use it at the top of the page.
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need about 20/25 icons for different map features. Generators
sources/method and type icons are pretty well furnished but they can be
unformalized too.
Let's discuss how will it look like, many thanks in advance.
Cheers.
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operate pipelines. It would be great that OSM can provide compatible
data.
But it seems to be a bit complex to deal with PODS and I'm not so familiar
with it.
Is someone knowledgeable about it and would like to help us ?
Thanks.
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to substation, it's a great
occasion to check this out too.
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Thank you guys for answers.
I'll move all French power=portal to power=tower + design=portal as
Polderrunner suggested.
May everyone be encouraged to do so everywhere.
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2014-02-07 0:06
infrastructure to appear on the map.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
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to use building but it's definetly not a street cabinet.
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2014-02-09 21:22 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.com
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Street
,-1.640277,3a,19y,262.9h,69.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7fn6hRmeXM84TL5rvHcjbg!2e0
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2014-02-09 23:08 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
On Sun, 2014-02-09 at 11:42 -0700, Murry McEntire wrote
.
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2014-02-10 9:34 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
François Lacombe wrote:
For electricity, we do have power=cable_distribution_cabinet but IMHO
it's
definitely to specific
+
monitoring:traffic=yes (we don't know if the box is only monitoring or
doing control command too).
Proposal examples have to show the difference but I miss evocative pictures
to illustrate it properly.
I'll update the document later, I hope my point is clear here.
Cheers.
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can't use any of the server-side OSM toolchain
component.
Don't hesitate to let me know how do you feel regarding these
interoperability questions.
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that Tilemill allow users to specify a bounding box
associated to a geoJSON service request when adding a datastore, wouldn't
it ?
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2014-03-25 13:12 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
be
converted into geographic ones.
Is there a solution to that issue ?
Measuring geographic north directly isn't so simple I think.
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I think the two GPS points method remains the best way to achieve azimuth
measurements, indeed.
Thank you gentlemen.
Any more advice ?
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2014-04-08 12:24 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann chris_horm
get
accepted.
Almost all mapped power=* features can be seen worldwide on this map, even
if it's not always the case (and doesn't have to be) on the main slippy map.
I want to thank them for time and resources investment. Everyone
contribution get a lot of value through it.
Cheers,
*François
+1. Really great job, thank you guys :)
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2014-07-23 11:38 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com:
It's great to see the default map layer finally moving forward!
Janko
.
This extension can really help us to maintain constant quality in this
localized content, especially tag pages.
I don't know if another better software extension exists for MediaWiki,
this one bring really good features.
Cheers.
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be a strong adding to the OSM wiki, don't you ?
Cheers.
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2014-07-24 21:11 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
extension moved from requiring mediawiki 1.23 to requiring mediawiki 1.24
which is still
split the whole project.
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I don't see any objection to do as Rainer suggested.
Maybe someone can give us examples of conflict with any other data ?
All the best
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2015-01-03 17:50 GMT+01:00
, when substance=* and type=* will be on every feature, who will be
able to make the distinguish between them both ?
All the best
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on consistency, versatility of
tags, doing things (like tag migration) once.
That's why OSM need a serious workflow refinement regarding tagging
reference. This new one should include mechanical edits and communication
about them toward data consumers.
*François Lacombe*
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by software provided that a reference would be completed and
maintained.
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2015-01-06 12:56 GMT+01:00 Mike N nice...@att.net:
On 1/6/2015 6:47 AM, Chris Hill wrote
to read.
Many osmose tests may be aromatically setup just by reading the feature
restriction or the mandatory tags on a value description.
The same from presets, renders, ...
Cheers
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are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.
It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the
largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.
I'll add some in my spare time.
All the best
*François Lacombe*
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the tagging schema.
And say Bonjour to the OSM Lyon contributors meeting at the charming Chez
Thibault café.
regard
Pierre
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of contributors to leave the boat.
