The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav ta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there. The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. ___ Access mailing list acc...@accessusers.com http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav ta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there. The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. ___ Access mailing list acc...@accessusers.com http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
Agreed Steve. Maybe if he was nicer, and asked kindly, i would have considered it. Luckily you posted, because right to the delete button I was going. On 3/1/10, Stephen Clower st...@steve-audio.net wrote: So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav ta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there. The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. ___ Access mailing list acc...@accessusers.com http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 Studio/Office: 973-707-6844 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan...@gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
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you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clower st...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav ta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there. The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. ___ Access mailing list acc...@accessusers.com http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clower st...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav ta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in support of our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, personalize it with a few lines of message, get the word out there. The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. To date we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. Spread the word folks. www.talknav.com/protest This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... Regards. Neil Barnfather. ___ Access mailing
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Given what's out there right now, it can't be done. Platforms are very, very different, and a lot of what products like Orca or NVDA need to operate aren't present on handsets. Android is based on Linux, by the way. A screen reader is in the works, and while it's not very useful now, it may be great given another year or two of development. Nokia is abandoning Simbian as we all know it in loo of a Linux/Simbian hybrid which is just as broken as Windows Phone 7 will be Steve On 3/1/2010 4:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clowerst...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind folks, it says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to freedom and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are prepared to use it when necessary. This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a symbol, now please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it sharing, Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, mailing lists etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to accessible products then make your mark. More than this, those you know need to say that they
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hmph. thought symbian was opensource. oh well what exactly will we all use after all that goes away. not that I care much there will probably be for the forseeable future old phones mine still works. I suppose we will have to use all the broken windows and simlinux systems then. android looks promising though the google nexus was a joke really was. Its a pitty we can't just have a version of win7 or xp on a mobile. Its a shame that the only phone that is mac is an iphone. Would like to have hmm a mac powerphone imagine what cool things I would be able to do with that. At 10:54 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: Given what's out there right now, it can't be done. Platforms are very, very different, and a lot of what products like Orca or NVDA need to operate aren't present on handsets. Android is based on Linux, by the way. A screen reader is in the works, and while it's not very useful now, it may be great given another year or two of development. Nokia is abandoning Simbian as we all know it in loo of a Linux/Simbian hybrid which is just as broken as Windows Phone 7 will be Steve On 3/1/2010 4:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clowerst...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your local blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, am very, very disappointed in you all. As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if you do not own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the list says something about who we are and
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It's open source, but to release it that way, Nokia had to remove a lot of closed-source components that are critical to the platform itself. If you compiled and installed what's on the internet right now, you'd end up with a brick. Steve On 3/1/2010 5:11 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. thought symbian was opensource. oh well what exactly will we all use after all that goes away. not that I care much there will probably be for the forseeable future old phones mine still works. I suppose we will have to use all the broken windows and simlinux systems then. android looks promising though the google nexus was a joke really was. Its a pitty we can't just have a version of win7 or xp on a mobile. Its a shame that the only phone that is mac is an iphone. Would like to have hmm a mac powerphone imagine what cool things I would be able to do with that. At 10:54 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: Given what's out there right now, it can't be done. Platforms are very, very different, and a lot of what products like Orca or NVDA need to operate aren't present on handsets. Android is based on Linux, by the way. A screen reader is in the works, and while it's not very useful now, it may be great given another year or two of development. Nokia is abandoning Simbian as we all know it in loo of a Linux/Simbian hybrid which is just as broken as Windows Phone 7 will be Steve On 3/1/2010 4:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clowerst...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you lot, those of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have made me rather upset and irritated. To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites informing you all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our favour, have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of competence when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This individual thinks so. So if you represent,
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and, symbian is changing the UI to a better GUI which is visually appealing and doesnt look like a dos app from 1996. Tthe problem with this new GUI is its very lacking in the accessibility department. and will probably take screen reader venders several years to redesign things to work with the new UI. The s60 UI sucks and symbian knows it cant compete if they dont make it more visually apealing and more user friendly. They realize for example that it shouldnt take 12 taps/keystrokes just to create the email account on the phone. On 3/1/2010 2:13 PM, Stephen Clower wrote: It's open source, but to release it that way, Nokia had to remove a lot of closed-source components that are critical to the platform itself. If you compiled and installed what's on the internet right now, you'd end up with a brick. Steve On 3/1/2010 5:11 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. thought symbian was opensource. oh well what exactly will we all use after all that goes away. not that I care much there will probably be for the forseeable future old phones mine still works. I suppose we will have to use all the broken windows and simlinux systems then. android looks promising though the google nexus was a joke really was. Its a pitty we can't just have a version of win7 or xp on a mobile. Its a shame that the only phone that is mac is an iphone. Would like to have hmm a mac powerphone imagine what cool things I would be able to do with that. At 10:54 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: Given what's out there right now, it can't be done. Platforms are very, very different, and a lot of what products like Orca or NVDA need to operate aren't present on handsets. Android is based on Linux, by the way. A screen reader is in the works, and while it's not very useful now, it may be great given another year or two of development. Nokia is abandoning Simbian as we all know it in loo of a Linux/Simbian hybrid which is just as broken as Windows Phone 7 will be Steve On 3/1/2010 4:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clowerst...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us
