Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
I haven't upgraded winamp since I had Malcolm, the old AMD Athlon XP 3000+ which died in december. My winamp on all three of my machines is a customised 5.3 and loads even on the 750 mhz server box in under 5 seconds. It's fast and it's stable and still works. I stole some plugins from other places and my wave files do work in the open dialog for whatever reason, so I'm happy, but yes, the general concensus does seem to be, and I do personally agree, winamp after about version 5 point whatever is a pile. Probably earlier than 5.3 but mine works for me, so I stopped there. On Friday, October 12, 2007 5:52 AM, Patrick Perdue happened to mention in passing: On 10/12/2007, 12:17:39 AM EDT, John left a message in a bottle, stating: This is why I never upgraded past 5.08. Once I heard of those wav issues I was pretty much turned off to the later versions of Winamp. Semi-long post ahead! There are workarounds for all this. If you want wav file type to show up in the open dialogue of the main window and playlist for newer versions of winamp (something that should not be necessary in the first place), here are two possible methods of making this happen: 1. Go to options, plugins, input. Select Nullsoft Waveform Decoder vX.X, and press configure. Here, you will find a list of file types to associate with the wav input plugin, as well as other options pertaining to dithering, bit depth/sample rate conversion, and such. Take care to make sure that only the following extensions are selected in this list: wav, voc, au, snd, aif, aiff Selecting a combination that I haven't determined after this point usually breaks it, and I have no idea why. It probably won't matter so much as these are generally quite obscure file types, and if you really need to play them that badly, then you are strange. 2. If the first method doesn't work, try this one: Open winamp.ini found in either your winamp main directory or in .x:\documents and settings\userapplication data\winamp if you were boring and configured it that way. Look for a line starting with extlist. You will see a list of all registered, but not necessarily all associated extensions, not necessarily in order. Here is mine as an example, although yours will surely differ, but this is known to work for me with newer versions of winamp: extlist=AC3:VOB:CDA:MPG:MPEG:M2V:AVI:ASF:WMV:mod:mdz:nst:stm:stz:s3m:s3z:it:itz:xm:xmz:mtm:ult:669:far:amf:okt:ptm:MP3:MP2:MP1:m3u:pls:ogg:mid:au:aif:aiff:ra:ram:wav Let me again state how stupid this is, and show my general annoyance that this is necessary at all in some cases. As with many things, I am generally annoyed. 'What this time?' Well, I am generally annoyed at anything past about Winamp 5.08 or so for various reasons, therefore, I am using a slimmed-down hybrid of winamps with version 2.80 at it's core, using some old and new plugins. It's very stable. I've been running FX Radio continuously now on three copies of these Winamp 2.80/5.x/other hybrids now for 51 days (up to 65 so far) without a single crash or anything bad happening. It only died after 65 days due to prolonged power failure thanks to a storm in August. Mind you, for broadcasting, I am using a newer one, version 5.2 to be exact, just because it has that cool global hotkeys thingy. I did try taking the global hotkey plugin and sticking it in an older version of winamp, but they were too clever for that, and only allowed it to work with versions 5.0 and up. I find that older versions of Winamp are far more snappy and generally responsive about things, and am still looking for Winamp alternatives. The best option right now is probably Foobar2000, but there are plenty of things that annoy me about this one, which I don't think I'll bother getting into at the moment. Tip: If you don't use it, uninstall or disable the Winamp library. It will make loading time much faster. By default, the Winamp library hangs out in the background and looks at all the music, streams, etc. that you've played, and keeps a nice index of them. So, the more media you play, the bigger the database gets, and the longer it takes to launch Winamp, thus, allowing it to get fat and giving it the opportunity to apologize for it later... unless you either uninstall the Winamp library, or configure it not to cache all that stuff behind you. God, I hope all this crap has been informative and/or useful to at least someone, as all this info has been obtained purely from experience and nothing else. Have a good slushy day. -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 12, 2007 at 12:19 AM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