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2015-05-18 12:19 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com:
On 18/05/2015, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote:
I
Hi paul,
Can you detail a little more how this could be a real powerhouse please ?
Is this just a use case for map renders or something with more OSM services
interaction ?
All the best
François
2015-05-28 11:21 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/
the issue without adding 3rd
dimension to OSM model?
Cheers
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on several frequencies (based upon it's model number
and manufacturer capabilities), the usage of those frequencies can depend
on the radio stations relations the antenna is member of.
Lots to think about.
Indeed, can't wait to go forward about this topic
Regards
François
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At a first glance, I would to suggest to invite the ones who are
complaining at the quality of maps to improve it, aren't they ?
Especially when they are riding bike on path not so many people walk on.
For imagery issues, it's more MapBox business than OSM but I
Hi,
A big thank you to the sysadmin team for enabling this on the OSM wiki :)
It's a really useful tool and it will surely help people to improve
the page content.
Happy new year everyone :)
François
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Hi all,
Just to inform you that the location transitions proposal is still
under voting until next Saturday.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Location_transitions
Several people have already express their feeling about it, what about you ?
A few more feedbacks are needed to
l the best
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Hi Oleksiy,
It'e surely useful to link OSM objects and wikimedia content.
As you mentionned, OSM objects can easilly be linked to wikidata with a
simple scalar value.
Since wikimedia video can also refer to wikidata object, a link between OSM
and video sounds redundent.
Such a link shouldn't be
Hi Martin,
Thank you, great job :)
*François*
2017-01-28 17:25 GMT+01:00 Maarten Deen :
> What would be really wonderful is a yearly layer so you can see the
> history changing. Just like http://topotijdreis.nl/
>
> Maarten
>
> On 2017-01-28 16:08, joost schouppe wrote:
>
>>
Hi Tim,
This is really impressive, can't wait to test this special instance of iD :)
The road you went along since early 2015 brings a lot of positive things
Telecom tags consistency needs to be tidier, especially for towers, masts,
poles or whatever.
Your tools may help a lot to do so and find
Hi Matthijs,
+1 to keep Map Feature pages up to date.
It would be great to sync definitions with info boxes (with some template
tricks but it more looks like wiki-data than simple wikimedia templates)
TagInfo already got it from wiki
All the best
Francois
Le 1 sept. 2016 12:45 AM, "Matthijs
Hi Jochen
2016-09-21 10:08 GMT+02:00 Jochen Topf :
> No, count isn't a criteria at all. man_made=mill is simply not included
> automatically, because there is no wiki page for it.
>
Understood, thanks for clarification
>
> I recommend giving an explicit list of all tags
Hi Matthijs,
I find this stuff interesting for power features and thinking to move the
current template to this new system.
You deal with pages like Template:Map_Features/XXX but power template is
currently known as Template:Map_Features:power
Have we to rename the template to
Understood Dalibor,
Obviously, no offense intended while replacing the whole template like I
did few days ago.
The problem isn't the taglist itself but the lack of translation of keys'
pages on wiki, I agree with that too.
Nevertheless I think it's a bad idea to wait for all translations of all
Hi Matthijs,
2016-09-23 14:27 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen :
> Yes, for the moment it is necessary to create a new page under a
> different name. If you move over the current template to TagList,
> non-English language wiki pages will break.
>
For me It worked like a
2016-10-01 16:23 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman :
>
> OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by being the
> default layer, so the wiki should reflect that.
>
OSM Carto doesn't render all features the wiki describes
Will we left a blank space when there is no osm carto
, no splash screen and no GUI.
Is anyone facing the same problem or is this a local Java update issue ?
Ticket #14044 opened
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/14044
Cheers to the team which deliver extremly good and useful work
All the best
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Thanks Simon,
Indeed, duplicate
Sorry for noise
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2016-11-25 10:36 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch>:
> See https://josm.openstre
Hi,
I'm seeking information about the TagKey/exists template which is currently
rolled out on several wiki pages.
