Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
Has anyone approached loadstone about adding the googlemaps/earth api's? street view and directions are availible in many countrys. you add the loadstone user POIS to the google maps api and poi's and you actually have something going. google maps is the best source for free maps. if people dont want to pay mobile geo prices then implement google maps in to something like loadstone or build a completely open source cross platform app in either python or java and talk to the appropriate screen reader API's. On 3/2/2010 8:27 AM, Brandon Hicks wrote: Not to mention most of those people aren't in countries Vodaphone serve. So there's another lack of insentive. Now if you had 700 blinks who were going to break contracts with them over it they might think again but as it is that's not going to happen. Vodaphone have nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing something about this, but the blinks feel entitled. Instead of putting the tallent to work for Loadstone they're just bitching. Typical. Brandon Doug Langley wrote: Also, the WFA concept of free life time upgrades also put a nail in its coffin. Wheres the insentive for Vodaphone to develop a program which wont bring them any sort of positive cash flow? This is a gps program and it needs updated data on a regular basis and wheres the insentive for vodaphone to do *anything* that wont bring them at least the ability to break even? First and formost its about money and 777 blind people that signed a petition who arent obligated (by the license agreement) to ever give them another penny arent going to be insentive enough to do anything about it. On 3/2/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Langley wrote: I'm glad to see someone else with a brain. No one ever takes these internet petitions seriously. I signed it but only because it can only help more than hurt. That being said, if people spent as much time working on a new solution instead of trying to save an old dieing one we would probably all be better off. This is vodaphone. they hear from more people in a single hour than they will in this hole petition. And all this petition is doing is asking for a reason why. so we can spend 3 months getting 778 signatures so they can say, because it didnt make business sense. Thank you for contacting vodaphone we hope we can service you in the future. On 3/2/2010 6:57 AM, Amanda Rush wrote: K this is a record. I was turned off by about the second line of this guy's message. I totally get being angry about accessibility or the lack thereof, but begging for signatures is like begging for charity. Neither one works very well, and getting angry with the people you're trying to get signatures/charity from isn't a good thing either. Also, IMO, (and it's probably only my opinion, and we know what those are like, but this is the crux of the entire accessibility fight), companies like this one and every other one ignore these sorts of petitions because, even if every single blind user were to call their bluff, we're not a big enough of their market to matter as far as sales or whatever. And in the case of the FS petition, we can all bitch and whine till we're out of breath, but the fact is that 90% of their clientel is government contracts. So they can pretty much do whatever, and the other AT companies will eventually go along or go out of business, and so there's no real insentive for FS to do anything positive. Note: I'm not a huge FS fan. At all. So I hope no one takes this as rooting for them. And wow, DJ Patty, haven't heard from you in *ages. I was wondering what had happened to you. Good to see you're still around. Amanda -Original Message- From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:35 To: talk2 Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Guys just displaying understandable anger over loss of access. Barry -Original Message- From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Hicks Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM To: talk2 Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Agreed. This message speaks of childish tantrums. Even the Freedom Scientific petition didn't get much over a thousand signatures, if even that. This one's not going to get much more. I thought about it until I got to about the third line of the message. Brandon Stephen Clower wrote: So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site
Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
this is something I've been pondering for the last 2 weeks after a conversation with onj the Asterisk pbx uses a bounty system to get stuff done. So, basically you take donations for 3-9 months, then offer the money to developers to complete the project. and the project that I invision is an open source product based on google maps that's multi plat form. pc, and winmo/symbian. WX widgits are availible for all our major platforms. In theory this isnt hard to setup but I can smell the headaches from a thousand miles away. People want donations back, people dont like the finished product etc. I'm not sure I want the project but It does leave me tempted to do it. On 3/2/2010 8:40 AM, Brandon Hicks wrote: block quote That would be the best, and if I had the knowledge I'd do it or talk to them about it. Hopefully someone will, because Loadstone could be good if it just streamlined the process of getting maps and POIs and got access to the better maps from Google. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest
