in local units

2015-03-24 Thread Tod Fitch
For what it is worth, I’ve become used to looking at distances on topo maps in meters/kilometers as that is what the UTM grid is on USGS topos but I just can’t deal with elevation in meters. Maybe for relative elevations (I’ve got another 500 meters vertical to go is almost okay, but very

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for high-density residential areas

2015-03-31 Thread Tod Fitch
On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Steve Friedl st...@unixwiz.net wrote: Hi all, I’ve been doing OSM for around a month, and have been mainly focusing on my local neighborhood in Foothill Ranch (Orange County in Southern California). As a kind of showcase I'm going quite hyperbolic with

[Talk-us] Santa Clara County (California) address import?

2015-01-29 Thread Tod Fitch
the source of the address data. Am I going off into left field here are is this a reasonable thing to do? Thanks! Tod Fitch [1] http://openaddresses.io [2] http://data.openaddresses.io/runs/1422342479.599/index.html [3] http://creativecommons.org/about/cc0

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

2015-04-13 Thread Tod Fitch
My few trial uses of Vespucci lead me to believe that I need an data connection while using it. Am I wrong? With OsmPad, KeyPad or OSMtracker I can collect data while off line which is very important to me. Cheers, Tod On Apr 13, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: IMHO

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

2015-04-11 Thread Tod Fitch
As to the first: Yes, definitely a great job of mapping address house numbers! As to gathering numbers: I’ve gone through several iterations on collecting data. At first I was using a walking papers style method complete with people asking me what I was doing and, in one case, calling the

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Tod Fitch
Many areas of the western US are sparsely populated. Not only are there few mappers per square mile, there are simply very few people per square mile. I map were I visit. But in more than a few cases I may only visit and area once. This could lead to the same issue you worry about for imports:

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-03 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: . . . It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-04 Thread Tod Fitch
On Apr 4, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Indeed. I don't have much exposure to US Americans outside of OSM but in the few interactions like that I had, if people did have any conception about OSM it usually fell into one of the two categories I mentioned -

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-17 Thread Tod Fitch
The issue, as I see it, is that the OSM landuse=forest means that all the land so designated is used for timber production. Thus the long discussions about natural=wood, landcover=trees, etc. In the case of the US National Forests, the boundaries are still tagged with boundary=national_park,

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
There are a number of traffic laws that are not always posted and vary for each administrative area. U-turns in Oregon, prima-facia speed limits in most of the US, etc. I think there should be a way of tagging the bounding polygon or boundary relation with that information to see the defaults a

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 18, 2015, at 4:17 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: Torsten Karzig wrote: Remove the landuse=forest tag except for regions that are clearly used for forestry. Now, slow down here. It has been (and is, I argue) quite reasonable to tag National Forests

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-17 Thread Tod Fitch
I have seen lots of “bike shedding” on this and I am of the opinion that landuse=forest should be removed from the US national forest boundary relations. But I was unaware that a consensus had been achieved. If it has, perhaps the wiki page at

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-17 Thread Tod Fitch
Unfortunately the magnifying glass is hidden away someplace so my old microprint copy of the Oxford English Dictionary is hard to read. I see “An extensive tract of land covered with trees and undergrowth, sometimes intermingled with pasture.”, Or “A woodland district, usually belonging to the

Re: [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

2015-07-27 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:58 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I've been normally mapping slip lanes as '_link' highways at intersections since the beginning. However, as most fellow US mappers know, they almost never have 'speed limits' posted for them, and that seems to help

[Talk-us] Desert wash that is also vehicle track or path?

2015-10-28 Thread Tod Fitch
Drove AZ77 today and did some updates on it based on what I noticed. But when editing came across this area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/32.62940/-110.73953 The Cherry Wash Trail, for example, is a intermittent (ephemeral

Re: [Talk-us] Desert wash that is also vehicle track or path?

