subject:"Re\: Window\-Eyes is Dead\!"

RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-31 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk

Hi Brenda,

If VFO acquired legal title to the programming code for Window-Eyes, it is 
possible for any software developers at VFO to learn the code and upgrade it if 
necessary.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Who is going to design any future Window-Eyes upgrades/versions?


   It seems like most of the staff that was at GW in Ft. Wayne is gone.  
The ZoomText update was done by AI staff - perhaps before all the major 
changes at/around VFO, and they may still have staff left.


Just a thought.

And,doug is great - he has gotten back to me to answer questions, but I 
think he is the only one there.


Brenda


On 1/31/2017 8:46 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> They are still selling  SMA's and if their intention is to kill it, I believe 
> that would be illegal. I email Doug last week and got a response right away. 
> I am sure they are still in the mist of the merger. ZoomText just came out 
> with a new version.
>- Original Message -
>From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:25 PM
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>
>Peter: that is my very point.
>
>Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question 
> way, and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  
> Doug, David Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and 
> all know what is going on.
>
>So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
> disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
> us a corporate update.
>
>
>
>Vaughan.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
>To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Oh yeah,
>
>Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
> nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
> recently?
>
>Peter Duran
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
>To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years 
> now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
> released, I'm sure.
>
>
>Charlie Short
>
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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-31 Thread Moe Adl via Talk

To add to your thought,you can buy the current version of window Eyes on CD
for $20 in case. 

Moe.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:40 AM
To: Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's one thing to think about.  Microsoft will be coming out with windows 
10 creative update around April.  Will window-eyes work with it?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:03 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

Mike

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-31 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

Here's one thing to think about.  Microsoft will be coming out with windows 
10 creative update around April.  Will window-eyes work with it?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:03 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

Mike

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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-31 Thread Brenda via Talk

Who is going to design any future Window-Eyes upgrades/versions?

It seems like most of the staff that was at GW in Ft. Wayne is gone.
The ZoomText update was done by AI staff - perhaps before all the major
changes at/around VFO, and they may still have staff left.

Just a thought.

And,doug is great - he has gotten back to me to answer questions, but I
think he is the only one there.

Brenda

On 1/31/2017 8:46 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

They are still selling SMA's and if their intention is to kill it, I believe
that would be illegal. I email Doug last week and got a response right away. I
am sure they are still in the mist of the merger. ZoomText just came out with a
new version.
- Original Message -
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Peter: that is my very point.

Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question
way, and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved. Doug,
David Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know
what is going on.

So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give
us a corporate update.

Vaughan.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel? Have you noticed (I guess not) that
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
recently?

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on! Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.

Charlie Short

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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-31 Thread Loy via Talk

Peter: that is my very point.

So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give
us a corporate update.

Vaughan.

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel? Have you noticed (I guess not) that
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
recently?

Peter Duran

Go on, Charles, go on! Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years now
and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.

Charlie Short

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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-30 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Regardless of what happens with WE, you can't conflate a lack of support 
with the demise of a product.  With mergers there are organizational 
changes which will be made.

On 1/30/2017 8:10 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Oh yeah,
>
> Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
> nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
> recently?
>
> Peter Duran
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
> To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
> now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
> released, I'm sure.
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-30 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Peter: that is my very point.

Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question way, 
and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  Doug, David 
Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know what is 
going on.

So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
us a corporate update.



Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
recently?

Peter Duran



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Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
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To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years now 
and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-30 Thread Peter Duran via Talk

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
recently?

Peter Duran



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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

2017-01-30 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

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Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.

Charlie Short

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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Actually yes: and some of us have.  We've contacted VFO and I for one never 
even got the courtesy of an auto response.
And further yes: alert people through opinion and evidence that what is 
happening is important, and that assuming that VFO still has someone looking 
after this list through AI Squared - continue to express disatisfaction.

VFO has at least two choices: a growing number of unhappy and dissatisfied 
customers, or a growing number of satisfied customers.  The choice is VFO's.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 9:25 a.m.
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar what. 
 If not, why not save yourselves time?

Kim Lingo


-Original Message-
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have nothing 
to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture, is 
about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Brenda via Talk

I think what is relevant depends on who you are.  I was going about my 
life and had no idea of the issues until I got the email about the 
emergency update.  A call to tech support further alarmed me so I posted 
my question/concern to this list.  The replies gave me some idea of what 
was going on.  I really didn't find anyone to be snyppy.  It was helpful 
and comforting to learn the history of W-e from its beginnings in the 
90s among other things related to this topic.  The replies helped me to 
process the whole situation.



I have used Window-Eyes for about 10 years, and as my vision declined I 
came to rely on it. Every day I am greeted by Window-Eyes when I turn on 
my computer.  In the past, I knew I would find the help I needed from 
the folks at GW I had gotten to know over the phone.



I will use W-E as long as I can, but it does help me to know I'm not 
alone.  And since we aren't hearing much from AI squared, at least this 
list is a way to get clues so I'm not totally in the dark.



I do not plan on continuing to discuss this, unless I have future 
questions or maybe to compare info.  And, had this list not been here, I 
would be really clueless.



With the info I have received I can go on with my life.  I hope this is 
sufficient for those who aren't happy with this topic.



thanks for your patience

Brenda




On 1/30/2017 3:25 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can 
they actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting 
to hedar what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and 
itsFuture,

is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Kim Lingo via Talk

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar 
what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Does NVDA have anything to do with Window-eyes?  The point is this list 
is filled with "irelevant  and inaccurate messages which some think, 
clutter the board..

On 1/30/2017 1:33 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
> nothing to do with Window eyes?
>
>
> Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
> is about Window Eyes?
>
> but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?
>
> Sir, you have questionable logic.
>
> Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Dave via Talk

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?  


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?  

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?  

Sir, you have questionable logic.  

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-30 Thread Jim via Talk

Jee! it would certainly be nice to actually read something Window-Eyes
related instead of a bunch of sniping jiberish! I seriously believe
their is nothing dead about Window-Eyes so why don't the folks that wish
to talk about the death of W.E. create their own group. They might call
it window-Eyes is dead. While the rest of us continue to use it.

I for one am getting sick and tired of reading about the demise of
something before it has been declared dead..?.
P.S. I do not work for nore represent in anyway ASquared so please do
not ask me that!

Jim Wohlgamuth
On 29-Jan-17 00:38, Robert Grimwood via Talk wrote:

Chris,

do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have
available.

LOL

Robert

On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready,
andgo!

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Hello again, > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-29 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

And AI Squared has not said anything if there will be support for windows 10 
Creators update coming shortly.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:06 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Nick

That's exactly Peter's point -- and both of you have said it in different
ways with the same meaning.
Effectively, future development of WE is no more.  Granted, the PR side of
it could have been handled better; but that's a completely different
issue.
The question I have is this:  the acquiring entity now has a customer base
wwhich you would expect they would want to bring over to JFW.
The way you would want to do it, I would expect, is by some nominal charge
-- or remaining SMA's -- and get that userbase onboard.
At least at my end, this hasn't happened as of   yet.
That is what surprises me, not what has happened to WE which is entirely
expected given the marketplace.
Products come and go-- and this one, sad to say, appears, from all
indications, has gone.

From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.

President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17

On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

So what's your point? In business, people come and go.

On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> company and its products suffer.

>
> All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-29 Thread Mike Pietruk via Talk

Nick

That's exactly Peter's point -- and both of you have said it in different 
ways with the same meaning.
Effectively, future development of WE is no more.  Granted, the PR side of 
it could have been handled better; but that's a completely different 
issue.
The question I have is this:  the acquiring entity now has a customer base 
wwhich you would expect they would want to bring over to JFW.  
The way you would want to do it, I would expect, is by some nominal charge 
-- or remaining SMA's -- and get that userbase onboard.
At least at my end, this hasn't happened as of   yet.
That is what surprises me, not what has happened to WE which is entirely 
expected given the marketplace.
Products come and go-- and this one, sad to say, appears, from all 
indications, has gone.


>From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17


On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

> So what's your point? In business, people come and go.
> 
> On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> > Hello again,
> >
> > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> > company and its products suffer.
> >
> > All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
> >
> > Peter Duran
> >
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-29 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

So what's your point? In business, people come and go.

On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> company and its products suffer.
>
> All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-28 Thread Robert Grimwood via Talk

Chris,

do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have
available.

LOL

Robert

On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready,
andgo!

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Hello again, > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2017-01-28 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk


Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, andgo!


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Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people who 
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

And with all that said, you still have to use whatever leverage you 
have.  VFO owes us nothing!

On 12/22/2016 6:34 AM, Tony C wrote:
> Any community that is devided such as the blind community is has very
> limited leverage on anything. Even united the blind community is a very
> small percentage of the disabled community.
>
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:19 AM
> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Bryan Peterson'
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but
> you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to
> have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's
> possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large
> part of it being partially sighted.
>
> On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it
>> isn't difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going
>> to lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good
>> program as someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE
>> I'm going to have to beg to differ, but that's another topic.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jim via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
>> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I agree!
>>
>> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO
>> regarding this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order
>> an SMA. So I think that someone is simply trying to start and continue
>> totally unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back
>> to discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting
>> and
>> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
>> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>>> friends...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling
>>>> Window-Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>>> this tell you?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called
>>>>> about
>>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-22 Thread Tony C via Talk

Any community that is devided such as the blind community is has very 
limited leverage on anything. Even united the blind community is a very 
small percentage of the disabled community.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:19 AM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Bryan Peterson'
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but
you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to
have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's
possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large
part of it being partially sighted.