and, symbian is changing the UI to a better GUI which is visually appealing and doesnt look like a dos app from 1996. Tthe problem with this new GUI is its very lacking in the accessibility department. and will probably take screen reader venders several years to redesign things to work with the new UI. The s60 UI sucks and symbian knows it cant compete if they dont make it more visually apealing and more user friendly. They realize for example that it shouldnt take 12 taps/keystrokes just to create the email account on the phone. On 3/1/2010 2:13 PM, Stephen Clower wrote: It's open source, but to release it that way, Nokia had to remove a lot of closed-source components that are critical to the platform itself. If you compiled and installed what's on the internet right now, you'd end up with a brick. Steve On 3/1/2010 5:11 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. thought symbian was opensource. oh well what exactly will we all use after all that goes away. not that I care much there will probably be for the forseeable future old phones mine still works. I suppose we will have to use all the broken windows and simlinux systems then. android looks promising though the google nexus was a joke really was. Its a pitty we can't just have a version of win7 or xp on a mobile. Its a shame that the only phone that is mac is an iphone. Would like to have hmm a mac powerphone imagine what cool things I would be able to do with that. At 10:54 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: Given what's out there right now, it can't be done. Platforms are very, very different, and a lot of what products like Orca or NVDA need to operate aren't present on handsets. Android is based on Linux, by the way. A screen reader is in the works, and while it's not very useful now, it may be great given another year or two of development. Nokia is abandoning Simbian as we all know it in loo of a Linux/Simbian hybrid which is just as broken as Windows Phone 7 will be Steve On 3/1/2010 4:51 PM, shaun everiss wrote: hmph. well I myself think simbian rocks. win mobile, well from what I hear it crashes like no one's business. On that note wander why no one has designed something around a linux distro, ubuntu, maybe nvda and something else. could probably work to. and you could run linux apps on your mobile. At 10:35 a.m. 2/03/2010, you wrote: I suspect everyone on that list has already signed. He needs to get the word out through additional channels without trying to guilt trip the reader into signing it. Frankly though, I don't think there will be much luck. A telecomm company that has hundreds of thousands of customers doesn't care about a thousand blind people, no matter how angry they get. Just look at what Microsoft is doing to Windows Mobile; yanking the rug out from under everyone with no regards to keeping products like MobileSpeak functional. Why petition? Microsoft obviously doesn't give a flip, and neither do these guys. As much as I like MobileSpeak and especially Mobile Geo, I'll be banking on the Android platform in a few years when both WM and Simbian are dead. Steve On 3/1/2010 3:39 PM, Onj wrote: you're not head of a large blindy organisation, though. And though I agree with your standpoint, to a point, if I ask you, will you sign instead? I'm asking as someone who, unless Loadstone really decides to do something useful, will have no GPS undder his platform. You have Mobile Geo and you are lucky for that, however it shall be a cold day in hell I switch to Windows smart. Especially with all the incredibly um, interesting? changes they are trying to implement at this time. So, ignoring that message, which to be fair the guy did have a point, he wasn't saying it to individuals but to large organisations, please sign it. I can't ask more than that really. From: Stephen Clowerst...@steve-audio.net on Monday, March 01, 2010 7:20 PM So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the author's attitude, despite his good intentions. Steve On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the content of this message speak for itself? From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNavta...@talknav.com on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have not signed the WFA user protest site. Before I start my message the link right here and now is www.talknav.com/protest Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have to at this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the application signing, let alone additional support. Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the organizations that supposedly represent us
RE: The Talk2 List new facebook is a pile
So, I'm going to ask the same question that many have asked around the net; anyone manage to get the old facebook back? I havent bothered since I sort of like the new one. The profile page is a bit nasty and deleting apps is a huge pain but doable, but as for the news feed I like that its more chronological, and that you can comment on stuff now. the comment system has been needed for a long time. if you want something that's easier and quicker, you can go to m.facebook.com in firefox, but you wont be able to access alot of the apps from that page.