2015-10-28 Thread Tod Fitch
I have worked with multipolygon relations and with route relations, but I am unfamiliar with a relation for a single stream or highway way. What type(s) would those relations be? > On Oct 28, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Greg Troxel <g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote: > > > Tod Fitch <t...@fi

Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

2015-11-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Greg Troxel <g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote: > > > Tod Fitch <t...@fitchdesign.com> writes: > >> What is a “city” in US specific OSM terms? >> >> I prefer a postal city definition as that is the most useful for >&g

Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

2015-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
I think you are referring to this change set: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/3411425 I noticed errors in it the other week when adding a restaurant in Pine Valley and noted on the mail list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2015-November/015634.html It appears to me

Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

2015-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > > maybe but i would do some more research before making an assumption. > i'm aware of many postal city addresses that are in different counties > than the > "real" cities and i believe there are at least 4 cases where

Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

2015-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
ger <hans.dekryge...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I noticed some of that, was hoping it wasn't everywhere. Is this any way to > target an area with a bot inside each city administration line and change the > city to the right one or does that need to be done manually? > > On Nov

Re: [Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

2015-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
Perhaps true in general, but in this specific case the administrative boundary for San Diego (1) is quite a long way from the post office in Pine Valley (2)(3) and the Pine Valley post office is most likely to have a postal name of “Pine Valley” as displayed on the front of the building (right

[Talk-us] San Diego county addresses

2015-11-05 Thread Tod Fitch
east the addresses adjacent to the business I added seem reasonable), just the addr:city tag appears wrong in this case. Suggestions for improving this would be appreciated. Tod Fitch n76___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstre

Re: [Talk-us] Downgrading 'motorways' around toll plazas?

2015-10-13 Thread Tod Fitch
That is possible. And a fix in Osmand is relatively easy (edit routing.xml to set the assumed/default *_link speed to about 1/2 that of the assumed/default speed of associated non-link way). Can be further improved by setting all the assumed speeds to match the real world defaults in your part

Re: [Talk-us] Request revert on Changeset #33669446

2015-09-02 Thread Tod Fitch
It is my understanding that when you see a CalTrans “Begin Freeway” sign it is indicating the section ahead is free of cross traffic (no intersections without grade separation and on/off ramps). That is, freeway implies limited access. And when you see a “End Freeway” sign there will be

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-09-28 Thread Tod Fitch
If the driveway is long enough, or if it is shared, I think it is a good idea to have them in the map (highway=service, service=driveway). In many areas that I’ve mapped it would be the only hope for someone to use OSM to navigate to a specific address. And on most map rendering the service

Re: [Talk-us] QA tool to find duplicate addresses?

2015-12-06 Thread Tod Fitch
Thank you. Turns out that you also need to select more than just severity 1 to get the check box to display that. But I’ve got it book marked now. > On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > I believe "Street numbers" is what you need to select. >

Re: [Talk-us] QA tool to find duplicate addresses?

2015-12-06 Thread Tod Fitch
:housenumber"="315") "addr:street"="Sunrise Drive" ("addr:housenumber"="1857") "addr:street"="Townsite Drive" ("addr:housenumber"="225") "addr:street"="Truly Terrace" ("

Re: [Talk-us] QA tool to find duplicate addresses?

2015-12-06 Thread Tod Fitch
Figured out the link to the English version where the filter says “duplicate object”. I don’t see any other check boxes that look like the will find this type of error. > On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Tod Fitch <t...@fitchdesign.com> wrote: > > My German is really bad. I assume t

[Talk-us] QA tool to find duplicate addresses?

2015-12-06 Thread Tod Fitch
I’ve come across data from an old address import that seems to have numerous duplicate addresses. It would be nice to point JOSM to the places with the most problems rather than to just randomly choose a place for editing. It looks like there is a tool that identifies places with duplicate

Re: [Talk-us] Smartphone App that searches OSM addresses?