On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.

Vaughan.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to 
lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as 
someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have 
to beg to differ, but that's another topic.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding 
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I 
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally 
unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing 
Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and

spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.

On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...

On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 

On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could
find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old 
girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but 
you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to 
have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's 
possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large 
part of it being partially sighted.

On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
> difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
> to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
> who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
> differ, but that's another topic.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree!
>
> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
> topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
> someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
> really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
> Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> I agree.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
>>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
>>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
>>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
>>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
>>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
>>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
>>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
>>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>>> Then

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Please don't start moderating the list (infinity).

On 12/21/2016 8:58 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> Please: don't start moderating the list.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 2:43 p.m.
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If 
> they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This 
> has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop 
> cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
> difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
> to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
> who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
> differ, but that's another topic.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree!
>
> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
> topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
> someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
> really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
> Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> I agree.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
>>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
>>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If
they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This
has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop
cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.

Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead
to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone
who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to
differ, but that's another topic.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think
that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded
rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes
and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
>> selling it?  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS 
>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and 
>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like 
>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore 
>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Tony C via Talk

ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If 
they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This 
has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop 
cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.


Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
differ, but that's another topic.


-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think 
that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded 
rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes 
and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and

spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could
find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old 
girl.


Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to
do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
   Here is something to think about- I am going to go out to the
Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with
16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.

Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead to 
more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone who 
used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
differ, but that's another topic.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
>> selling it?  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS 
>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and 
>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like 
>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore 
>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>
>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>>
>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear 
>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could 
>>>> find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>>
>>>> O

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread RJ Sandefur via Talk

I'm leaving the list. RJ


On 12/21/2016 6:23 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going 
> to lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good 
> program as someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE 
> I'm going to have to beg to differ, but that's another topic.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree!
>
> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding
> this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I
> think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally
> unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to
> discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it. PLEASE
> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> I agree.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
>> thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling 
>>> Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called 
>>>> about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
>>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>>>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
>>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
>>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
>>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
>>>>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update,
>>>>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend
>>>>> an extra $200.
>>>>> Then
>>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
>>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
>>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
>>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
>>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find
>>>>> her without someone taking our hand and lead

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
differ, but that's another topic.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally
unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to
discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update,
andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend
an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find
her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to
do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
   Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a
Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive,
for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
them and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of
JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as
the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the
owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem
with a Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to
raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they
believe the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting
paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay $600
for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen
Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few
people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on minimum wage

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Jim via Talk


I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding 
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I 
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally 
unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to 
discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and 
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE 
folks!  Have A Great Day! de


.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update,
andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend
an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find
her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to
do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
   Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a
Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive,
for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
them and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of
JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as
the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the
owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem
with a Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to
raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they
believe the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting
paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay $600
for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen
Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few
people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on minimum wage
jobs, or some level of Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than
Window Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
people to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the
days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared
I

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-21 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

Jaws is a very good program. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Veronica Smith via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:09 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about that
fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA,
mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to
read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related
articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE
will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to
learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because they
weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or floating
windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on several
different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make them speak
automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to specific colors, have
them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in many
different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say something,
speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I only
shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the beginning through
these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on scripting while prior to
its introduction everyone seemed to scream and run every time I mentioned
user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced options"
is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom

On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you 
> are talking about?  pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of 
> Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've 
> created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, 
> Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X 
> This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>
> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more 
> text than I want.
>
>
> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter 
> of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>
> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not 
> so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major 
> problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>
> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>
> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either 
> the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 
> is not displaying the Drives.
>
>> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
> If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, 
> or read by Window Eyes 9.5.
>
> This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of 
> Windows 10.
>
> These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did 
> not load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if 
> there is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like 
> this that never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that 
> will force me to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
>
> I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I 
> did in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there 
> are times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't 
&g

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-20 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
> selling it?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>
> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
> this tell you?
>
> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about 
>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>
>>
>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>
>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
>>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, 
>>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend 
>>> an extra $200.
>>> Then
>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>
>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>
>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear 
>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find 
>>> her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>
>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to 
>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>   Here is something to think about-
>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
>>> Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, 
>>> for $250.
>>>
>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>>> them and puts them up for sale.
>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>
>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as 
>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the 
>>> owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem 
>>> with a Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to 
>>> raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they 
>>> believe the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting 
>>> paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay $600 
>>> for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen 
>>> Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few 
>>> people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on minimum wage 
>>> jobs, or some level of Social Security.
>>>
>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, an

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-20 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

You know it's rumors and gosup

  like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy solves.
So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply ignore it
unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue to use this
list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes and issues
pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de .
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
>> selling it?  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS 
>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and 
>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like 
>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore 
>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>
>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>>
>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear 
>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could 
>>>> find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the 
>>>> old girl.
>>>>
>>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to 
>>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>>   Here is something to think about- I am going to go out to the 
>>>> Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 
>>>> 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.
>>>>
>>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>>>> them and puts them up for sale.
>>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>>
>>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as 
>>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>>
>>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the 
>>>> owners, and making a hea

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread kitty hevener via Talk

folks, please please let this topic die!  I'm getting carpel tunnel syndrome 
just hitting the delete key so many times.  Seriously, I think we have 
beaten this horse to death!!!

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Tillery via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:47 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Yes, and thanks for stating this.  All the speculation is nothing until the
owners of the software say things have changed!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...

On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 

On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for
$250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests
them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of
JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of
DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk

I called not too long ago to ask about buying a esp (the zt version of a
sma) for fusion the person on the phone words were "you might wanna buy one
sooner than later. so they'll sell you a sma, we and fusion. Whether you'll
get all you paid for under vfo? i'm not counting on it but y'all can be
optimistic.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Dec 18, 2016 12:18 PM, "Bob Tinney via Talk" 
wrote:

> If VFO decides to stop  selling and supporting Window-Eyes because
> JAWS cost more,they will lose me as a customer as I can not stand JAWS at
> all!  I have Narrator and NVDA as backups and WE until it won't work
> anymore!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the
>> thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

The problem isn't that you haven't received any hints, the problem is 
listers don't believe any reassurance we've received.  What you want is 
some sort of guarantee, and that' not the way business works.

On 12/18/2016 12:51 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> It is only natural to speculate about a program, most of us have used
> for a long time. In truth it isn't the fault of list members but that of
> VFO and ~Ai squared for not posting something positive about what is
> happening with Window-eyes.
>
> It really is as simple as that. If the list is being monitored by A I
> Squared staff and or maybe VFO staff. A slight hint, a positive message
> would go a long way to quell everyone's thoughts. I studied Public
> Relations at University and all I can say is that. This is the worst
> Public Relations I have ever come across to date. #No matter what
> happens this will affect both AI Squared and VFO for a long time to
> come. I truly don't understand it. One thing for sure is that, i'm glad
> I am not doing any Public Relations for either company at the oment.
>
> Live long and prosper, John
>
> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> You know it's rumors and gosup
>
>  like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy
> solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply
> ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue
> to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes
> and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de
> .
> On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
>>>> I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
>>>> future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>>>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
>>>>> good
>>>>> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
>>>>> Window Eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
>>>>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
>>>>> upgrade,
>>>>> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
>>>>> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
>>>>> Then
>>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
>>>>> trouble
>>>>> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
>>>>> else
>>>>> in my system that caused the system

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk

If VFO decides to stop  selling and supporting Window-Eyes because 
JAWS cost more,they will lose me as a customer as I can not stand JAWS 
at all!  I have Narrator and NVDA as backups and WE until it won't work 
anymore!



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 12/18/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...






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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread bj colt via Talk


Dear List,

It is only natural to speculate about a program, most of us have used for a 
long time. In truth it isn't the fault of list members but that of VFO and 
~Ai squared for not posting something positive about what is happening with 
Window-eyes.


It really is as simple as that. If the list is being monitored by A I 
Squared staff and or maybe VFO staff. A slight hint, a positive message 
would go a long way to quell everyone's thoughts. I studied Public Relations 
at University and all I can say is that. This is the worst Public Relations 
I have ever come across to date. #No matter what happens this will affect 
both AI Squared and VFO for a long time to come. I truly don't understand 
it. One thing for sure is that, i'm glad I am not doing any Public Relations 
for either company at the oment.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:35 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

You know it's rumors and gosup

 like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy
solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply
ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue
to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes
and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de
.
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Bill Tillery via Talk

Yes, and thanks for stating this.  All the speculation is nothing until the
owners of the software say things have changed!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
> selling it?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>
> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
> this tell you?
>
> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
>> I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
>> future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>
>>
>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
>>> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
>>> Window Eyes.
>>>
>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
>>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
>>> upgrade,
>>> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
>>> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
>>> Then
>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>> trouble
>>> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>
>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
>>> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>
>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
>>> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
>>> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
>>> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>
>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
>>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>   Here is something to think about-
>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
>>> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
>>> $250.
>>>
>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>>> them
>>> and puts them up for sale.
>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>>> JAWS
>>> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>
>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
>>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
>>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
>>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
>>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
>>> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
>>> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
>>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind c

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Jim via Talk


You know it's rumors and gosup

 like this that creates a great deal more problems than it actualy 
solves.  So, when we here a rumor or a tid bit of gosup we should simply 
ignore it unless it comes directly from AISquared or VFO. Lets continue 
to use this list for what it was intended for, discussing Window-Eyes 
and issues pertaining to Window-Eyes.  Catch Ya Later! de

.
On 18-Dec-16 12:17, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
good

job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
else

in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's 
eyes,

as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good. And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, 
and so

when I did have those times when my

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's the 
thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
friends...





