Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 157, Issue 41

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 157, Issue 18

>From a trademark perspective, osm is the same as OSM. But I really like WOQ(s), it's clever and easy to say. - Kathleen On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 5:13 AM wrote: > Send talk mailing list submissions to > talk@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

If I were you, I would put the code into GitHub. It may seem like overkill, but it will make it much easier for others to find your scripts. It's free and there is a setting to generate a license file. The wiki is under a CC-SA license, which is not a good match for code. You could explicitly

Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

Hi Safwat, I thought about your hypothetical, and if someone was using a personally modified bot for personal use, the AGPL does not impose different conditions than GPL ("if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely..." doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

need the community and partners who share common goals to get > this successfully going. So all ideas in this direction are welcome, too. > > Best > > Tim > > > > *Von:* Kathleen Lu <kathleen...@mapbox.com> > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 00:25 > *An:*

Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

Hi Tim, Your app and what you hope to do with it both sound interesting. I hope you are successful. Here's some more information on the open licensing front to consider: - In order to have the legal rights necessary to "open" the material your users contributed, you would likely needed to have

Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

Hi, Openaddress.io lists a lot of open address data sources by country. A lot of it is CC-BY or ODbL or similar licenses (not all of it compatible with OSM), though you have to look at each individual location to see what it is specifically. For example:

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

WOF aside, we can put it on our agenda to discuss whether the CDLA-permissive license is compatible with ODbL (note that there is also a CDLA-sharealike, which is not compatible). I've started to see it mentioned in other circles as well. -Kathleen On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:19 PM Simon Poole

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

Ah, but wouldn't the alternative be for OSM to be under the LF umbrella/decrees, and we couldn't have that, you and I would be out of a job, Simon ;) On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 6:08 PM Simon Poole wrote: > WOF as a OSM compeitor. > > Am 22.08.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Kathleen Lu: > &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

> > PS: long diatribe on why on earth the linux foundation is supporting an > > OSM competitor not included. > > mmm... this is not good. > Do you know the reasons? > Simon - did you mean an OSM competitor or an ODbL competitor? (Best I know from various rumors is that various big companies

Re: [OSM-talk] External contact channels and GDPR

Hi Andrew, It's not clear to me why GDPR would make it unacceptable in general to ask someone to discuss something, whether a controversial edit or not, in one forum or another, OSMF or not. What would be the concern? -Kathleen On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:18 PM Andrew Hain

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

I think the most likely application may be the other way around, where transgender individuals concerned about harassment may purposefully seek out restrooms that are designated unisex in order to reduce the chances of encountering someone who might challenge whether they are using the "correct"

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

> I'm not sure if there is anywhere that would be: (5) 3 options male, > female & unisex (unisex=yes male=yes female=yes) > What about something I see fairly often at airports? A large women's restroom, a large men's restroom, and a single-stall "family" restroom?

Re: [OSM-talk] Community Data License Agreement – Permissive and ODbL?

Open Government License or ODbL? Best, Kathleen On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 2:33 AM Maurizio Napolitano wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 7:34 PM Kathleen Lu > wrote: > > > > WOF aside, we can put it on our agenda to discuss whether the > CDLA-permissive license is c

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

I would not be surprised if this was more of a rural/urban divide than a country divide. I cannot imagine that I could put a name on my house and then address a letter to that new name and city and ever expect it to get there. (I have a hard time imagining this would work in Berlin or London

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility Approval Request: Open Data Licence for the Sunshine Coast Regional District (B.C., Canada)

Hi Brent, To get an opinion from the LWG, you should email le...@osmfoundation.org. They recently opined on the Ottawa version of OGL Canada. The minutes for that are here: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes#Licensing_Working_Group -Kathleen On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 7:04

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Taiwan Open Government Data License