RE: The Talk2 List the snowman radio broadcast
Were those only a half hour? I could have swarn they were much longer at the time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Perdue Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:00 PM To: talk2 Subject: The Talk2 List the snowman radio broadcast Until someone tells us to stop, we're going to be broadcasting two episodes of the Snowman Radio Broadcast every weekday from 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM EDT, starting tomorrow, April 14. Each episode is roughly 30 minutes long, thus, you get two of them per day. However, too much of the Snowman at once is a bad, addictive thing, so we are limiting this to one hour, rather than two or three. . From the website: The SnowMan Radio Broadcast is a conversational, satirical series of programs, recorded between August 1999, and May 2001. People describe it as being presented by a man with a smooth delivery, an unusually ironic sense of humor, and a master's touch at audio production. But, what do they know. Some things you hear here are true; some are not; and YOU will have to be the judge of which is which. But, at any event, it's a great way to pass the time. As this was done before the era of podcasting, one episode of this program was uploaded per week, and aired across a few internet radio stations in Real Audio format. Fear not, however, because we won't be bringing you those boring low-quality versions of the show. We've got better ones! You may be asking yourself: Who is this Snowman person, and why would I want to listen to him? Well, to answer your question, he's a strange individual by the name of Jim Snowbarger, who hales from Marshaltown Iowa. With many years of experience in both life in general, and audio production, you will find out all sorts of things that you might never have discovered otherwise. I suppose that's not enough reason, though, unless you already know who this person is, and what he's all about. If you don't, tune into tbrn every weekday from 2:00 PM to 3:00 PM EDT, and you'll find out for yourself. You can check out the Snowman's official website at www.snowmanradio.com. To listen, point your media player of choice to any of the following: Ogg, best quality: http://tbrn.net:/tbrn.ogg mp3 128k: http://tbrn.net:/tbrn.mp3 48k mp3 (for really nice dial-up or use with mobile devices): http://tbrn.net:/tbrn48.mp3 24k mp3 (there's probably still someone who needs it somewhere): http://tbrn.net:/tbrn24.mp3 If you find yourself in a position where none of these streams work, or if you're too lazy to install or configure a media player, fear not! We've got a web player at http://www.tbrn.net/play. This will also work if you have access to port 80, such as in the workplace or university where access is restricted. Have fun, and we hope to see you 'round. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
RE: The Talk2 List Amy KeyChain
There was absolutely no editing going on. I kept all the words exactly as written and in the same order. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:40 PM To: talk2 Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Amy KeyChain Oh god. Editing Words in e-mail now as well as editing what people say in their innocently-stated shows on TBRN? What next? - Original Message - From: Doug Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Amy KeyChain With the wonders of message quoting we can make amy say the following: In my musical opinion, he doesn't have much talent as a vocalist Ok, so lots of his stuff is pure cheese... I would just like to say that I couldn't agree more. Good going, amy! Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. __ NOD32 2619 (20071026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
RE: The Talk2 List Amy KeyChain
Let's setup an alias for this list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] now points to talk2@andrelouis.com I'm so glad my little off air joke is going to stick around forever and ever and ever. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
RE: The Talk2 List [Fwd: Re: [MSP] mobile speak questions]
I think steve is feeling a bit angry tonight. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Clower Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:01 PM To: talk2 Subject: The Talk2 List [Fwd: Re: [MSP] mobile speak questions] This guy's an idiot! - Steve Original Message Subject:Re: [MSP] mobile speak questions Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:59:36 -0500 From: Stephen Clower [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MSP List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hank smith wrote: hello I just got a motorola q from verizon am using 30 day trial of mobile speak smart phone have 4 questions 1. this thing ios really loud, how do I turn it down? With the volume controls in phone settings. If MobileSpeak, use the MS control panel. 2. there a way to get keytones back eg hear the touch tone when I dial numbers? Probably a bug with the Q. Check Google. 3. how much is smart phone odission, Look on the CodeFactory site. and are payment plans available? Look on the CodeFactory site. 4. is there a keychart on the motorola q? Yes. In the manual. if so where can I get it at? In the manual. this phone is really different. Sure is. Google is your friend. [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the Reply All, rather than the Reply, option of your email client.] ___ msp_mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
The Talk2 List good deal on iriver H10's
For anyone on the list that is interested in a good deal on an mp3 player which can have rockbox installed on it I just found a good deal on the 20 gig iriver H10's. I know this port isn't as far along as the h100's h300's and ipods are but I'm sure they will get it there in time. http://www.woot.com iRiver H10 20GB MP3 Player Recorder - Remix Blue $99.99+ $5 shipping condition: Refurbished product(s): 1 iRiver H10 20GB MP3 Player/Recorder this deal is only good until midnight central time today sunday march 18 so if your reading it later then your out of luck.
RE: The Talk2 List how do you stop miranda from giving up?
I'm using an old plugin called alwaysonline. It works well, I haven't touched it in a bit over 2 years now. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of derek Lane Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:28 PM To: talk2 Subject: The Talk2 List how do you stop miranda from giving up? Every time their is a slight fluctuation in connectivity, I'm obviously signed out of messengers. I know some of you have your mirandas, or whatever the ploral form is, to wordlessly keep trying to log back on. I've looked through all of the options and can't find anything. So question is, how is this done?