On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
selling it?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW 
Micro.

And I do not know if this is only because some of the old

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still selling 
it?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 

On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Jim via Talk

Actually I will phone support with questions and when I do I always get 
my problems resolved.  I actually did send support a couple emails in 
the last month and both times I got a response within approximately 7 to 
10 days.  The Number I call is (260)489-3671 and press option 3.  
Generally The operater will come on and ask how she can direct your call 
and also ask for your name.  I give my name and then tell her I wish to 
speak with someone in tech support and she connects me right up.  Not 
certain of the number that Pam is using, but I presume she has had a 
similar experience.  BTW, There have been times that I simply left a 
message and they got back to me the same day or at the latest the next 
day.  Good Luck BRICE! and Have A Great Day! de


.


On 18-Dec-16 11:32, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I never emaille support.  I always get on the phone to them, so I can 
talk one on one with somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
upgrade,

and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
trouble

installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
$250.


We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
them

and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
JAWS

is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program? After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of 
DOS to

just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there 
were

times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

I never emaille support.  I always get on the phone to them, so I can talk 
one on one with somebody.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 

On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

   And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 

On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk

You were responded to directly on this list, why reply to the same question 
twice?
It was about your default set being loaded in file explorer.  This is correct.

Chris



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent support a 
question and still haven't heard back from them. What does this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about 
> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
> APPRECIATE!. 
>
>
> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>> than Window Eyes.
>>
>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and 
>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest 
>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, 
>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra 
>> $200.
>> Then
>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>
>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>
>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's 
>> eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without 
>> someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>
>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do 
>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>   Here is something to think about-
>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a 
>> Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for 
>> $250.
>>
>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests 
>> them and puts them up for sale.
>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of 
>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>
>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the 
>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>
>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners, 
>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a 
>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its 
>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe 
>> the Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for 
>> by our Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can 
>> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of 
>> Social Security.
>>
>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than 
>> Window Eyes, in some cases.
>>
>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they 
>> interacted with their customers.
>>
>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of 
>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days 
>> of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I 
>> felt their customer service and program support was very very good.  
>> And there were times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at 
>> the time.
>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a 
>> problem.
>>
>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and 
>> so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock 
>> up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other 
>>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Ten years is a long time to use a product you don't like.  Did you not 
know about WE when you first purchased Jaws, or did the quality of Jaws 
decrease over the years?

On 12/17/2016 6:15 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years 
> before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about that
>> fish. Tell me why or why not. V
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
>> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
>> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA,
>> mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to
>> read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related
>> articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE
>> will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to
>> learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Pam,
>>
>> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
>> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
>> they weren't called scripting.
>>
>> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
>> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
>> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
>> them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
>> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
>>
>> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
>> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
>> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
>> and on.
>>
>> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
>> only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
>> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
>> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
>> run every time I mentioned user windows.
>>
>> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
>> options" is checked under the Help menu.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
>>> are talking about?  pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
>>> eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
>>> for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
>>> 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
>>> way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>>>
>>> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
>>> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
>>> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
>>> than I want.
>>>
>>>
>>> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
>>> going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>>>
>>> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
>>> so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
>>> using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>>>
>>> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>>>
>>> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
>>> the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 i

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

To be fair, a new copy of WE isn't significantly less expensive than 
Jaws.  That said, price was a contributing factor in my decision to 
purchase WE back in 2001.  Back then, I paid basically the same price 
for my PC as I did for WE.  The only reason PCs have gone significantly 
down in price is the market isn't all that interested.

On 12/17/2016 8:27 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
> Window Eyes.
>
> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.  Then
> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>
> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>
> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>
> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>  Here is something to think about-
> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.
>
> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
> and puts them up for sale.
> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>
> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>
> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
> Social Security.
>
> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
> Eyes, in some cases.
>
> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
> interacted with their customers.
>
> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
> to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
> just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
> customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
> times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
> problem.
>
> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
> when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
> was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
> including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
> Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.
>
> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
> gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
> is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
> at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
> by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
> decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
> Window Eyes etc.
>
> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
> but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
> Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
> won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
> do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-18 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

It tells me nothing.  While I admit I have rarely e-mailed "support," I 
found much more success with phone support than e-mail.

On 12/17/2016 9:35 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
> this tell you?
>
> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
>> I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
>> future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
>> Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>
>>
>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
>>> job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
>>> Window Eyes.
>>>
>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
>>> they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest
>>> upgrade,
>>> and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
>>> all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
>>> Then
>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
>>> installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>
>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
>>> in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>
>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
>>> we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
>>> as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
>>> taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>
>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
>>> with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>   Here is something to think about-
>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
>>> Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for
>>> $250.
>>>
>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
>>> and puts them up for sale.
>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
>>> is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>
>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
>>> computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>
>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
>>> and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
>>> Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
>>> uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
>>> Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
>>> Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
>>> why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After
>>> all,
>>> Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
>>> afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
>>> Social Security.
>>>
>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
>>> Eyes, in some cases.
>>>
>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
>>> interacted with their customers.
>>>
>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
>>> to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
>>> just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
>>> customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
>>> times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
>>> when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
>>> was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
>>> including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
>>> Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.
>>>
>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
>>> gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
>>> is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
>>> at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
>>> by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
>>>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread brice Mijares via Talk

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
this tell you?


On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.

Grumpy Dave

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Jim via Talk


Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far as 
I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate 
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about 
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for the 
future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS about 
Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
APPRECIATE!. 



On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.  Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.
  Here is something to think about-
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time.
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro.
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.

Grumpy Dave







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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Jim via Talk


Is this nonsense going to start all over? I certainly hope not!

THANKS de

.


On 17-Dec-16 20:40, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:

It always was, at least since they became Greedom.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well with? Speaking of "the 
shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, or Bleed 'Em Scientific, or one I came up with 
"Free-dumb" Scientific.
Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>

wrote:

Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to

using the Shark.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


 From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Loy via Talk

Window Eyes is the best out there in my opinion. It is not perfect, but none of 
the screen readers are perfect.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bryan Peterson via Talk 
  To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  Window

  It always was, at least since they became Greedom.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  > 
  > Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well with? 
Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, or Bleed 'Em 
Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.
  > Kim Lingo
  > 
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
  > To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  > 
  > Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  > Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
  > To: Veronica Smith
  > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  > 
  > Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
  > before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>
  > wrote:
  >> 
  >> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
  >> that fish. Tell me why or why not. V
  >> 
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
  >> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  >> 
  >> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
  >> NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
  >> of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
  >> various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
  >> them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
  >> for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to
  > using the Shark.
  >> 
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
  >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
  >> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  >> 
  >> Pam,
  >> 
  >> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
  >> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
  >> they weren't called scripting.
  >> 
  >> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
  >> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
  >> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
  >> make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
  >> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
  >> 
  >> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
  >> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
  >> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
  >> and on.
  >> 
  >> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
  >> I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
  >> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
  >> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
  >> and run every time I mentioned user windows.
  >> 
  >> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
  >> options" is checked under the Help menu.
  >> 
  >> Regards,
  >> Tom
  >> 
  >> 
  >>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
  >>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
  >>> you are talking about?  pam.
  >>> 
  >>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
  >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
  >>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  >>> 
  >>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

It always was, at least since they became Greedom.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well with? 
> Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, or Bleed 'Em 
> Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.
> Kim Lingo
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
> To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
> To: Veronica Smith
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
> before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
>> that fish. Tell me why or why not. V
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
>> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> 
>> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
>> NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
>> of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
>> various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
>> them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
>> for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to
> using the Shark.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> 
>> Pam,
>> 
>> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
>> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
>> they weren't called scripting.
>> 
>> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
>> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
>> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
>> make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
>> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
>> 
>> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
>> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
>> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
>> and on.
>> 
>> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
>> I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
>> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
>> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
>> and run every time I mentioned user windows.
>> 
>> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
>> options" is checked under the Help menu.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
>>> you are talking about?  pam.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>> 
>>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
>>> Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
>>> created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
>>> Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
>>> 8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>>> 
>>> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
>>> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Don H via Talk

I can say that NVDA does a better job on some things than WE.  Fewer 
loss of speech on web pages and better reading of some sites.  Having 
said that I would rather WE keep going and improving so we have a choice.


On 12/17/2016 7:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:

Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well
with? Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction,
or Bleed 'Em Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.
Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>

wrote:


Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to

using the Shark.


-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one

time.

If I want to send another file,

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Dave via Talk

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very good
job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job than
Window Eyes.  

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, and
they always want Money Money Money for their latest and greatest upgrade,
and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an Update, andcx isn't
all that much better than what you had bfore you spend an extra $200.  Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has trouble
installing on more than one or two Systems.  

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something else
in my system that caused the system lock up.  

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves and
we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear Grandmother's eyes,
as she awaits her funeral, if we only could find her without someone
taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.  

Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to do
with the desperation of many who are Blind.  
 Here is something to think about-  
I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad
Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests them
and puts them up for sale.  
So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of JAWS
is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.  