Hi Dan, The English version, at least, appears less restrictive than CC BY 4.0, and closer to the Canada Open Government License. The license is not specific as to the type of attribution required. The conservative route, is, as Frederik said, to ask the agency if attribution on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

ers > Blake > > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > > Sorry this took so long, I've added suggested wording here > > > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Waiver_and_Permission_Templates > > > > Than

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OpenLitterMap Terms and Conditions, Privacy

Hi Seán, I support the admirable goal of your map. Have you considered a CC0 license for the data you've collected? - https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Best, Kathleen On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM Seán Lynch wrote: > Dear all, > > Pretty loaded email

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

If I were you, I would put the code into GitHub. It may seem like overkill, but it will make it much easier for others to find your scripts. It's free and there is a setting to generate a license file. The wiki is under a CC-SA license, which is not a good match for code. You could explicitly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License clarification

/18 00:44, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > The way I understand the use, the OSM data is used to identify areas > > that are to be discarded. Data in those areas are discarded. Thus, the > > OSM data is not kept either, and no OSM data in the final dataset. Thus, > > there is no der

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License clarification

Hi Andy, In my opinion, your suggested attribution is sufficient. (Others are free to weigh in.) Best, Kathleen On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:46 AM Andrew Pon wrote: > Hello, > I am an employee with 3vGeomatics and we are interested in using open > street maps to help process our data, but were

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License clarification

The way I understand the use, the OSM data is used to identify areas that are to be discarded. Data in those areas are discarded. Thus, the OSM data is not kept either, and no OSM data in the final dataset. Thus, there is no derivative database containing OSM data. On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Interesting use case of combining OSM with proprietary data

> > My argument is about the geometry information. The friction map > combines road geometries from OSM and Google road geometry information. > I see no way it can be argued that this combination of road geometry > data which is rendered into the friction map is a collective database. > None of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Interesting use case of combining OSM with proprietary data

They are using OSM road data and Google road data to generate what they > call a "friction surface" which is essentially a raster map indicating > how fast you can move at every point of the map - faster on roads, > slower elsewhere depending on relief and landcover. This friction map > you can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Interesting use case of combining OSM with proprietary data

Hi Christoph, What is done here is combining road information (and some other data) > from OSM and proprietary data sources (Google) into a raster map (made > available as 'friction surface' under the first link above) and doing > further processing, analysis and map rendering based on that and >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Query on Government Open Data License - India (GODL)

Hi Naveen, LWG can add GODL-India to our agenda to review for compatibility. Note that in general, if a source is not compatible, there is always the option to ask for a waiver of the incompatible clause instead of release under ODbL or another compatible license. Thanks, Kathleen On Fri, Aug 24,

Re: [OSM-talk] Your thoughts on osm.org

> Imagine the openstreetmap.org home page, but without the map. > > I assume there would be a map, just that it would be a click away, right? > > Or maybe a smaller map, with context explaining OSM and how to get involved above and below the map, and an invitation to "explore the map" by clicking

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

n Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 7:47 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 14. Apr 2019, at 10:48, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > For Berne counties, I think it technically depends on where the > "infringement" takes place, whatever that would mean in thi

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

less the mapper was a disgruntled employee or some weird situation like that). -Kathleen On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:25 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > On 15 Apr 2019, at 18:07, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > > > Hi Martin, > > Yes, Google might already have a subsid

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

Google, yes. Google's lawyers, no ;) On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 4:07 AM Simon Poole wrote: > Actually I think the more important question is: doesn't google have a > better method to create a background map than screenshots? :-) > (particularly noticeable due to the POI pins in the 2nd and third >

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

The linked document was filed by GN's attorneys, submitted to the FCC, not authored by the FCC. That said, the level of detail on the map is so small that I personally would deem any copying de minimus. On Sat, Apr 13, 2019, 11:30 PM Clifford Snow wrote: > > François, > The US FCC should be

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

My opinion as a copyright lawyer is that there is nothing copyrightable in the single line that consists of the proposed route, under US law. Of course others are free to disagree. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 9:36 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > de minimis is applicable in cases where copyrighted