We use to use the Tag template which adapts the link color whether the
corresponding page exists or not.
Why have we to add the "exists" key word? I find this redundant although an
Hi
2017-08-14 11:18 GMT+02:00 mmd :
> Hi,
>
> Am 13.08.2017 um 19:49 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
>
> > * all ways now store "osmm:loc" with centroid coordinates, making it
> > possible to crudely filter ways by location
>
> out of curiosity, can you say a few words on how your
Hi Mike
I don't think so since the combo box has a unique key name set in its
definition
What you can do though is to set the first key with a fixed value
(religion=chrisitian) and let user pick for denomination
Let us know how is it going
François
Le 29 août 2017 5:44 PM, "Mike Thompson"
to find a proper datasource anyway
François
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2017-11-25 16:52 GMT+01:00 Daniel Koć <daniel@koć.pl>:
> OSM Tag History is a great service which sh
Hi
Here is an idea I got regarding tagging validation in editors (iD, JOSM,
others).
Subsequently to wiki proposal voting and cleanups, it's currently
necessarily to open issues in each editor repository to ask for new tagging
validation rules.
It can sometimes be time consuming to develop those
gt; Simon
>
>
>
> On 24.12.2017 12:54, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> > conform validation to wiki
>
> Sometimes wiki is wrong and should be changed.
>
> Note also that authors of different tools have different opinions how and
> what should be reported as errors.
>
Hi Bryan
Le 24 déc. 2017 4:45 PM, "Bryan Housel" a écrit :
Have you looked at https://github.com/osmlab/osmlint ?
Of all the current validation efforts, that seems like the most promising.
I didn't know OSMLint and OSM QA tiles before
Very promising indeed for parallel
2018-02-23 6:53 GMT+01:00 Maarten Deen :
> On 2018-02-22 22:59, Rory McCann wrote:
>
> If you asked someone "Where does this river end?" they'd probably point
>> to where it joins the lake. Connecting the river to the "central river"
>> breaks this. And it can result in odd long
(Sorry Rory, resent this to Talk ML)
2018-02-23 11:35 GMT+01:00 Rory McCann :
> On 23/02/18 06:53, Maarten Deen wrote:
>
>> I see nothing wrong with those examples, I would do it the same,
>> especially if the rivers can be sailed on by boat. Then you absolutely need
>>
2018-02-23 15:36 GMT+01:00 Rory McCann :
> If OSM takes a "all rivers must be connected through lakes", then data
> consumers have a simple job. If OSM says "some will and some won't", then
> data consumers have to process the data to add intra-lake connections. If
> they
Hi all,
Osmose-QA also display such bad connection between power lines and non
power features
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/16446522057 (item 7040 class 4)
We also have this issue related to unterminated lines like this occurence
(7040 class 2) :
2018-03-19 0:38 GMT+01:00 Michael Kugelmann :
> Am 18.03.2018 um 20:45 schrieb Richard:
>
>> fundamental decission - maybe osm and osm-wiki accounts should be the
>> same?
>>
> This had been independent in the very old history. And now you have
> conflicts => will not work
in Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
>
>> 2018-03-23 17:01 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> One additional issue is the "additional attributes for waterways" in the
>>> feature table here : h
Hi,
I'm currently thinking about wiki improvement about waterways.
It would be great to move (with caution) the content of the Waterways page
to Key:waterway
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Waterways
This would prevent redundancy and ease
dea to put attributes in the feature table since they can
be related to other tags as well.
Can they get removed from this list ?
François
2018-03-23 16:20 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> 2018-03-23 15:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <fl.info
Hi
2018-02-27 13:10 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> I would facilitate things if navigable waterways are connected.
> Small streams should maybe only connect to the water body (lake).
>
> In theory you could do waterway routing similar to how pedestrian routing
> is
Hi all,
Recently some power grid operators join their efforts to build up strong
open source software designed for energy grid building and operating.