On 10/12/2007, 10:49:17 AM EDT, derek said, in a rather disjointed fassion: the only thing I don't like about your setup is the white noise thing when crossfader is doing its thing. The only thing I don't like about you is that you've failed to notice that it hasn't done this now for about five weeks. Oh well. -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 12, 2007 at 11:11 AM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
Foobar 2000 works perfectly, assuming you don't have to broadcast. If you're going to broadcast with it, you're going to have to use the Spacial Audio standalone thing, because the oddcast foobar plugin is a pile; I played with it for one afternoon and it crashed lots and lots. And God help you if you want title streaming to work, because you won't get it going no matter what you do. But if you want just to listen to stuff, and play with DSP plugins, foobar is a perfect little player that even sounds better than winamp for most things. Patrick Perdue wrote: On 10/12/2007, 12:17:39 AM EDT, John left a message in a bottle, stating: This is why I never upgraded past 5.08. Once I heard of those wav issues I was pretty much turned off to the later versions of Winamp. Semi-long post ahead! There are workarounds for all this. If you want wav file type to show up in the open dialogue of the main window and playlist for newer versions of winamp (something that should not be necessary in the first place), here are two possible methods of making this happen: 1. Go to options, plugins, input. Select Nullsoft Waveform Decoder vX.X, and press configure. Here, you will find a list of file types to associate with the wav input plugin, as well as other options pertaining to dithering, bit depth/sample rate conversion, and such. Take care to make sure that only the following extensions are selected in this list: wav, voc, au, snd, aif, aiff Selecting a combination that I haven't determined after this point usually breaks it, and I have no idea why. It probably won't matter so much as these are generally quite obscure file types, and if you really need to play them that badly, then you are strange. 2. If the first method doesn't work, try this one: Open winamp.ini found in either your winamp main directory or in .x:\documents and settings\userapplication data\winamp if you were boring and configured it that way. Look for a line starting with extlist. You will see a list of all registered, but not necessarily all associated extensions, not necessarily in order. Here is mine as an example, although yours will surely differ, but this is known to work for me with newer versions of winamp: extlist=AC3:VOB:CDA:MPG:MPEG:M2V:AVI:ASF:WMV:mod:mdz:nst:stm:stz:s3m:s3z:it:itz:xm:xmz:mtm:ult:669:far:amf:okt:ptm:MP3:MP2:MP1:m3u:pls:ogg:mid:au:aif:aiff:ra:ram:wav Let me again state how stupid this is, and show my general annoyance that this is necessary at all in some cases. As with many things, I am generally annoyed. 'What this time?' Well, I am generally annoyed at anything past about Winamp 5.08 or so for various reasons, therefore, I am using a slimmed-down hybrid of winamps with version 2.80 at it's core, using some old and new plugins. It's very stable. I've been running FX Radio continuously now on three copies of these Winamp 2.80/5.x/other hybrids now for 51 days (up to 65 so far) without a single crash or anything bad happening. It only died after 65 days due to prolonged power failure thanks to a storm in August. Mind you, for broadcasting, I am using a newer one, version 5.2 to be exact, just because it has that cool global hotkeys thingy. I did try taking the global hotkey plugin and sticking it in an older version of winamp, but they were too clever for that, and only allowed it to work with versions 5.0 and up. I find that older versions of Winamp are far more snappy and generally responsive about things, and am still looking for Winamp alternatives. The best option right now is probably Foobar2000, but there are plenty of things that annoy me about this one, which I don't think I'll bother getting into at the moment. Tip: If you don't use it, uninstall or disable the Winamp library. It will make loading time much faster. By default, the Winamp library hangs out in the background and looks at all the music, streams, etc. that you've played, and keeps a nice index of them. So, the more media you play, the bigger the database gets, and the longer it takes to launch Winamp, thus, allowing it to get fat and giving it the opportunity to apologize for it later... unless you either uninstall the Winamp library, or configure it not to cache all that stuff behind you. God, I hope all this crap has been informative and/or useful to at least someone, as all this info has been obtained purely from experience and nothing else. Have a good slushy day. -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 12, 2007 at 12:19 AM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't.