When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as the
computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.  

And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the owners,
and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem with a
Company doing.  But there is the Greed factor that tends to raise its 
uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what they believe the
Market will bare.  And with most program sales getting paid for by our
Government, the same government that will pay $600 for a Toilet Seat,
why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen Reader program?After all,
Uncle SAM is good for it, even though few people who are Blind can
afford it, with most living on minimum wage jobs, or some level of
Social Security.  

JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than Window
Eyes, in some cases.   

I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
interacted with their customers.  

I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of people
to work and deal with when you needed to do so.  From the days of DOS to
just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I Squared  I felt their
customer service and program support was very very good.  And there were
times when the guys could not fix what ever my issue was at the time. 
But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a
problem.  

I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, and so
when I did have those times when my system would freeze or lock up, I
was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other program,
including Windows Itself  to be the culprit before I considered the
Screen Reader.   That is the very high level of reliability I came to
expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years.  

Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW Micro. 
And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are now
gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if what I sense
is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how those who still work
at GW Micro do their jobs.  And now that A I Squared has been swallowed
by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a greater distance theTop
decision makers  have from the every day user of Window Eyes.So it
takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to
Window Eyes etc.  

Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader.  I use NVDA on occasion,
but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need from a Screen
Reader.  There may come a Day when I must buy my own copy of JAWS.  I
won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town, then what choice
do I have?I will reluctantly make my purchase.  

Grumpy Dave







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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk

ug. i thought this thread was dead ages agoit's the thread that 
never dies! sounds like a horror movie! lol!




On 12/17/2016 8:08 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well 
with? Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, 
or Bleed 'Em Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.

Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>

wrote:


Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to

using the Shark.


-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and 
on.


Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows 
Standard.

I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in 
Becky.


When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one

time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown,
or read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem start

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Kim Lingo via Talk

Are there already a lot of things that Window-Eyes doesn't work well with? 
Speaking of "the shark", I rather liked Freedom Science Fiction, or Bleed 
'Em Scientific, or one I came up with "Free-dumb" Scientific.

Kim Lingo


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:21 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>

wrote:


Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about
that fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with
NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version
of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the
various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read
them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing
for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to

using the Shark.


-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or
make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced.
I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream
and run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom



On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've
created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows,
Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes
8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter
of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one

time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown,
or read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition
of Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did
not load correctly, or

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

Your right about JAWS now that it is under VFO

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:15 PM
To: Veronica Smith
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years
before I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net>
wrote:
> 
> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about 
> that fish. Tell me why or why not. V
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with 
> NVDA, mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version 
> of WE to read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the 
> various related articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read 
> them. I do hope that WE will continue to be around but I'm preparing 
> for the worst by trying to learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to
using the Shark.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> Pam,
> 
> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less 
> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because 
> they weren't called scripting.
> 
> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or 
> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on 
> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or 
> make them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to 
> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
> 
> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in 
> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say 
> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on 
> and on.
> 
> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. 
> I only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the 
> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on 
> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream 
> and run every time I mentioned user windows.
> 
> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced 
> options" is checked under the Help menu.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows 
>> you are talking about?  pam.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> 
>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of 
>> Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've 
>> created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, 
>> Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 
>> 8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>> 
>> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
>> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
>> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more 
>> text than I want.
>> 
>> 
>> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter 
>> of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>> 
>> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and 
>> not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major 
>> problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>> 
>> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>> 
>> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because 
>> either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or 
>> Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.
>> 
>>> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one
time.
>> If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, 
>&g

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

Because the Shark is a piece of crap. I used it for ten or twelve years before 
I switched to WE and hated it. I will never go back.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Veronica Smith <madison_t...@spinn.net> wrote:
> 
> Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about that
> fish. Tell me why or why not. V
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
> To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA, 
> mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to 
> read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related 
> articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE 
> will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to 
> learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> Pam,
> 
> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
> they weren't called scripting.
> 
> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
> floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
> several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
> them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
> specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
> 
> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
> many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
> something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
> and on.
> 
> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
> only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
> beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
> scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
> run every time I mentioned user windows.
> 
> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
> options" is checked under the Help menu.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
>> are talking about?  pam.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> 
>> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
>> eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
>> for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
>> 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
>> way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>> 
>> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
>> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
>> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
>> than I want.
>> 
>> 
>> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
>> going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>> 
>> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
>> so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
>> using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>> 
>> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>> 
>> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
>> the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
>> not displaying the Drives.
>> 
>>> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
>> If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
>> read by Window Eyes 9.5.
>> 
>> This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
>> Windows 10.
>> 
>> These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
>> load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
>> is no more development on

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-17 Thread Veronica Smith via Talk

Why not use the shark? I've only ever used WE so don't know much about that
fish. Tell me why or why not. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:19 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA, 
mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to 
read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related 
articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE 
will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to 
learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom

On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
> are talking about?  pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
> eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
> for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
> 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
> way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
>
> This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
> than I want.
>
>
> I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
> going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
>
> I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
> so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
> using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
>
> I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
>
> When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
> the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
> not displaying the Drives.
>
>> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
> If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
> read by Window Eyes 9.5.
>
> This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
> Windows 10.
>
> These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
> load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
> is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
> never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
> to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
>
> I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
> in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
> times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
> read as well as it did in 8.X.
>
> I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
> the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
> quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
> that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliab

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-01 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

And how about the following!  To me this means the end of Window-Eyes
It is true that this former AI Squared dealer and several others has been 
kicked to the curb by the new owners like so much trash after years of 
faithful service.

Best regards, Earle Harrison President Triumph Technology, LLC. 4110 Central 
Ave. NE. Suite 201 Columbia Heights, MN 55421 Ph: 651-636-5184 ext 801 Fx: 
866-347-8249 Em:

ea...@attriumph.com

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

If you think those voices are free to use, go back and look at the price of
Jaws, and then the price of update plans.

-Original Message- 
From: Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:18 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
jaws.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President, but 
not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is dead, 
but no one knows.

   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who 
are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are 
just not telling the paying customers.

   Vaughan.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just 
speculation.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk

   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any 
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates 
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for 
an update. Has app development been discontinued?

   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com

   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg.

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-01 Thread Tony C via Talk

If you think those voices are free to use, go back and look at the price of 
Jaws, and then the price of update plans.

-Original Message- 
From: Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:18 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
jaws.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President, but 
not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is dead, 
but no one knows.

   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who 
are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are 
just not telling the paying customers.

   Vaughan.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just 
speculation.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk

   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any 
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates 
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for 
an update. Has app development been discontinued?

   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com

   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
   > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
   > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi there FOLKS!
   >
   > I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
   > they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would 
sell

   > something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of
   > this

   > speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from 
where

   > it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-12-01 Thread David via Talk

Pretty sure, that lasted far into the 2000's. Seem to remember they had 
the standard and professional version, when I first got in touch with 
the screen reader - must have been sometime around 2005-2006. Well, 
memory could play me a trick.


David

On 12/1/2016 6:46 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> back in the 90's gw did have a home and perfessional version. don't 
> remember if it was vocal eyes or window eyes.
> i
>
> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Nothing is free with JAWS. You can pay 100 dollars more than Window-Eyes
> for the home edition or 200 more for the Professional edition.
> Window-Eyes is comparable to the professional edition because GW has
> never played the insidious game FS has. The only thing that is free are
> the limitations and hassles of primarily being considered a criminal
> with the afterthought of a customer almost being tossed in.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 9:18 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote:
>> That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
>> the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
>> jaws.
>>
>> Kenny Peyatt jr.
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President,
>>> but not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is
>>> dead, but no one knows.
>>>- Original Message -
>>>    From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>>To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>
>>>There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers
>>> who are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.
>>> They are just not telling the paying customers.
>>>
>>>Vaughan.
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>    From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
>>>To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
>>>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just
>>> speculation.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
>>>To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped
>>> out window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.
>>>
>>>    -Original Message-
>>>From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
>>>To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Stephen Clark via Talk
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
>>>To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to
>>> any of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant
>>> improvements/updates for the apps, but I can't even remember the last
>>> time I was prompted for an update. Has app development been 
>>> discontinued?
>>>I hope not, but it sure seems that way.
>>>
>>>On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  
>>> Clearly - a
>>>> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating
>>> system
>>>> and third party software - but if development of window-eyes 
>>> ceases,
>>>> the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
>>>> standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems. And: VFO and 
>>> the
>>>> old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread net bat via Talk

back in the 90's gw did have a home and perfessional version. don't remember if 
it was vocal eyes or window eyes.

i

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:09 PM
To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Nothing is free with JAWS. You can pay 100 dollars more than Window-Eyes
for the home edition or 200 more for the Professional edition.
Window-Eyes is comparable to the professional edition because GW has
never played the insidious game FS has. The only thing that is free are
the limitations and hassles of primarily being considered a criminal
with the afterthought of a customer almost being tossed in.

Tom

On 11/30/2016 9:18 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote:

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
jaws.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President,
but not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is
dead, but no one knows.
   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers
who are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.
They are just not telling the paying customers.