It's mainly intended for professionals, engineers, researchers...
The next LinuxFoundation Energy Summit will be held by next 24 October.
Le dim. 7 oct. 2018 à 08:27, Mateusz Konieczny a
écrit :
> I wonder whatever they know that this way their datasets become ODBL (or
> copyright violations).
>
Good point but not so simple
OSM data isn't pushed in legacy and main datasets yet. It's only ponctual
cleanups on temporary chunks.
HI all,
It's been a few days that my browser bear a heavy load when running many
queries like https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yUw, with overpass turbo.
Was any change done on the frontend to get such a load on client side?
Tested on firefox 62 64bits
All the best
François
, Dave F a
écrit :
> It appears it maybe Leaflet &/or Firefox related. Reports are it doesn't
> occur in Chrome/IE.
>
> If your turn off Firefox auto updates & install an older version (I used
> v60.0 from FileHippo) it prevents it.
>
> Cheers
> DaveF
>
> On 23
Le sam. 15 déc. 2018 à 14:04, Colin Smale a écrit :
> First time I have heard that as a (documented) rationale behind "ground
> truth".
>
> Surely the stronger requirement is public verifiability, from a freely
> accessible, objectively reliable source. What is physically present in situ
> is a
Hi
Big use cases for utilities, network operators and urban planning
English: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/InfosReseaux/diary/47030
French:
https://www.openstreetmap.fr/cartographier-mondialement-linfrastructure-avec-openstreetmap/
Furthermore, OSM is the only one to build and share a
Hi all
As the CES ends by the end of today, I'd find great to list any interesting
insight or uses some of you may have seen during this week there.
I wasn't in Las Vegas and I didn't notice many reuse of renders nor data.
What about you?
François
Hi Steve,
Le jeu. 21 mars 2019 à 16:46, Steve Doerr a
écrit :
> On 21/03/2019 05:21, Roland Olbricht wrote:
> > the Overpass API shows only an informative
> > result today. This will last until about 20:00 UTC.
>
> Could this be affecting nrenner.github.io/achavi, does anybody know?
>
Yes it
Hi all,
Google is currently rolling out several submarine telecommunication cable
systems and Amercian FCC actually publishes application documents
describing them.
Such one regards the Dunant system between Virginia Beach and
Saint-Hilaire-de-Riez in France
Hi all
Well, these are great inputs so thank you
I agree that the document were committed by Google to FCC.
Le dim. 14 avr. 2019 à 10:51, Kathleen Lu via talk
a écrit :
>
> For Berne counties, I think it technically depends on where the
> "infringement" takes place, whatever that would mean
Le lun. 10 juin 2019 à 18:54, Yuri Astrakhan a
écrit :
> Thank you François! The bot is very cautious - it will not touch anything
> that users have edited
>
That's ok for this Yuri, thanks
Le lun. 10 juin 2019 à 19:03, mmd a écrit :
> This idea was recently discussed on Slack US #id
Hi Yuri
First of all, Data Items are great add to OSM wiki and as said this already
brought real benefits.
Count on my support to go further with them.
Le lun. 10 juin 2019 à 18:38, Yuri Astrakhan a
écrit :
> (please fix them in the wiki pages in the corresponding languages, the bot
> will
Hi all
Please find here a proposal to split the page WikiProject_Power_networks
(and local ones too) in two on wiki
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Power_networks#Split_networks_and_power_generation
Activities could be easily split since you can map power generation
Hi all,
Noticed this content today, I don't think this has already been posted
here. If not, sorry for noise.
People of JRC (Joint Research Center) from European Commission released a
research paper about conflating the two approaches of INSPIRE (European
public data) and OSM.