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
Hi sam: I always use the Stand-alone Oddcast broadcasting thing... Who the hell uses spacial audio anything anymore? That officially died here at TBRN almost a year ago unless you're Venison, and the stand-alone version of sam encoders sucks even more than the Winamp plugin does, plus they use ancient and generally very old versions of the Ogg encoder, which can be changed out for a nicer one. However, due to other things, I don't bother. By the way, I totally don't miss having my being able to broadcast depending on a Winamp DSP stack. Yes, you can get Title Streaming to work with Oddcast stand-alone and Foobar if you really want to, by using the Oddcast grab from winamp window stuff. It will work with any app. You could make it pick up the title bar from your customized refrigerator controller application and have it report, for all the world to see, the internal temperature of your refrigerator as your song title, should you so choose to do so, so long as the information you want is shown in the title bar of any given window class. The stand-alone Oddcast has options for trunkating before and after text so that it doesn't display the entire window title, such as the program running and such. However, I could never quite get the Foobar playlist to work quite as well as the Winamp one, nor could I get a decent cross-fading solution. IN fact, I was never able to get anything other than a straight cross-fader with no intelligent dropping or rising when it was supposed to other than simply cross-fading only, no matter what I did. With older versions of Foobar2000 0.83 and things like it, where this was possible, I tried both a crossfading DSP and simultaneously using a modified cross-fading output plugin, which really tried to work but couldn't quite get it right, even after hours of configuring things. With the new standard 0.9.x and higher, it was even worse. To make it just that much more annoying, 0.9.x, which has far less plugin support (although it does, unlike older versions, properly supports AAC+ streams), is much easier for changing all the hotkeys around. I don't particularly like the Foobar defaults, and with the old one, you have to click on an invisible bitmap or something to change hotkeys. Also, I couldn't find a reliable way to find the remaining time on the currently playing track, or get the runtime of a track in the playlist before playing it, but this could purely be born of ignorance. I did, however, find it very cool that you could have multiple playlists open in different windows. If I could get all these things fixed and get a decent cross-fader going, you bet I would drop the use of Winamp for mainstream everything. I've been annoyed at it for so long, but so far have not quite found anything that does everything I want, in quite the way I want it. Let me say that I love the concept of their DSP stacking, and it comes with a lot more useful stuff by default without being bloated about it, but the crossfading really, really annoys me! So! much!!! But, I'm willing to give it another go if I could only be told how to make the crossfader not suck, even if I have to forego track time remaining and a couple of other useful features that I've been used to for so long with Winamp. -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
Hi, all. Thought I'd add my 2 cents on the winamp thingy here. I myself don't use winamp these days, instead going for a player called XmPlay. Unlike most other players, it's only about 300k and it comes as a nice little zip file. No installer, just unzip and go! Yes, there are little qwerks, like no way to jump to time, instead they have a bookmark feature, and you can't see any of the playlist window, but personally I don't use that much anyway. Also, the other cool thing is that it let's you use about 99% of winamp input plugins, so that means I can still have the latest plugins for all my weird music formats, such as nsf, spc, etc etc. The main reason I don't switch to foobar is, as already mentioned, the lack of plugins. Especially for the weird game music type stuff. Well yes there are plugins, but they're made by weird japanese peoples and arn't updated often enough for my liking. That's allI had for now. good 50 to you all. MR Arthur J. Pirika You can find many things out about me by reading below this line: My Live Journal: http://arfy8820.livejournal.com Free music (for use in MOH systems, podcasts and radio): http://tbrn.net/arfy The Beyond Radio Network (TBRN:) http://www.TBRN.NET Online contacts: Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aim: arfy8820 Telephone contacts: Home (phone: +64-3-341-1500 - Ext. 54857 Cellular (New Zealand): +64-21-036-0670 In the United States: +1-702-520-5110 Ring the TBRN conference line 24 hours a day! +1-702-520-5123 - Original Message - From: Samuel Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5 Hey, To see the remaining time on a currently playing track, just check the status bar. It gives you the time played/time remaining right at the end (E.G: 00:22/4:57). To see the time of any track in the playlist, just go to it and hit read current line; it announces the runtime of the