Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-05-18 Thread Josh Doe
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Dion Dock dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: I use mini-roundabout for turning circles with islands in the middle.  What can I say, maybe I'm just lazy.  It provides a bit more information than just turning circle without the work of drawing four ways. Note that

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-05-17 Thread Dion Dock
At 2012-04-10 07:29, Mike N wrote: On 4/10/2012 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag. I agree, this

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2012 2:23 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-05-15 11:19, Clifford Snow wrote: I tag culs-de-sac as turning_circles and only draw a circular way when there is an island in the middle. But I have a question. Where should the turning_circle node be placed? In the middle of the culs-de-sac or

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread James Umbanhowar
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 09:46:00 AM Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman I'm making library calls to the routing code and it seems that the router does not understand cul-de-sacs mapped as

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 7:46 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman I'm making library calls to the routing code and it seems that the router does not understand cul-de-sacs mapped as a single

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Henk Hoff
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag. A mini roundabout is more

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Mike N
On 4/10/2012 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag. I agree, this is not a roundabout. I use

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.comwrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2012 7:46 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/158307363 Is

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 8:32 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com mailto:toffeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com mailto:mve...@gmail.com wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 8:39 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exelmve...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2012 7:46 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2012 7:46 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 10:39 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle: There is no central island/reservation to a turning circle—it's simply a wider bit of road. There was a recent discussion on tagging@ in which the 'old guard' refused to accept that it

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 11:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Another case is with a mini_roundabout - supposedly the center must be flat. But many small circles that fit inside intersections are tagged as mini_roundabouts even if they have a raised island. The wiki actually says 'there might be also a low,

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 1:53 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On 4/10/2012 11:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Another case is with a mini_roundabout - supposedly the center must be flat. But many small circles that fit inside intersections are tagged as mini_roundabouts even if they have a raised island. The

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I'm experimenting with the Java code from Traveling Salesman http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman I'm making library calls to the routing code and it seems that the router does not understand cul-de-sacs

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: A roundabout (or mini_roundabout) implies to me (although it is not defined on the wiki) that there is more than one entry / exit road. So intuitively I'd say that is not an appropriate tag. Additionally, a

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 2:23 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: If there's an island in the middle, create a circle around the island, set one-way in the direction of rotation (almost always anticlockwise in North America), intersect with outlet way, copy outlet's tags to the ring (think one-exit roundabout minus the

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki actually says 'there might be also a low, fully traversable dome'. My test is is it readily possible to drive over it? If yes, then mini. Otherwise, I treat it as any other median island. A theoretical North

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That's only correct if there are signs saying it's one-way. That's pretty shaky considering that a dividing island (and an island in what would otherwise be a flat turning circle is still such an island) is passed on

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-04-10 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Hello all, I recently mapped a subdivision where the cul-de-sacs really were miniroundabouts rather than turning circles. Kinda cool and unique. So there are, very occasionally, times when miniroundabout is appropriate for the end of a cul-de-sac. Charlotte At 07:39 AM