Re: [OSM-talk] FCC public documents license and submarine cables mapping

omfortable taking the "risk" myself. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019, 10:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 14. Apr 2019, at 09:47, Kathleen Lu via talk > wrote: > > > > My opinion as a copyright lawyer is that there is not

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

am not so bothered if people then use them as part of some other piece > of work which is commercial (such as a video with a narration, as you > suggested) - as long as they are attributed. > > > Would ODBL be the best license in this case? Or CC-by-SA? > > > Thanks, > >

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

> In general, it is impossible to find proper names in one language when you > have solely name in other language. One needs more context to actually do > this. > > To make the translator's job easier, I do a google or bing or wikidata > or some machine translation, so that they can skip the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

Looks neat, Nick! I will say that given that OSM is under ODbL, which is not compatible with CC-BY-SA (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility) I would suggest that you consider using ODbL as the license instead of CC-BY-SA. Best, Kathleen On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:22

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

> > > -- > *From:* Martin Koppenhoefer > *Sent:* 01 June 2019 08:25 > *To:* Nick Whitelegg > *Cc:* Kathleen Lu; Milo van der Linden; OSM Talk > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application > for hikers > > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

https://janaodaparaabastecer.vost.pt/ is a very interesting example. On my screen, the attribution clearly stretches longer than the width of the map. Is your opinion then that they should attribute similar to your European Commission example of "correct" attribution

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

> > > And to Martin's point, which would you consider more important, the > overlay of rare information, the gas stations, or the basemap? Or is the > overlay only more important than the basemap if the overlay comes from OSM? > > > In a basemap/overlay data constellation, I would generally

Re: [OSM-talk] Reports of FB problems to FB rather than to OSM (was: Attribution guideline status update)

website auto-creating notes every time someone made a report seems to support my theory. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:14 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 10/09/2019 17:40, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: > > Not that I've heard (I don't think that was ever the case), but 1000s > > of notes

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

reported to them, so isn't it better for them to do all that work? On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:44 PM Rihards wrote: > On 10.09.19 03:12, Kathleen Lu via osmf-talk wrote: > > > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018_11_15#Facebook_update > > A good

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:10 PM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > Today i was check the maps on their website and noticed they have a report > button, which i thought would create a note on OSM. Oh i was wrong, no note > on OSM, wonder where that report will go to. > ??? Nuno, you do realize that DWG

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

called > "Facebook maps"? > Às 19:33 de 09/09/2019, Kathleen Lu escreveu: > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:10 PM Nuno Caldeira < > nunocapelocalde...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Today i was check the maps on their website and noticed they have a >> repor

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

I agree that human wisdom is critical to high quality, and AI isn't useful if, at the end of the process, it doesn't produce quality output, but I will challenge this statement: "you can have high quality without AI." I don't think that's definitively true for a global map. It's very difficult to

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

On the other hand, if the map of your area is completely blank, it looks very daunting to a new mapper, who may be discouraged and abandon OSM (either as too difficult to improve and as too poor quality to use). The map is constantly changing because roads and other things on the map are changing

Re: [OSM-talk] Just email direclty | Re: Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback

**Just a fyi that Dristie is a woman. She was at SotM last year and quite nice to chat with. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:22 AM stevea wrote: > As Michal/Mike suggested, I did reply to DrishT's diary page and DrishT > quickly replied. He was conciliatory, saying "the team has been engaging > in as

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

> Guidelines by the licensor > > On legal advice, *what a Licensor says carries weight with users of our > data and, potentially, to a judge*. A court would make a final decision > on the issue, however we hope these guidelines are helpful to *avoid *disputes > arising in the first place and can