selected track...at least if you're using jaws, anyway. I honestly have no idea what you're trying to do with your cross-fading; I don't know anything about it, having never wanted any for myself. I just use VLevel to compress the hell out of everything, and gapless playback. It keeps music at a constant background on my shitty speakers while I'm doing assignments. Have you checked through the hydrogenaudio wiki? Start at: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Components_0.9 and see if that helps. Patrick Perdue wrote: Hi sam: I always use the Stand-alone Oddcast broadcasting thing... Who the hell uses spacial audio anything anymore? That officially died here at TBRN almost a year ago unless you're Venison, and the stand-alone version of sam encoders sucks even more than the Winamp plugin does, plus they use ancient and generally very old versions of the Ogg encoder, which can be changed out for a nicer one. However, due to other things, I don't bother. By the way, I totally don't miss having my being able to broadcast depending on a Winamp DSP stack. Yes, you can get Title Streaming to work with Oddcast stand-alone and Foobar if you really want to, by using the Oddcast grab from winamp window stuff. It will work with any app. You could make it pick up the title bar from your customized refrigerator controller application and have it report, for all the world to see, the internal temperature of your refrigerator as your song title, should you so choose to do so, so long as the information you want is shown in the title bar of any given window class. The stand-alone Oddcast has options for trunkating before and after text so that it doesn't display the entire window title, such as the program running and such. However, I could never quite get the Foobar playlist to work quite as well as the Winamp one, nor could I get a decent cross-fading solution. IN fact, I was never able to get anything other than a straight cross-fader with no intelligent dropping or rising when it was supposed to other than simply cross-fading only, no matter what I did. With older versions of Foobar2000 0.83 and things like it, where this was possible, I tried both a crossfading DSP and simultaneously using a modified cross-fading output plugin, which really tried to work but couldn't quite get it right, even after hours of configuring things. With the new standard 0.9.x and higher, it was even worse. To make it just that much more annoying, 0.9.x, which has far less plugin support (although it does, unlike older versions, properly supports AAC+ streams), is much easier for changing all the hotkeys around. I don't particularly like the Foobar defaults, and with the old one, you have to click on an invisible bitmap or something to change hotkeys. Also, I couldn't find a reliable way to find the remaining time on the currently playing track, or get the runtime of a track in the playlist before
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
me thinkith I shall stick with my 5.35. The only problem I'm having is that waves arn't shown as a valid type in the open files dialog. Don't know how to fix, but it'd be nice to have that work again, especially for the show - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: The Talk2 List winamp5.5 Hi all. Winamp 5.5 is out. New installers and such. Optional toolbars as well as other things. a bad thing is that when you play mod files and xm files well at least on my system the system will crash when you exit. I resolved this by using the bass module plugin emulator. But winamp has upgraded its engines and crashes if I try to use that plugin. So I can't use it, wa! Luckily though all the other plugins work fine. and there is all these new things. Unless you care to there are optional things like winamp toolbar and winamp remote. I'm of 2 minds to install these extra things. I don't care for the toolbar, and I don't know what remote is.ANd its all 6 extra mb to get, later. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:09 p.m. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
RE: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
This is why I never upgraded past 5.08. Once I heard of those wav issues I was pretty much turned off to the later versions of Winamp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of derek Lane Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:14 PM To: talk2 Subject: Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5 me thinkith I shall stick with my 5.35. The only problem I'm having is that waves arn't shown as a valid type in the open files dialog. Don't know how to fix, but it'd be nice to have that work again, especially for the show - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: The Talk2 List winamp5.5 Hi all. Winamp 5.5 is out. New installers and such. Optional toolbars as well as other things. a bad thing is that when you play mod files and xm files well at least on my system the system will crash when you exit. I resolved this by using the bass module plugin emulator. But winamp has upgraded its engines and crashes if I try to use that plugin. So I can't use it, wa! Luckily though all the other plugins work fine. and there is all these new things. Unless you care to there are optional things like winamp toolbar and winamp remote. I'm of 2 minds to install these extra things. I don't care for the toolbar, and I don't know what remote is.ANd its all 6 extra mb to get, later. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:09 p.m. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1063 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 9:11 AM Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