   Vaughan.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just
speculation.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped
out window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to
any of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant
improvements/updates for the apps, but I can't even remember the last
time I was prompted for an update. Has app development been discontinued?
   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating
system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a

   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   >
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com
   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
   > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
   > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: Re: W

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Nothing is free with JAWS. You can pay 100 dollars more than Window-Eyes 
for the home edition or 200 more for the Professional edition. 
Window-Eyes is comparable to the professional edition because GW has 
never played the insidious game FS has. The only thing that is free are 
the limitations and hassles of primarily being considered a criminal 
with the afterthought of a customer almost being tossed in.

Tom

On 11/30/2016 9:18 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote:

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with
jaws.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President,
but not so. Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is
dead, but no one knows.
   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers
who are setting the direction for all the companies in the group.
They are just not telling the paying customers.

   Vaughan.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just
speculation.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped
out window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to
any of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant
improvements/updates for the apps, but I can't even remember the last
time I was prompted for an update. Has app development been discontinued?
   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating
system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a

   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   >
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com
   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
   > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
   > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi there FOLKS!
   >
   > I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
   > they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would
sell
   > something if the product was no longer going to be supported.
All of

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

That could be true too, what would be neat, is if VFO made it where all 
the vocalizer voices are free to use with window-eyes like they are with 
jaws.


Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 11/30/2016 9:02 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President, but not so. 
Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is dead, but no one 
knows.
   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!


   There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who are 
setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are just not 
telling the paying customers.

   Vaughan.


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
   To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just 
speculation.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
   To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

   -Original Message-
   From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
   To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Stephen Clark via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
   To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

   Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any of 
the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates for the 
apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for an update. Has 
app development been discontinued?
   I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

   On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
   > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
   > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
   > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
   > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
   > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
   > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
   >
   > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
   > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
   > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
   > give us

   > some official goss.
   >
   >
   > Vaughan.
   >
   >
   >
   > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
   > emailing

   > or faxing any new referrals.
   >
   >
   http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
   uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com
   > ] On

   > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
   > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
   > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
   > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
   >
   >
   >
   > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
   > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
   > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi there FOLKS!
   >
   > I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
   > they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell
   > something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of
   > this

   > speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where
   > it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say
   > lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as
   > well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing
   > screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?
   > Catch Ya All Later! de
   >
   > .
   >

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Loy via Talk

All the people in the know thought Hillary was to be the President, but not so. 
Might be the same with Window Eyes, everyone thinks it is dead, but no one 
knows.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
  To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:40 PM
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!


  There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who are 
setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are just not 
telling the paying customers.

  Vaughan.


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
  To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

  Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just speculation.

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
  To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

  I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out window 
eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

  -Original Message-
  From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
  To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

  I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

  -Original Message-
  From: Stephen Clark via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

  Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any of 
the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates for the 
apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for an update. Has 
app development been discontinued?
  I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

  On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
  > But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
  > screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system 
  > and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, 
  > the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long 
  > standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the 
  > old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
  >
  > AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
  > Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
  > Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
  > give us

  > some official goss.
  >
  >
  > Vaughan.
  >
  >
  >
  > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
  > emailing

  > or faxing any new referrals.
  >
  >
  http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
  uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com
  > ] On

  > Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
  > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
  > To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  >
  > Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the 
  > functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is 
  > create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
  >
  >
  >
  > From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
  > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
  > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  >
  >
  >
  > Hi there FOLKS!
  >
  > I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time 
  > they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
  > something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of 
  > this

  > speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where 
  > it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say 
  > lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as 
  > well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing 
  > screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  
  > Catch Ya All Later! de
  >
  > .
  >
  >
  >
  > On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  >
  > Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I 
  > have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to 
  > discuss the situation of what was happening and he was

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

There are people who do know: they are the various decision makers who are 
setting the direction for all the companies in the group.  They are just not 
telling the paying customers.

Vaughan.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:25 p.m.
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Pamela Dominguez'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just speculation.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out window 
eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any of the 
Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates for the apps, 
but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for an update. Has app 
development been discontinued?
I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system 
> and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, 
> the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long 
> standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the 
> old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
>
> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
> give us

> some official goss.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
> emailing

> or faxing any new referrals.
>
>
http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com
> ] On

> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the 
> functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is 
> create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>
>
>
> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>
>
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time 
> they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
> something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of 
> this

> speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where 
> it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say 
> lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as 
> well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing 
> screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  
> Catch Ya All Later! de
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I 
> have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to 
> discuss the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he 
> told me that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have 
> an optolek branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our 
> dealer that they could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that 
> he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Su

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

Well nobody knows for sure if its truly dead or not. Its all just
speculation.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:43 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for
an update. Has app development been discontinued?
I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
> third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
> of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
> which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
> organisationally very different in character.
>
> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us

> some official goss.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing

> or faxing any new referrals.
>
>
http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On

> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
> of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
> uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>
>
>
> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>
>
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
> are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
> something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this

> speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
> should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
> continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
> supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
> readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
> Later! de
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
> contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
> the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
> that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
> branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
> could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
> surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Hi all,
>
> When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business 
> dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or 
> wants to support a product that is given away for free.
>
> I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an 
> alternative screen reader for the future.
>
> Peter Duran
> ___
> Any views or opinions pr

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-30 Thread Tony C via Talk

I guess the Jaws people will be going crazy now because they wiped out 
window eyes. Even if it hurts the blind community as a whole.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:32 PM
To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Clark via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for
an update. Has app development been discontinued?
I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
organisationally very different in character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us 
some official goss.

Vaughan.

Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing 
or faxing any new referrals.

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
uncertainty when this topic is discussed.

From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this 
speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
Later! de

.

On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi all,

When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business 
dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or 
wants to support a product that is given away for free.

I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an 
alternative screen reader for the future.

Peter Duran
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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

Well Window-Eyes has a JAWS keyboard layout so even if Window-Eyes did
become the screen reader by vFO JAWS users could easally transition
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:13 PM
To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

All the Jaws users would be really upset?

On 11/29/2016 10:33 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. wrote:
> What would happen, if the window-eyes screenreader becomes the only 
> screen reader?
>
> Kenny Peyatt jr.
>
>
> On 11/29/2016 8:43 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Regardless of WE's future, it would be unexpected to receive all the 
>> services you are used to (from WE) during its transition.
>>
>> On 11/29/2016 8:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public 
>>> betas that users could try out on their own machines first and 
>>> report back any problems or suggestions. That way it would make it 
>>> even more stable on as many systems as they possibly could prior to the
official release.
>>>
>>> Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless 
>>> you counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found 
>>> that each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade 
>>> instead of an upgrade.
>>> Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.
>>>
>>> On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>>> There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make 
>>>> sure the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before 
>>>> they were done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are 
>>>> not necessarily as sound, as if they felt they had to start 
>>>> competing with jaws.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
>>>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find 
>>>> with each subsequent release the functionality improves 
>>>> considerably.  I realize that they do not come out with updates as 
>>>> frequently as a lot of other software manufacturers do, but as far 
>>>> as I can tell Window-Eyes is still very functional.  Can you give 
>>>> me a specific example of where it is losing its functionality? Just 
>>>> curious.  Catch Ya Later! de
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>>>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - 
>>>>> a screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating 
>>>>> system and third party software - but if development of 
>>>>> window-eyes ceases, the rest of software world still marches on.  
>>>>> And: there are long standing bugs which now fall into legacy 
>>>>> problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are organisationally very
different in character.
>>>>>
>>>>> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
>>>>> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
>>>>> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
>>>>> give us some official goss.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
>>>>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/
>>>>> regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.window-eyes
>>>>> .com]
>>>>>
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
>>>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with yo

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

All the Jaws users would be really upset?

On 11/29/2016 10:33 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. wrote:
> What would happen, if the window-eyes screenreader becomes the only
> screen reader?
>
> Kenny Peyatt jr.
>
>
> On 11/29/2016 8:43 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Regardless of WE's future, it would be unexpected to receive all the
>> services you are used to (from WE) during its transition.
>>
>> On 11/29/2016 8:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public betas
>>> that users could try out on their own machines first and report back any
>>> problems or suggestions. That way it would make it even more stable on
>>> as many systems as they possibly could prior to the official release.
>>>
>>> Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless you
>>> counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found that
>>> each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade instead of
>>> an upgrade.
>>> Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.
>>>
>>> On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>>> There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make
>>>> sure
>>>> the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were
>>>> done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are not
>>>> necessarily
>>>> as sound, as if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
>>>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
>>>> each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
>>>> realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a
>>>> lot of
>>>> other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell
>>>> Window-Eyes is
>>>> still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
>>>> is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>>>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
>>>>> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
>>>>> and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
>>>>> the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
>>>>> standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
>>>>> old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
>>>>>
>>>>> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
>>>>> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
>>>>> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
>>>>> give us some official goss.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
>>>>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>>
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
>>>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
>>>>> functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
>>>>> create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
>>>>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Jim via Talk

It seem as though I received an update to an APP.  I believe it was tool 
kit if I remember correctly and it was about a week or 2 ago.


  Catch Ya Later! de
.
On 29-Nov-16 21:32, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for
an update. Has app development been discontinued?
I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system 
and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, 
the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long 
standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the 
old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.


AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
give us some official goss.



Vaughan.



Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
emailing or faxing any new referrals.


http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html 




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the 
functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is 
create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.




From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!



Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time 
they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would 
sell something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  
All of this speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion 
away from where it should be, discussing the actual functionality of 
W.E.  So I say lets continue to use the product for as long as it's 
being produced as well as supported and if or when we have to cross a 
bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this 
discussion then..? Catch Ya All Later! de


.