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

; acknowledge the notice. > Às 18:08 de 09/08/2019, Kathleen Lu escreveu: > > > Guidelines by the licensor >> >> On legal advice, *what a Licensor says carries weight with users of our >> data and, potentially, to a judge*. A court would make a final decision >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

this would probably not cause financial harm to OSMF, but it would be very damaging to the community. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:29 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 09 August 2019, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > You are right that we hope to avoid disputes by setting out > > reason

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

I don't think it's disingenuous at all for Facebook to use their own POIs instead of OSM's. Wasn't the whole point of the Collective Databases principle and the Collective Databases Guideline specifically to enable this type of usage, so that those interested in OSM did not have to make an "all or

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

> > b) LiveStream/Vimeo > > > But following your "Where in CC-BY-SA's license does it say that > attribution must be on top of an image or that no interaction is allowed", > i have search all LiveStream website and there's no notice at all of OSM > dat

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:27 PM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > Your complaint about LiveStream is that their attribution is completely > missing, not that it's behind a click. I agree that it's missing and that > it should be somewhere. It's not clear at all where they are getting their > data (the

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

The BBC article is missing a lot of context and details. The actual Facebook post - https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/ - notes both the importance of human mappers and the local community's on-the-ground contributions, and states "We became close

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing SIG

For your usecase, Tom, perhaps Street-Complete would work for you if you turned on all the building-related quests and turned off the other quests? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnordost.streetcomplete=en_US On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:33 AM Tom Russell wrote: > Am Mi., 6.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

;database haven". On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 10:37 AM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019, 17:29 Kathleen Lu, wrote: > >> I'm curious as to the reason for your doubts, Nuno. Are you aware of case >> law to the contrary? >> > > I'm just surpri

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

I concur with KaiRo that screenshots are likely fair uses under US law (and IAAL). They are small excerpts of the larger work (the map, or if you are comparing to the database, even less is copied), the underlying work is factual, the purpose is to provide an example and there is a good argument

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

IMO (not yet stating the official opinion of the LWG since the LWG has not had time convene and discuss), the predicted roads are not a Derivative Database and Facebook can apply whatever license it wants to them (including MIT). It is not a case of “raw data dervived from aerial imagery, plus

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook map frequency of updates?

Dave, I believe someone from the Facebook engineering team gave a presentation at the recent SotMs on this: https://2019.stateofthemap.org/sessions/3WQKAX/ & https://2019.stateofthemap.us/program/sun/keepin-it-fresh-and-good-continuous-ingestion-of-osm-data-at-facebook.html - the videos are up. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Digital environmentalism

I would not say this is true. Google maps has routing for walking, cycling, and public transit, and their public transit information is probably more complete than OSM's. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 11:25 AM Philip Barnes wrote: > OSM includes walking and cycling infrastructure thus promoting and >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

Nuno I searched your attachment for the word "Snap" and it is nowhere to be found. On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:55 AM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > Hi Mateusz, > > > They don't. Here's all my email exchange with them from October 2018, yes > *2018*. it's more than enough with evidence and time to be

Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

Right. Since the definition of "active contributor" includes "has maintained a valid email address in their registration profile and responds to a request to vote within 3 weeks", then people who do not vote do not count as active. A 2/3 majority voting in favor is not an easy threshold by any

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

Per the contributor agreement, the copyright remains with the contributors (to the extent their individual contributions were copyrightable), to license their rights to OSMF with a right to sublicense, but the database rights belong to OSMF, because OSMF is the only entity that "collected" the

Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

My local University is the same way. Students and faculty automatically get access, but community and alumni can get access by paying fees. Is access=members an option? It implies that you have to become a member according to some criteria, but that membership is possible for a large swath of

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

> the header of the code, that's the place where the attribution is expected. > > roughly equivalent to some corner in the displayed map, that's what the > license says, right? > I do not think these two things are at all equivalent. OSM is a database, so the equivalent attribution notice to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