On 10/12/2007, 12:17:39 AM EDT, John left a message in a bottle, stating: This is why I never upgraded past 5.08. Once I heard of those wav issues I was pretty much turned off to the later versions of Winamp. Semi-long post ahead! There are workarounds for all this. If you want wav file type to show up in the open dialogue of the main window and playlist for newer versions of winamp (something that should not be necessary in the first place), here are two possible methods of making this happen: 1. Go to options, plugins, input. Select Nullsoft Waveform Decoder vX.X, and press configure. Here, you will find a list of file types to associate with the wav input plugin, as well as other options pertaining to dithering, bit depth/sample rate conversion, and such. Take care to make sure that only the following extensions are selected in this list: wav, voc, au, snd, aif, aiff Selecting a combination that I haven't determined after this point usually breaks it, and I have no idea why. It probably won't matter so much as these are generally quite obscure file types, and if you really need to play them that badly, then you are strange. 2. If the first method doesn't work, try this one: Open winamp.ini found in either your winamp main directory or in .x:\documents and settings\userapplication data\winamp if you were boring and configured it that way. Look for a line starting with extlist. You will see a list of all registered, but not necessarily all associated extensions, not necessarily in order. Here is mine as an example, although yours will surely differ, but this is known to work for me with newer versions of winamp: extlist=AC3:VOB:CDA:MPG:MPEG:M2V:AVI:ASF:WMV:mod:mdz:nst:stm:stz:s3m:s3z:it:itz:xm:xmz:mtm:ult:669:far:amf:okt:ptm:MP3:MP2:MP1:m3u:pls:ogg:mid:au:aif:aiff:ra:ram:wav Let me again state how stupid this is, and show my general annoyance that this is necessary at all in some cases. As with many things, I am generally annoyed. 'What this time?' Well, I am generally annoyed at anything past about Winamp 5.08 or so for various reasons, therefore, I am using a slimmed-down hybrid of winamps with version 2.80 at it's core, using some old and new plugins. It's very stable. I've been running FX Radio continuously now on three copies of these Winamp 2.80/5.x/other hybrids now for 51 days (up to 65 so far) without a single crash or anything bad happening. It only died after 65 days due to prolonged power failure thanks to a storm in August. Mind you, for broadcasting, I am using a newer one, version 5.2 to be exact, just because it has that cool global hotkeys thingy. I did try taking the global hotkey plugin and sticking it in an older version of winamp, but they were too clever for that, and only allowed it to work with versions 5.0 and up. I find that older versions of Winamp are far more snappy and generally responsive about things, and am still looking for Winamp alternatives. The best option right now is probably Foobar2000, but there are plenty of things that annoy me about this one, which I don't think I'll bother getting into at the moment. Tip: If you don't use it, uninstall or disable the Winamp library. It will make loading time much faster. By default, the Winamp library hangs out in the background and looks at all the music, streams, etc. that you've played, and keeps a nice index of them. So, the more media you play, the bigger the database gets, and the longer it takes to launch Winamp, thus, allowing it to get fat and giving it the opportunity to apologize for it later... unless you either uninstall the Winamp library, or configure it not to cache all that stuff behind you. God, I hope all this crap has been informative and/or useful to at least someone, as all this info has been obtained purely from experience and nothing else. Have a good slushy day. -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 12, 2007 at 12:19 AM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List winamp5.5
On 10/11/2007, 9:42:05 PM EDT, shaun runs into the room, throws a mirror at the nearest wall, and says: I don't care for the toolbar, and I don't know what remote is.ANd its all 6 extra mb to get, later. Oh, that's cool. The installer, with all the new stuff included, is bigger than my working directory, which includes all the plugins I use on a regular basis, and some that I don't. Very efficient of them over there at AOL... BTW, for anyone who cares, my entire Winamp directory is a mere 4.1 MB, and it does everything I need. -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(336)698-4417 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: noaptiva This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 12, 2007 at 12:53 AM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