On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I 
have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes 
to discuss the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, 
and he told me that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada 
does have an optolek branch here, come and visit him, and the head 
told our dealer that they could sell both Optolek and Freedom 
products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up in 
the same channel.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi all,

When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the 
business dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o 
needs to or wants to support a product that is given away for free.


I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA 
as an alternative screen reader for the future.


Peter Duran
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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

That would be the most unexpected news in the adaptive tech indestry.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:33 PM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

What would happen, if the window-eyes screenreader becomes the only screen
reader?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 11/29/2016 8:43 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> Regardless of WE's future, it would be unexpected to receive all the 
> services you are used to (from WE) during its transition.
>
> On 11/29/2016 8:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>> I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public betas 
>> that users could try out on their own machines first and report back 
>> any problems or suggestions. That way it would make it even more 
>> stable on as many systems as they possibly could prior to the official
release.
>>
>> Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless you 
>> counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found that 
>> each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade instead 
>> of an upgrade.
>> Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.
>>
>> On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make 
>>> sure the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before 
>>> they were done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are 
>>> not necessarily as sound, as if they felt they had to start competing
with jaws.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
>>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with 
>>> each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I 
>>> realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a 
>>> lot of other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell 
>>> Window-Eyes is still very functional.  Can you give me a specific 
>>> example of where it is losing its functionality? Just curious.  
>>> Catch Ya Later! de
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - 
>>>> a screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating 
>>>> system and third party software - but if development of window-eyes 
>>>> ceases, the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there 
>>>> are long standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: 
>>>> VFO and the old GW Micro are organisationally very different in
character.
>>>>
>>>> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
>>>> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
>>>> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
>>>> give us some official goss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vaughan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
>>>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>>>
>>>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/r
>>>> egional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.window-eyes.
>>>> com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
>>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the 
>>>> functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is 
>>>> create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
>>>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> I recen

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

What would happen, if the window-eyes screenreader becomes the only 
screen reader?


Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 11/29/2016 8:43 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Regardless of WE's future, it would be unexpected to receive all the
services you are used to (from WE) during its transition.

On 11/29/2016 8:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public betas
that users could try out on their own machines first and report back any
problems or suggestions. That way it would make it even more stable on
as many systems as they possibly could prior to the official release.

Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless you
counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found that
each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade instead of
an upgrade.
Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.

On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure
the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were
done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily
as sound, as if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
give us some official goss.


Vaughan.


Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
emailing or faxing any new referrals.

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.


From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!


Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell
something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of
this speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from
where it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I
say lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being
produced as well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge
of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion
then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de

.


On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I
have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to
discuss the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he
told me that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have
an optolek branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our
dealer that they could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that
he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
   -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
   Hi all,
   When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the
business dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o
needs to or wants to support a product that is given away for free

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

I think there was something a few months ago.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Clark via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for
an update. Has app development been discontinued?
I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
organisationally very different in character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us 
some official goss.

Vaughan.

Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing 
or faxing any new referrals.

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
uncertainty when this topic is discussed.

From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this 
speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
Later! de

.

On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi all,

When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business 
dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or 
wants to support a product that is given away for free.

I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an 
alternative screen reader for the future.

Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

Regardless of WE's future, it would be unexpected to receive all the 
services you are used to (from WE) during its transition.

On 11/29/2016 8:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public betas
> that users could try out on their own machines first and report back any
> problems or suggestions. That way it would make it even more stable on
> as many systems as they possibly could prior to the official release.
>
> Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless you
> counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found that
> each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade instead of
> an upgrade.
> Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.
>
> On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure
>> the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were
>> done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily
>> as sound, as if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
>> each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
>> realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
>> other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
>> still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
>> is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
>>> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
>>> and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
>>> the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
>>> standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
>>> old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
>>>
>>> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
>>> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
>>> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
>>> give us some official goss.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vaughan.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
>>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>>
>>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
>>> functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
>>> create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
>>> they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell
>>> something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of
>>> this speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from
>>> where it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I
>>> say lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being
>>> produced as well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge
>>> of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion
>>> then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dea

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk

I completely agree. Also remember how GW used to release public betas 
that users could try out on their own machines first and report back any 
problems or suggestions. That way it would make it even more stable on 
as many systems as they possibly could prior to the official release.


Once AI Squared took over there were no more public betas (unless you 
counted the actual release which were more like betas). I found that 
each release became less stable and was more like a downgrade instead of 
an upgrade.

Sorry for being so negative, but this has been my experience.

On 11/28/2016 8:09 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure
the updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were
done.  I find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily
as sound, as if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system
and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases,
the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long
standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the
old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to
give us some official goss.


Vaughan.


Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to
emailing or faxing any new referrals.

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the
functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is
create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.


From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!


Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time
they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell
something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of
this speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from
where it should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I
say lets continue to use the product for as long as it's being
produced as well as supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge
of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion
then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de

.


On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I
have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to
discuss the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he
told me that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have
an optolek branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our
dealer that they could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that
he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
  -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  Hi all,
  When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the
business dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o
needs to or wants to support a product that is given away for free.
  I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA
as an alternative screen reader for the future.
  Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk

Here's another thing. When was the last time there was an update to any 
of the Window-eyes apps? There used to be constant improvements/updates 
for the apps, but I can't even remember the last time I was prompted for 
an update. Has app development been discontinued?

I hope not, but it sure seems that way.

On 11/27/2016 2:51 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a screen 
reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and third party 
software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest of software world 
still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs which now fall into legacy 
problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are organisationally very different in 
character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.  Because AI 
Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to Window-Eyes, and had 
produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us some official goss.


Vaughan.



Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
faxing any new referrals.

http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality of 
Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and uncertainty 
when this topic is discussed.



From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!



Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they are 
still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell something if the 
product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this speculation is doing 
nothing but taking the discussion away from where it should be, discussing the 
actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets continue to use the product for as 
long as it's being produced as well as supported and if or when we have to 
cross a bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this 
discussion then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de

.



On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss the 
situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me that he had 
the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek branch here, come 
and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they could sell both Optolek 
and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up 
in the same channel.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi all,

When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business dies a 
quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or wants to 
support a product that is given away for free.

I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an 
alternative screen reader for the future.

Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread brice Mijares via Talk


Chris, are you part of the GW staff?

On 11/29/2016 10:22 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

I thought only the teacher and adults talked like that in peanuts land? (smile)


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:13 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Guess i will try to investigate these.  Never understood what they were for and when 
people talk about them, I feel like one of the Peanuts kids.  Everything sounds like: 
"wha, wah wah, wah."  No matter how long a use computers, I'm still a dummy.



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www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 00:52:21 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less scripting 
in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because they weren't 
called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or floating 
windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on several different 
things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make them speak automatically 
or make them silent. You can tie them to specific colors, have them watch for 
highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in many 
different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say something, speak 
a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I only 
shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the beginning through 
these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on scripting while prior to its 
introduction everyone seemed to scream and run every time I mentioned user 
windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced options" is 
checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows
you are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of
Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files
I've created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User
Windows, Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as
Window Eyes 8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more
text than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a
matter of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and
not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major
problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because
either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or
Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown,
or read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition
of Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did
not load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But,
if there is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff
like this that never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this
that will force me to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I
did in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there
are times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't
work or read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the
general public and to existing Customers.

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0
to the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.

This is taking advantage of

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk

I thought only the teacher and adults talked like that in peanuts land? (smile)


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:13 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Guess i will try to investigate these.  Never understood what they were for and 
when people talk about them, I feel like one of the Peanuts kids.  Everything 
sounds like: "wha, wah wah, wah."  No matter how long a use computers, I'm 
still a dummy.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 00:52:21 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Pam,
> 
> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less 
> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because they 
> weren't called scripting.
> 
> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or floating 
> windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on several 
> different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make them speak 
> automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to specific colors, have 
> them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
> 
> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in many 
> different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say something, 
> speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on and on.
> 
> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I only 
> shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the beginning through 
> these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on scripting while prior to its 
> introduction everyone seemed to scream and run every time I mentioned user 
> windows.
> 
> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced options" 
> is checked under the Help menu.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> > Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows 
> > you are talking about?  pam.
> >
> > -----Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
> > To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> >
> > I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of 
> > Window eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files 
> > I've created for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User 
> > Windows, Window Eyes 9.x does not give me the same abilities as 
> > Window Eyes 8.X This for the way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
> >
> > This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> > Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> > I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more 
> > text than I want.
> >
> >
> > I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a 
> > matter of going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
> >
> > I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and 
> > not so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major 
> > problems using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
> >
> > I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
> >
> > When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because 
> > either the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or 
> > Windows 10 is not displaying the Drives.
> >
> >> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
> > If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, 
> > or read by Window Eyes 9.5.
> >
> > This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition 
> > of Windows 10.
> >
> > These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did 
> > not load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, 
> > if there is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff 
> > like this that never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this 
> > that will force me to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
> >
> > I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I 
> > did in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there 
> > are times I can use the Mouse, but too mu

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Dave via Talk

Tom, thinks for giving a much better definition of User Windows that I.   
Sometimes I just Space and figure everyone knows this stuff, which is
stupid, since Pam did ask the question, What are User Windows.  