I find this view quite surprising coming from a software engineer. I know no major open source license that requires attribution *in the UI that the user sees without clicking on anything*. Every example of open source license attribution I have seen is after several clicks, e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

standard would suggest a *much* less strict interpretation of what is "reasonable" under the ODbL. -Kathleen On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 28. Apr 2020, at 23:34, Kathleen Lu via talk > wrote: > > The F

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

ieb Kathleen Lu < > kathleen...@mapbox.com>: > >> I absolutely agree that looking at industry standard seems a good >> indication of what is reasonable. >> ...After researching this question, I found no commercial data provider >> that required data attribution as pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:14 AM Alexandre Oliveira wrote: > > Mapbox also has a whitelabling option for customers to remove the logo > from Mapbox tiles. But again, we're talking about the tile service. It > would be quite reasonable for OSM to add a logo to the OSM tiles and make > keeping

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name of a trail, park, or city to see their map.) > It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap. Those of > you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know > if simply stating "(c)

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

sent from a phone > > On 11. Sep 2020, at 20:46, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in > Poland, and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), > that's also fine because attribution was reasonable given the contex

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

"Reasonable" means that if you put the attribution in a language that most people would expect, then it's fine, including at an airport in Poland. If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland, and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging health facilities offering COVID testing

Where I am, there is wide variety in what days/hours such sites are available, whether they are free or have a cost, whether you need an appointment, and how temporary they are. Some are only around for a few weeks, and I would expect them to last maximum 1 yr. Further, the use is very limited

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

> Many females do not map using their own name but will use a male sounding > name to avoid problems. John, are you seriously citing this as evidence that there is not pervasive misogyny in the OSM community? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Fwd: Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

First, let me say that I do know Frederik personally, I have had pleasant dinners with him and hope to do so again post-pandemic. He has apologised for his poor choice of words, and I accept his apology. The volume of attacks and hostile tone against Celine in reaction to the document she shared

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Usage of OSM URLs in combination with proprietary set of URLs

Hello Gian and Sandro, IMO, from an ODbL it is definitely okay or you to extract URLs and crawl them, and publish the crawled data (though you'd need to attribute OSM for the URLs). But if you are combining OSM URLs with proprietary URLs, and then publishing both, then there's the question of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata

u > > 2019-05-14 8:08 GMT+09:00, Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 14. May 2019, at 00:14, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk > >> wrote: > >> > >> If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manu

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to get geolocation without problem into Wikidata

Hi, If by "Each wikidata people repeat this operation manually." you mean that each individual Wikipedia editor makes their own decision about whether to copy the lat/long, and it is not a coordinated or automated effort (not a "systematic attempt to aggregate" per the Geocoding Guidelines), then

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copy information from official business website (WAS: Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data)

a) - https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ddc63c34-a49f-4876-86d5-aaec83d65ed1 Best, Kathleen On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 1:48 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 11. Jul 2019, at 20:23, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > > > "Substantial inve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copy information from official business website (WAS: Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data)

For a single store I believe the answer is yes, since you're > extracting un-copyrightable facts. But if there are a significant > number of stores (as in this case), then the information becomes part > of a database, which is by default protected by database rights (at > least in the EU). You

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copy information from official business website (WAS: Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data)

r the obtaining, verification or presentation of the contents." (Note that investment in creating/setting the hours does not count.) Best, Kathleen On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:34 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. Jul 2019, at 18:35, Kat

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Houston, TX, open data policy license compliance

Hi Jan, Specifically, here's is an example of the Geographic Boundaries page that indicates a CC-BY license: http://data.houstontx.gov/group/geographic-boundaries On the left side, at the bottom of the list of information. I would surmise that this applies to all the geographic boundary datasets,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Houston, TX, open data policy license compliance

Exempt Data" as including data to which there are contractual limitations, so it appears that the city at least made some effort to exclude third-party data from open data. -Kathleen On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:42 PM Kathleen Lu wrote: > Hi Jan, > Specifically, here's is an examp

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

Agreed, my opinion is that generally a scenery generating program should be considered a produced work. It's possible the program reads from a derived database, depending on whether map features were added, but that *database* could be made available under ODbL. The program being GPL shouldn't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