2016-01-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mike N wrote: > > In the case where a county completely revamps its road network and addressing > scheme for E911 purposes, then authorizes its road and address data to OSM, > and it's properly imported, are there any Smartphone apps for both

Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

2016-03-19 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > . . . Another question - if not OSM, what maps do hikers in the area use now? > Something from the US Forest Service, or something else? The reason I ask > is that in GB the generally excellent "Ordnance Survey"

Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

2016-03-14 Thread Tod Fitch
Ditto to Mike’s comments. I’ve been dealing with the clean up of bad imports, usually TIGER but others too, where ever I map so I think I understand where people like Frederick are coming from. But I also see the reality in the U.S. of huge geographical areas with very few OSM mappers. An all

[Talk-us] How to tag Edible Arrangements?

2016-03-02 Thread Tod Fitch
There is an Edible Arrangements [1] shop near by that I tagged with only name and and the phone number found on the door. I could not figure out what type of shop it ought to be tagged with. Now I am cleaning up issues in my area noted by some of the QA tools and that has been flagged as

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] Virginia Beach, Virginia Imports

2016-03-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > Is there a community that can be counted on to make sure the data > doesn't rot in OSM once imported - or will you commit to that? > Is this really a serious objection? If so then perhaps I should not map areas I

Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM

2016-05-21 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 21, 2016, at 7:06 AM, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > > On 05/20/2016 10:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote: >> On 5/20/16 9:24 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: >>> I was just on TopOSM [1] which appears to be very outdated. Does >>> anyone know who maintains this site? >>> >>> [1]

Re: [Talk-us] Dual carriage way?

2016-05-14 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 14, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Eric Ladner wrote: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/30.0752/-90.5123 > > This section of West Airline Hwy was probably imported from Tiger as a dual > carriage way. > > This section is two lanes in either direction with a center

[Talk-us] Water in bays, harbors, etc.

2016-08-21 Thread Tod Fitch
During a day kayaking I noticed that the OSM map in the area was less than perfect so I thought I’d see what I could do to improve it. But I have not worked on this type of feature very much and am a little uncertain of some tagging details. The area is a “back bay”, a tidal area with some

Re: [Talk-us] Check your turn:lanes

2016-08-24 Thread Tod Fitch
I’m of half a mind to use a script to find the edits in my area where they changed something like “left|none|none|” to “left||” and then revert them manually. I know they are both officially acceptable variations but for those of us editing by hand counting the occurrences of “|none” to make

Re: [Talk-us] Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest (landuse=forest and US National forests again)

2016-11-29 Thread Tod Fitch
My take: landuse=forest ==> Managed for wood, timber, lumber, paper production, etc. natural=wood ==> Its got trees on it. May be managed for recreation, watershed, endangered species, etc. or it may not managed at all. My preferred take, not fully accepted by the wiki or tagging list but

[Talk-us] Am I wrong to be bothered by this?

2017-01-05 Thread Tod Fitch
I monitor a number of places I’ve done mapping in and suspect I’ll be back to in the future. Today I noticed a change set that covers nearly all of California and Nevada [1]. It looks like this same mapper has even done some changes that span continents [2]. I guess I prefer geographically

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles: Clockwise and Counterclockwise route directions? (e.g. Pittsburgh's Belts)

2016-12-26 Thread Tod Fitch
Not sure about the beltway example, but I prefer having one relation for each direction of a highway and then a super relation to tie those two together. That avoids the issues you pointed out earlier where one direction may take a slip/link while the other direction does not. It also makes it

Re: [Talk-us] Is this a bad import or an experiment?

2017-03-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 4:59 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 2017 7:49 AM, "Paul Johnson" > wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Eric Ladner > wrote: >

Re: [Talk-us] Available Building Footprints

2017-03-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Brad Neuhauser > wrote: > I think this is it? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Available_Building_Footprints >

Re: [Talk-us] Is this a bad import or an experiment?

2017-03-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Clifford Snow > wrote: >> I map driveway when the house is set a distance from the main road, often >> time when the house can't be seen from the road. Mainly

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