Sheesh!  Sometimes I am concerned for myself.  Am I ready for the Home
yet? 

When Scripting was added to Window Eyes, I was under the impression that
Scripting was to fill in those gaps when nothing else in the Window Eyes
Tool Box, worked for making a program speak.  

It seems that at least in some cases, Scripting has taken the place of
those other Window Eyes tools.  

Cheers,

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk


Mike,

No musician is a dummy. We're all geniuses. (grin)
But like with music you have to want to do it. And as you know getting 
started is the hardest part. And no matter how long you've been at it 
you still need to keep your chops in shape.

I just listened to Run, Bede, Run and Uptown Fred. Very nice.

Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2016 8:12 AM, Mike Rogers wrote:

Guess i will try to investigate these.  Never understood what they were for and when 
people talk about them, I feel like one of the Peanuts kids.  Everything sounds like: 
"wha, wah wah, wah."  No matter how long a use computers, I'm still a dummy.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 00:52:21 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less scripting 
in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because they weren't 
called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or floating 
windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on several different 
things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make them speak automatically 
or make them silent. You can tie them to specific colors, have them watch for 
highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in many 
different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say something, speak 
a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I only 
shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the beginning through 
these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on scripting while prior to its 
introduction everyone seemed to scream and run every time I mentioned user 
windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced options" is 
checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.

This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.

If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Mike Rogers via Talk

Guess i will try to investigate these.  Never understood what they were for and 
when people talk about them, I feel like one of the Peanuts kids.  Everything 
sounds like: "wha, wah wah, wah."  No matter how long a use computers, I'm 
still a dummy.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 00:52:21 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Pam,
> 
> User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less 
> scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because they 
> weren't called scripting.
> 
> You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or floating 
> windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on several 
> different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make them speak 
> automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to specific colors, have 
> them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.
> 
> Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in many 
> different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say something, 
> speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on and on.
> 
> I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I only 
> shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the beginning through 
> these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on scripting while prior to its 
> introduction everyone seemed to scream and run every time I mentioned user 
> windows.
> 
> You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced options" 
> is checked under the Help menu.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> > Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
> > are talking about?  pam.
> >
> > -Original Message----- From: Dave via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
> > To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> >
> > I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
> > eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
> > for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
> > 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
> > way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
> >
> > This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> > Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> > I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
> > than I want.
> >
> >
> > I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
> > going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
> >
> > I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
> > so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
> > using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
> >
> > I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
> >
> > When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
> > the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
> > not displaying the Drives.
> >
> >> From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
> > If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
> > read by Window Eyes 9.5.
> >
> > This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
> > Windows 10.
> >
> > These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
> > load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
> > is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
> > never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
> > to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
> >
> > I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
> > in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
> > times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
> > read as well as it did in 8.X.
> >
> > I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
> > the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
> > quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
> > that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
> > public and to existing Custom

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-29 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

I for one have already been working on getting more familiar with NVDA, 
mostly because for the life of me I still cannot get my version of WE to 
read documents in Word 2010 despite trying the steps in the various related 
articles in the knowledge base and NVDA will read them. I do hope that WE 
will continue to be around but I'm preparing for the worst by trying to 
learn NVDA. I absolutely will not go back to using the Shark.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:52 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Pam,

User windows are a very powerful feature that are really more or less
scripting in another form. Unfortunately everyone ignored them because
they weren't called scripting.

You can create standard windows relative to screen coordinates or
floating windows that automatically adjust their coordinates based on
several different things. You can make them speak with a hot key or make
them speak automatically or make them silent. You can tie them to
specific colors, have them watch for highlighting, or not, and on and on.

Then there are hyperactive windows. These monitor the defined area in
many different ways and can react in many different ways, e.g. say
something, speak a window, execute a hot key, load a set file, and on
and on.

I remember how everyone was so excited when scripting was introduced. I
only shook my head thinking we had a lot of that power from the
beginning through these windows. It was amazing how some jumped on
scripting while prior to its introduction everyone seemed to scream and
run every time I mentioned user windows.

You won't even see them in the control panel unless "Show advanced
options" is checked under the Help menu.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/28/2016 8:51 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you
are talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.

This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.

If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
I have made my point.

Grumpy Dave






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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-28 Thread Peter Duran via Talk

I am getting this conclusion from common sense and experience with companies
that go away for one reason or another.

Ask yourself the obvious question:  Who is going to do the work since many
of the key personnel have left, and more are likely to leave.  A business
depends on its people, afterall. 

And, ask yourself: Why would F V O spend money, time, and resources
developing a product that is given away for free?  Does that make sense?

Peter Duran
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:15 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

How can you jump to the conclusion that window-eyes is dead, when nothing
has been announced yet. I wonder where you are getting this information
from? 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure the

updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were done.  I

find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily as sound, as

if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
> third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
> of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
> which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
> organisationally very different in character.
>
> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us

> some official goss.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing

> or faxing any new referrals.
>
>
http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/a
uckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On

> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
> of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
> uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>
>
> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
> are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
> something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this

> speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
> should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
> continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
> supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
> readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
> Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
> contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
> the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
> that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
> branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
> could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
> surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
>   -Original Message

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-28 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Okay, at the risk of sounding stupid:  what are these user windows you are 
talking about?  pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:10 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.

I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.

From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.

This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.

If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
I have made my point.

Grumpy Dave

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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-28 Thread via Talk

How can you jump to the conclusion that window-eyes is dead, when nothing has 
been announced yet. I wonder where you are getting this information from? 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure the 
updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were done.  I 
find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily as sound, as 
if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
> third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
> of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
> which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
> organisationally very different in character.
>
> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us 
> some official goss.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing 
> or faxing any new referrals.
>
> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
> of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
> uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>
>
> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
>
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
> are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
> something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this 
> speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
> should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
> continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
> supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
> readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
> Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
> contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
> the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
> that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
> branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
> could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
> surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.
>   -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>   Hi all,
>   When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business 
> dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or 
> wants to support a product that is given away for free.
>   I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as 
> an alternative screen reader for the future.
>   Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-28 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

There reason, even when they were GW Micro, was they wanted to make sure the 
updates were sound, instead of just releasing them before they were done.  I 
find they have updates more often, and they are not necessarily as sound, as 
if they felt they had to start competing with jaws.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:34 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and 
third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest 
of software world still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs 
which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are 
organisationally very different in character.


AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO. 
Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us 
some official goss.



Vaughan.


Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing 
or faxing any new referrals.


http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality 
of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and 
uncertainty when this topic is discussed.



From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!


Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they 
are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell 
something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this 
speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it 
should be, discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets 
continue to use the product for as long as it's being produced as well as 
supported and if or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen 
readers then perhaps we can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All 
Later! de


.


On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss 
the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me 
that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek 
branch here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they 
could sell both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be 
surprised if AI Squared ended up in the same channel.

  -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  Hi all,
  When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business 
dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or 
wants to support a product that is given away for free.
  I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as 
an alternative screen reader for the future.

  Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Jim via Talk

I totally agree! I guess it's like the old saying, if you say something 
long enough, people will believe it even if it's not true.  Just some 
food for thought.  Catch Ya Later! de


.


On 27-Nov-16 19:32, Loy via Talk wrote:

This subject line should not be used. No one knows for sure what is to happen 
with Window Eyes. It is not dead yet.
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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk

And Zoomtext Fusion has only been around for a year now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

No, we ain't dead yet but it on life support for sure. Along with zt
fusion, MAGic, optelec's braille displays and fs's terrible low vision
hardware. Not gonna be shocked when 2017 comes and all these things plugs
are pulled.



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:05 PM Tom Kingston via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> The user windows are still there. The hot keys are all undefined by
> default. And be sure to set any window hot keys to program scope. They
> all default to global.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/27/2016 6:10 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> > I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
> > eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
> > for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
> > 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
> > way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
> >
> > This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> > Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> > I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
> > than I want.
> >
> >
> > I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
> > going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
> >
> > I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
> > so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
> > using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
> >
> > I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
> >
> > When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
> > the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
> > not displaying the Drives.
> >
> >>From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one
time.
> > If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
> > read by Window Eyes 9.5.
> >
> > This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
> > Windows 10.
> >
> > These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
> > load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
> > is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
> > never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
> > to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
> >
> > I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
> > in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
> > times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
> > read as well as it did in 8.X.
> >
> > I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
> > the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
> > quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
> > that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
> > public and to existing Customers.
> >
> > I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
> > the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.
> >
> > This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
> > Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
> > us who buy upgrades.
> >
> > If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
> > I have made my point.
> >
> > Grumpy Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk

No, we ain't dead yet but it on life support for sure. Along with zt
fusion, MAGic, optelec's braille displays and fs's terrible low vision
hardware. Not gonna be shocked when 2017 comes and all these things plugs
are pulled.



