Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 

I agree; that was a fascinating BBC program.
In 1987 or 1988, a special issue of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of 
America had the article about the history of speech synthesis, written by 
Dennis Klatt. This magazine, as was sometimes done back then, contained an 
Eva-Tone flexible disc bound inside. It contained the recording, made by Dr. 
Klatt, and was distributed to all of the subscribers of the magazine. Of 
course, this was at 33 rpm, and not the 8 rpm that NLS was using at that 
time. But it would have been pressed on the same equipment that NLS used, in 
Clearwater, Florida. Anyway, that recording with its 30-some selections, has 
been digitized by several individuals. An old version of this, archived at 
the University of California, Berkeley, is still available at
http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/eecs225d/klatt.html . I have not looked around 
for copies of this recording that would be more convenient to use in our 
modern browsers and media players; it's probably out there somewhere on the 
internet.
The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History had a 
small collection on speech synthesis. Some of its printed documents were 
online a few years ago, but I haven't found them since a reorganization of 
their website. Someone had interviewed a lot of other people, including Mr. 
Gagnon, who invented the Votrax series of synthesizers, originally from 
Federal Screw Works in Michigan.
There is fascinating history behind the products we take for granted, but it 
is only of interest to some segments of the population.





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From: David Goldfield via Talk

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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:

Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are 
not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.


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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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RE: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi David,

Thanks very much for this wonderful documentary link.

All the best,

Rod

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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's 
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
> to speak?
>
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> On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>>
>>
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>>
>> As do I.
>> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
>> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
>> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk 
I just found this fascinating documentary on Youtube. It's called Klat's 
Last Tapes: a History of Speech Synthesis. It's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097K1uMIPyQ

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On 10/21/2016 9:24 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so
> to speak?
>
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> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
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> On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>>
>> As do I.
>> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
>> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
>> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk 
Ah, you answered a question I just asked. So, Fred is a Klat variant, so 
to speak?

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On 10/19/2016 8:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
>>
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk 
Oh, as an aside are there any recordings of Dennis Klat? Is he still around?

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
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> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
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>>
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-21 Thread David Goldfield via Talk 
Steve,

Thank you for this fascinating bit of info. Is the Fred voice from Apple 
derived from Klat-talk, as it sure does sound remarkably like one of the 
Dec-talk voices. I guess I now know why the primary voice was called Dennis.

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On 10/19/2016 9:07 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:
> To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
> available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
> his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
> Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
> the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
> similar, yet different.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: speech synthesizers
>
> You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
> To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
> As do I.
> There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
> and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>>
>> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Linette Sukup via Talk 



The Kate and Paul voices in Kurzweil 1000 are pretty good. In previous 
versions, the Neospeech voices were good, also, but they conflicted with 
a screen reader voice and caused one's system to lock up.


Peace.
Linette



On 10/19/2016 8:55 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

It seems to me that the more human sounding they try to make the
synthesized voice, the more computer like they end up sounding. I have,
thank God,  known, or have heard,  only a few people that would fit the
description, but I have heard a few people, and I'm sure most of you
have at one time or another,  that sound more like synthesizers than
people. I must say that I feel quite sorry for people who just can't
help speaking that way.

Of course, I, like the rest of you I'm sure want the robotic sound of a
synthesizer to sound as pleasantly robotic as possible, but again, the
more human sounding they succeed in making the voice, the quality of the
delivery becomes just irritatingly stilted, halting, or whatever
appropriate adjective might be applicable.

Case in point, have you listened to NOAA Weather Radio lately?

As for me, I think I'll just stick with my trusty Eloquence for as long
as I can.

On 10/19/2016 7:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are
not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as
the venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Kim Lingo via Talk 
I think the Expressive voices from Vocalizer are just fine.  I realize that 
there are probably ones out there that sound more human (or is hu-person 
these days, Grin?)  I used Alex on my I-phone and think that sounds pretty 
good.  I've since downloaded a newer one that I guess came out with IOS-10 
called Tom.  I didn't mind the DecTalk voices, but I always thought they 
sounded like some Scandinavian guy after a couple of glasses of Aquavit.