The produced work guideline goes down the slippery slope of trying to > define a produced work though the intention of the creator. This was > always a highly questionable approach. Not only because intention in > general is hard to determine objectively but also because the ODbL does > not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copy information from official business website (WAS: Proposal for a revision of JA:Available Data)

Re the "misleading" license - I do not think that anyone at Tesco who wrote that to cover the entire website was thinking of how it would specifically apply to the hours of shops, as opposed to, for example, a phishing site that attempted to emulate the Tesco site. The different with the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

make a Derivative Database. But Mattias has been very clear that is not what he's doing. He just wants to display the subparts of a list of points he already has on a different layer than the other subparts. -Kathleen On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:49 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > Kathleen, > > On 12

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

nt body.* > > >- *If a change is made to another free and open license, it is active >contributors who decide yes or no, not the Foundation."* > > > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, 18:56 Frederik Ramm, wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 13.12.19 19:28, Kathleen

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

obviously prefer it if you added the data straight > back to our database, but you do not have to, *as long as the public can > easily get a copy of what you have done.* If you do not publicly > distribute anything, then you do not have to share anything. > > > Às 19:34 de 13/12/2019

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

Hi Christoph, I think that there is a premise to your list that I do not quite agree with. ODbL says: 3.1 Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, the Licensor grants to You a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, terminable (but only under Section 9) license to Use the Database for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

te: > > > sent from a phone > > On 16. Dec 2019, at 22:09, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk < > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > That's what the guidelines are for! > We can't cover every possible example because there are too many, but as I > already said, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

it will contain a lot of postcode information from the original > OpenStreetMap database, in adapted/translated form. This doesn't seem correct to me. In the final set, each point will only tell you yes/no whether it was in a particular postcode. That's not very much info at all. > > To create

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

No, ODbL does not apply to any database that does not include OSM data. There are two reasons. First, this example is analogous to the FAQ here:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

That's what the guidelines are for! We can't cover every possible example because there are too many, but as I already said, I think your usecase is covered by the Geocoding Guideline. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Geocoding_-_Guideline#The_Guideline > Why

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] use OSM data to select proprietary data

> It is kind of unfortunate, because OSM as far as I am informed, wouldn't > be interested in the specific dataset (of real estate prices) anyway. > > If it's not the type of data that OSM would be interested in, then why doesn't it fall under the Collective Database Guideline? the non-OSM data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] conflicting statements in Community Guidelines

Recall that under the geocoding guidelines, it is not considered a substantial extra if "only names, addresses, and/or latitude/longitude information are included in the Geocoding Results," "the collection is not a systematic attempt to aggregate all or substantially all Primary Features of a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

; Geocoding results, so long as the aggregated collection of results does > > not contain the whole or a substantial part of the OSM database. The > > cloud-based Geocoder is, however, required to credit OpenStreetMap as > > described in Section 4.3 of the ODbL. > > Ge

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ZIP codes from OSM in non-compatible licensed dataset

o the ODbL? I thought, ODbL is a > generic databank license and not OSM specific. > > > *Gesendet:* Montag, 14. Oktober 2019 um 19:57 Uhr > *Von:* "Kathleen Lu via legal-talk" > *An:* "Licensing and other legal discussions." < > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org&g

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensability of an employee's work

Jurisdiction dependant, but here are two general concepts which I think are relevant: As the statute you quoted specifies, when copyright will belong to the employer, it tends to depend on if the copyrightable work was made within the scope of the employee's job. (If you're a software programmer,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] map drawn based on OSM tiles

> Thus, assuming the shapefiles are essentially the equivalent of > > simplified OSM border shapefiles, the shapefiles are covered by ODbL. > > Actually, it's like 40% OSM borders (hard borders, like roads, rivers, > topography and administrative stuff) and 60% own borders, which don't > appear

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