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:05 PM Tom Kingston via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> The user windows are still there. The hot keys are all undefined by
> default. And be sure to set any window hot keys to program scope. They
> all default to global.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/27/2016 6:10 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> > I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
> > eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
> > for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
> > 9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
> > way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.
> >
> > This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
> > Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
> > I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
> > than I want.
> >
> >
> > I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
> > going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.
> >
> > I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
> > so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
> > using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.
> >
> > I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.
> >
> > When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
> > the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
> > not displaying the Drives.
> >
> >>From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.
> > If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
> > read by Window Eyes 9.5.
> >
> > This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
> > Windows 10.
> >
> > These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
> > load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
> > is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
> > never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
> > to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.
> >
> > I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
> > in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
> > times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
> > read as well as it did in 8.X.
> >
> > I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
> > the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
> > quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
> > that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
> > public and to existing Customers.
> >
> > I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
> > the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.
> >
> > This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
> > Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
> > us who buy upgrades.
> >
> > If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
> > I have made my point.
> >
> > Grumpy Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk


Dave,

The user windows are still there. The hot keys are all undefined by 
default. And be sure to set any window hot keys to program scope. They 
all default to global.


Hth,
Tom


On 11/27/2016 6:10 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.


From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time.

If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.

This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.

If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
I have made my point.

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Loy via Talk

This subject line should not be used. No one knows for sure what is to happen 
with Window Eyes. It is not dead yet.
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Dave via Talk

I Miss a big big feature  that is no longer in the version 9.X of Window
eyes.  I use those User Windows, in a couple of Set Files I've created
for a couple of programs I use.  Without those User Windows, Window Eyes
9.x does not give me the same abilities as Window Eyes 8.X This for the
way I use Window Eyes is going backwards.  

This next one is a personal preference, but the way version 9.X Copies
Text on the Internet is not to my liking.It is not Windows Standard.  
I find the New way to copy text a bit Funky, and I tend to get more text
than I want.


I dislike other minor issues in Version 9.X, and so it isn't a matter of
going backwards, but more of a consistency issue.  

I suspect the problem I occasionally have is a Script problem, and not
so much a Window Eyes problem.  From time to time, I have major problems
using Gold Wave 6 in Windows 10.  

I no longer have the ability to Read to End when reading Email in Becky.  

When in File Explorer, I cannot use the Send To feature because either
the Script is not reading what Drives I have available, or Windows 10 is
not displaying the Drives.  

>From time to time, the drives are read by Window Eyes, but only one time. 
If I want to send another file, then the Drives no longer are shown, or
read by Window Eyes 9.5.  

This last problem started after downloading the Anniversary Edition of
Windows 10.  

These last three issues are probably Script issues.  Either they did not
load correctly, or once loaded, failed to work properly.  But, if there
is no more development on Window Eyes, it is small stuff like this that
never will be fixed. And it is little stuff like this that will force me
to buy JAWS or some other Screen Reader.  

I find the operation of the Mouse to be very different in 9.X than I did
in 8.X.  this too has more to do with consistency, because there are
times I can use the Mouse, but too much of the time, it doesn't work or
read as well as it did in 8.X.

I also had a Big disappointment, and a Complaint about the Bugginess of
the 9.0, 9.1,9.2, 9.3 etc.In my opinion, none of these editions were
quite ready for paying customers.   Not until 9.4 and 9.5 did I feel
that Window Eyes 9 had gotten reliable enough to be sold to the general
public and to existing Customers.  

I could very well be wrong, but I thought the  decision to ship 9.0 to
the Market was a  choice made by the drastic need for Money.  

This is taking advantage of your Customers, and while a lot of Software
Companies do this, it doesn't make it Right, or enjoyable for those of
us who buy upgrades.  

If I took more time, I could probably come up with a few more items, but
I have made my point.  

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread David via Talk

Just a short reminder, when you talk about update releases.


I really had to check my archives here, but sure enough. Since the merge 
was announced, back in the spring or early summer, we have had TWO 
updates to Window-Eyes released. The first one, was in july, the latest 
in september. How much more often could we possible want? Smile.


Not saying this to argue anything, but even for GW, this release rate 
eats the cake. Whatever caused them to release that shortly one after 
the other, I do not know, neither do I want to speculate. Just thought 
to keep you reminded.




On 11/27/2016 10:34 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with 
> each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I 
> realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot 
> of other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell 
> Window-Eyes is still very functional.  Can you give me a specific 
> example of where it is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch 
> Ya Later! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>> But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a 
>> screen reader is useless without interaction with an operating system 
>> and third party software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, 
>> the rest of software world still marches on.  And: there are long 
>> standing bugs which now fall into legacy problems.  And: VFO and the 
>> old GW Micro are organisationally very different in character.
>>
>> AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.  
>> Because AI Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to 
>> Window-Eyes, and had produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to 
>> give us some official goss.
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>
>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the 
>> functionality of Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is 
>> create fear, and uncertainty when this topic is discussed.
>>
>>
>> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>>
>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>
>> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time 
>> they are still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would 
>> sell something if the product was no longer going to be supported.  
>> All of this speculation is doing nothing but taking the discussion 
>> away from where it should be, discussing the actual functionality of 
>> W.E.  So I say lets continue to use the product for as long as it's 
>> being produced as well as supported and if or when we have to cross a 
>> bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this 
>> discussion then..? Catch Ya All Later! de
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I 
>> have contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes 
>> to discuss the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, 
>> and he told me that he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada 
>> does have an optolek branch here, come and visit him, and the head 
>> told our dealer that they could sell both Optolek and Freedom 
>> products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up in 
>> the same channel.
>>   -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>   Hi all,
>>   When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the 
>> business dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o 
>> needs to or wants to support a product that is given away for free.
>>   I reco

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Jim via Talk

Vaughan, I have been using Window-Eyes for years now and I find with 
each subsequent release the functionality improves considerably.  I 
realize that they do not come out with updates as frequently as a lot of 
other software manufacturers do, but as far as I can tell Window-Eyes is 
still very functional.  Can you give me a specific example of where it 
is losing its functionality? Just curious.  Catch Ya Later! de


.


On 27-Nov-16 14:51, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a screen 
reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and third party 
software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest of software world 
still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs which now fall into legacy 
problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are organisationally very different in 
character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.  Because AI 
Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to Window-Eyes, and had 
produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us some official goss.


Vaughan.

  


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality of 
Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and uncertainty 
when this topic is discussed.

  


From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

  


Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they are 
still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell something if the 
product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this speculation is doing 
nothing but taking the discussion away from where it should be, discussing the 
actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets continue to use the product for as 
long as it's being produced as well as supported and if or when we have to 
cross a bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this 
discussion then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de

.

  


On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss the 
situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me that he had 
the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek branch here, come 
and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they could sell both Optolek 
and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up 
in the same channel.
  
-Original Message-

From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
  
Hi all,
  
When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business dies a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or wants to support a product that is given away for free.
  
I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an alternative screen reader for the future.
  
Peter Duran

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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-27 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

But: Window-eyes is gradually becoming less functional.  Clearly - a screen 
reader is useless without interaction with an operating system and third party 
software - but if development of window-eyes ceases, the rest of software world 
still marches on.  And: there are long standing bugs which now fall into legacy 
problems.  And: VFO and the old GW Micro are organisationally very different in 
character.

AiSquared' CEO is (or was) head of software development within VFO.  Because AI 
Squared was starting to bring some momentum back to Window-Eyes, and had 
produced Fusion, I think he is well placed to give us some official goss.


Vaughan.

 

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 3:49 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality of 
Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and uncertainty 
when this topic is discussed.

 

From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

 

Hi there FOLKS!

I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they are 
still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell something if the 
product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this speculation is doing 
nothing but taking the discussion away from where it should be, discussing the 
actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets continue to use the product for as 
long as it's being produced as well as supported and if or when we have to 
cross a bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we can pick up this 
discussion then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de

.  

 

On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have 
contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss the 
situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me that he had 
the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek branch here, come 
and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they could sell both Optolek 
and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI Squared ended up 
in the same channel.
 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
 
Hi all,
 
When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business dies a 
quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or wants to 
support a product that is given away for free.
 
I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an 
alternative screen reader for the future.
 
Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

2016-11-26 Thread via Talk

I also agree all of this talk about windoweyes being dead is only creating feer 
with in others

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim.  I totally agree with you.  Let's just focus on the functionality of
> Window-Eyes.  You are right that all it does is create fear, and uncertainty
> when this topic is discussed.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim [mailto:wohlg...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 6:45 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> 
> 
> Hi there FOLKS!
> 
> I recently enquired about purchasing an SMA for W.E.  At this time they are
> still selling them.  I don't believe they could or would sell something if
> the product was no longer going to be supported.  All of this speculation is
> doing nothing but taking the discussion away from where it should be,
> discussing the actual functionality of W.E.  So I say lets continue to use
> the product for as long as it's being produced as well as supported and if
> or when we have to cross a bridge of changing screen readers then perhaps we
> can pick up this discussion then..?  Catch Ya All Later! de
> 
> .  
> 
> 
> 
> On 26-Nov-16 21:20, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter.  Speaking of what you said about Window-Eyes being dead, I have
> contacted our local dealer who sells both JAWS and Window-Eyes to discuss
> the situation of what was happening and he was shocked, and he told me that
> he had the head from optolek Canada, as Canada does have an optolek branch
> here, come and visit him, and the head told our dealer that they could sell
> both Optolek and Freedom products and that he wouldn't be surprised if AI
> Squared ended up in the same channel.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> When the founders and main staff of an organization leave, the business dies
> a quick death.  There is absolutely no reason why f v o needs to or wants to
> support a product that is given away for free.
> 
> I recommend all of us check out the Narrator on Windows 10 and NVDA as an
> alternative screen reader for the future.
> 
> Peter Duran
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