Kim Lingo

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From: "Larry Higgins via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers


It seems to me that the more human sounding they try to make the 
synthesized voice, the more computer like they end up sounding. I have, 
thank God,  known, or have heard,  only a few people that would fit the 
description, but I have heard a few people, and I'm sure most of you have 
at one time or another,  that sound more like synthesizers than people. I 
must say that I feel quite sorry for people who just can't help speaking 
that way.


Of course, I, like the rest of you I'm sure want the robotic sound of a 
synthesizer to sound as pleasantly robotic as possible, but again, the 
more human sounding they succeed in making the voice, the quality of the 
delivery becomes just irritatingly stilted, halting, or whatever 
appropriate adjective might be applicable.


Case in point, have you listened to NOAA Weather Radio lately?

As for me, I think I'll just stick with my trusty Eloquence for as long as 
I can.


On 10/19/2016 7:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are 
not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the 
venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.


On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
did't noaa switch from using vocalizer tom to neospeech Paul recently?  I
hate eloquence, Dectalk, espeak insert other robot voices of years past. I
like the human sounding tts voices. Neospeech Kate being my favorite of all
time.





On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I started using Window Eyes with version 4, using Eloquence. I have tried
> many of the so called human sounding voices and none suit me.  I still use
> Eloquence, it sounds the best to me. I can't stand the DecTalk or Espeak.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>   To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
>   Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>
>
>   It seems to me that the more human sounding they try to make the
>   synthesized voice, the more computer like they end up sounding. I have,
>   thank God,  known, or have heard,  only a few people that would fit the
>   description, but I have heard a few people, and I'm sure most of you
>   have at one time or another,  that sound more like synthesizers than
>   people. I must say that I feel quite sorry for people who just can't
>   help speaking that way.
>
>   Of course, I, like the rest of you I'm sure want the robotic sound of a
>   synthesizer to sound as pleasantly robotic as possible, but again, the
>   more human sounding they succeed in making the voice, the quality of the
>   delivery becomes just irritatingly stilted, halting, or whatever
>   appropriate adjective might be applicable.
>
>   Case in point, have you listened to NOAA Weather Radio lately?
>
>   As for me, I think I'll just stick with my trusty Eloquence for as long
>   as I can.
>
>   On 10/19/2016 7:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>   > You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
>   >
>   >
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski <javascript:;>=
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Barry via Talk
>   > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
>   > To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
>   > Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
>   >
>   > As do I.
>   > There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are
> not, and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the
> venerable DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
>   >
>   > On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>   >
>   >> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
>   >> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>   >>
>   >> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Loy via Talk 
I started using Window Eyes with version 4, using Eloquence. I have tried many 
of the so called human sounding voices and none suit me.  I still use 
Eloquence, it sounds the best to me. I can't stand the DecTalk or Espeak. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Higgins via Talk 
  To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:55 AM
  Subject: Re: speech synthesizers


  It seems to me that the more human sounding they try to make the 
  synthesized voice, the more computer like they end up sounding. I have, 
  thank God,  known, or have heard,  only a few people that would fit the 
  description, but I have heard a few people, and I'm sure most of you 
  have at one time or another,  that sound more like synthesizers than 
  people. I must say that I feel quite sorry for people who just can't 
  help speaking that way.

  Of course, I, like the rest of you I'm sure want the robotic sound of a 
  synthesizer to sound as pleasantly robotic as possible, but again, the 
  more human sounding they succeed in making the voice, the quality of the 
  delivery becomes just irritatingly stilted, halting, or whatever 
  appropriate adjective might be applicable.

  Case in point, have you listened to NOAA Weather Radio lately?

  As for me, I think I'll just stick with my trusty Eloquence for as long 
  as I can.