Hi all,
It's been a while we use to complete templates KeyDescription and
ValueDescription on wikipages which are then crawled by a bot completing
DataItems
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_items
According to topics like : https://github.com/taginfo/taginfo/issues/263
and last SOTM
Hi Yuri,
Le ven. 22 nov. 2019 à 18:31, Yuri Astrakhan a
écrit :
> I would love to fully transition to data items, as it would make
> translation and cross-language tag consistency far easier.
>
So am I!
> We now have a data item editor you can enable by going to preferences /
> gadgets, and
François
Le dim. 1 sept. 2019 à 15:12, François Lacombe
a écrit :
> Hi all
>
> Please find here a proposal to split the page WikiProject_Power_networks
> (and local ones too) in two on wiki
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Power_networks#Split_networks_an
you are following the import guidelines?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
>
> - Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On 12/21/19, François Lacombe wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I'd
Hi all
I'd like to let you know about a recent and good opendata improvement in
France regarding power networks we use to map in OSM.
Two biggest distribution grid operators in metropolitan France, Enedis and
Geredis, had released under Open License both overhead and underground
network maps
You
Hi Daniel,
Thank you for your message, very encouraging to provide high quality of
documentation
Even if it consumes high amount of time sometimes
Translations are important also, great to see people involved in this :)
All the best
François
Le sam. 8 févr. 2020 à 22:22, Daniel Capilla a
Hi Frederik
Le ven. 17 janv. 2020 à 16:05, Frederik Ramm a écrit :
> Over the years, a couple of people have time and time again suggested
> that we get down and make a nice, curated, text-based catalogue of tags
> maintained by a team, potentially on a git-like system where pull
> requests can
To me, manhole applies in the two situations.
We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and
the facility underground.
Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really
different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without
removing
www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole
> ( a man goes into the hole) [manhole]
>
>
>
> Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe <
> fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>:
> To me, manhole applies in the two situations.
> We should make a distinction between the &q
Hi all,
This link to look back at 10 years of mapping of French power transmission
network
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/InfosReseaux/diary/392777
OSM demonstrates a large potential to improve official opendata and bring
valuable data back to operators.
Official opendata brings real
Hi
To me there are two separate concepts :
* The enclosure : the underground chamber hosting several equipment
including cable splices
* The manhole : The way technicians get into the enclosure.
For smaller ones, the manhole has the same dimension than enclosure but
there are bigger ones where
. 2020 à 00:40, Christine Karch a
écrit :
> Chapeau and thank you for that interesting work and the documentation!
>
> Am 20.04.20 um 00:25 schrieb François Lacombe:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This link to look back at 10 years of mapping of French power
> &g
Hi Jean-Marc,
Long time no see!
Le mer. 13 mai 2020 à 17:08, Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit :
> On 5/12/20 3:50 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> The role I expect of the data consumers is to articulate how they would
> like to view the data (including what attributes they are expecting), and
> not to
Hi all
My 2cts : "in use" status and statuslink to the import proposal would be
enough, right?
Point is to determine where does the tag come from, and it's done by
statuslink, not status which reflect the current state of use.
All the best
François
Le mar. 17 mars 2020 à 10:55, Warin
Hi Amanda,
Thank you for this additional piece of very useful tool :)
> WWM/ends excludes canals.
It's ok but it includes pressurised waterways and these nodes are flagged
as ends : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2255728449/
I'd like to include canals instead of removing pressurised
réseaux
de distribution locaux (ou alors il faut un suivi régulier et pointu).
No connaissant pas l'organisation sur le bout des doigts, ces questions ne
se discutent peut-être pas au niveau français mais au dessus non?
A bientôt,
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bien
d'accord que le max de données disponibles reste l'objectif.
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visuellement sur les
transformateurs puis en remontant le jeu de barre).
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y a des
inondations, des glissements de terrain, des arrangements légaux pour
certaines parties, des échanges de parcelles qui ne feront pas l'objet
de retour en arrière.
Le 4 janvier 2013 20:55, François Lacombe
francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu a écrit :
Même après avoir lu les slides
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