  On 10/19/2016 7:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
  > You can, sort of, its name is Fred.
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Barry via Talk
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
  > To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > Subject: Re: speech synthesizers
  >
  > As do I.
  > There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, 
and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the venerable 
DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.
  >
  > On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  >
  >> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
  >> more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
  >>
  >> Alison
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
I am still using the dec-talk express on my tower.  I didn't notice, but 
there is a difference between that and the dec-talk 32.  It has been said 
that when they were going to make the software, they lost the original 
dec-talk specs, and had to recreate them, so it's not as good.  I have tried 
some of the ones they say come from human speech, but when you start to use 
them, the sound bytes have trouble fitting together properly, so it begins 
to sound garbled.  Also, another thing is, it is very sluggish when you try 
to use some of them.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Barry via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:14 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not,
and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the
venerable DecTalk
I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much more
human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk 
It seems to me that the more human sounding they try to make the 
synthesized voice, the more computer like they end up sounding. I have, 
thank God,  known, or have heard,  only a few people that would fit the 
description, but I have heard a few people, and I'm sure most of you 
have at one time or another,  that sound more like synthesizers than 
people. I must say that I feel quite sorry for people who just can't 
help speaking that way.


Of course, I, like the rest of you I'm sure want the robotic sound of a 
synthesizer to sound as pleasantly robotic as possible, but again, the 
more human sounding they succeed in making the voice, the quality of the 
delivery becomes just irritatingly stilted, halting, or whatever 
appropriate adjective might be applicable.


Case in point, have you listened to NOAA Weather Radio lately?

As for me, I think I'll just stick with my trusty Eloquence for as long 
as I can.


On 10/19/2016 7:57 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:15 AM
To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, and 
in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the venerable 
DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much
more human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.

Alison

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Yes.  Those voices are part of dec-talk.  They just don't have the names 
they used to.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:15 PM
To: Linette Sukup ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers

If you run  the DecTalk Access 32 synthesizer and play around with the tone
option, you'll find similar voices.

-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:04 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech synthesizers



The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




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wrote:


Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with 
a

TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de

.

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RE: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Steve Clower via Talk 
To add to this, Dennis Klatt invented the Klat-Talk algorithm (which is 
available in the public domain) in the 1980's based on modeling waveforms of 
his own voice through a computer. DECTalk is derived from Klat-Talk, as is 
Macintalk on the Apple platform, though the two projects quickly branched off 
the original Klat-Talk code. This is why DECTalk and Macintalk sound so 
similar, yet different.

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You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, and 
in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the venerable 
DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much 
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RE: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk 
You can, sort of, its name is Fred.


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As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not, and 
in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the venerable 
DecTalk I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread Kevin Barry via Talk 
As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not,
and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the
venerable DecTalk
I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

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RE: speech synthesizers

2016-10-19 Thread CJ MAY via Talk 
I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much more
human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32. 

Alison

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-18 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
I know dectalk and what it sounds like. What i remember sounded nothing
like dectalk.  These sounded more real than robotic.




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> If you run  the DecTalk Access 32 synthesizer and play around with the
> tone option, you'll find similar voices.
>
> -Original Message- From: Linette Sukup via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:04 PM
> To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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>
> The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.
>
> Peace.
> Linette
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>
> On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>
>> Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
>> '90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
>> wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
>> remember them from elementary school at that time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Jim via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there folks!
>>>
>>> My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
>>> I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
>>> replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss
>>> with a
>>> TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
>>> helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de
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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-18 Thread Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
If you run  the DecTalk Access 32 synthesizer and play around with the tone 
option, you'll find similar voices.


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The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




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wrote:


Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with 
a

TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-18 Thread Linette Sukup via Talk 



The Kurzweil reading machine has a child's voice called Kit the Kid.

Peace.
Linette



On 10/18/2016 4:02 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




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Hi there folks!

My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with a
TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
helping me to learn DOS which helped out a great deal! Catch Ya Later de

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Re: speech synthesizers

2016-10-18 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
Ok, this is semi random but anyone remember a synth from the mid to late
'90s that had like child voices?  They were somewhat real sounding. No, it
wasn't vocalizer or dectalk or eloquence. I haven't heard them since but
remember them from elementary school at that time.




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> Hi there folks!
>
> My first relatively high end synthesizer was the Accent Sa External unit.
> I loved it-accept for the volume control which either needed cleaned or
> replaced.  I used it in colledge as well as on many other computerss with a
> TinyTalk boot disk which I personally made.  Well, I had a lot of friends
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