Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 02 ott 2016, alle ore 09:57, Jochen Topf  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> But it is the style that people use to check their edits


there's already a tendency of "mapping for the renderer" in the sense that some 
people prefer to use a tag that is less pertinent but rendered compared to one 
that isn't (yet?) rendered but perfectly fitting for the feature. We should not 
push this imho. There are still technical limitations (column needed for every 
tag that can be shown) that prevent the style from showing everything that 
would be desirable.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 08:54:09AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > Il giorno 01 ott 2016, alle ore 16:23, Paul Norman  ha 
> > scritto:
> > 
> > OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by being the 
> > default layer, so the wiki should reflect that.
> 
> 
> Just because there's already special treatment does not mean we have to carve 
> it in stone. The icons which osm carto currently displays, belong into an osm 
> carto map key, not in the wiki on feature definition pages or map features 
> compilation pages. Let's not mix up the cartographic representation and 
> interpretation and choices of a specific style with the definition of the 
> tags. It was always postulated that osm is about data, and that the osm carto 
> style is just a demo implementation of one possible interpretation of this 
> data.

But it is the style that people use to check their edits. I just see
this as "giving people what they want". The current Map Feature page
shows that there are people who thought this was a good idea, otherwise
they wouldn't have gone through the considerable effort of adding those
images to the wiki.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 01 ott 2016, alle ore 16:23, Paul Norman  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by being the 
> default layer, so the wiki should reflect that.


Just because there's already special treatment does not mean we have to carve 
it in stone. The icons which osm carto currently displays, belong into an osm 
carto map key, not in the wiki on feature definition pages or map features 
compilation pages. Let's not mix up the cartographic representation and 
interpretation and choices of a specific style with the definition of the tags. 
It was always postulated that osm is about data, and that the osm carto style 
is just a demo implementation of one possible interpretation of this data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

Hi!

User "Wuzzy" did a huge amount of work related to this discussion here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wuzzy/diary/39580
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer/Key

Maybe we can use this somehow?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

2016-10-01 16:23 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman :

>
> OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by being the
> default layer, so the wiki should reflect that.
>

OSM Carto doesn't render all features the wiki describes
Will we left a blank space when there is no osm carto style?

No rendering in the infobox can also be a solution.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Sa, Okt 01, 2016 at 02:36:58 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> On 21.09.2016 01:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering.
> > 
> > It is currently only used in the supermarket page:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsupermarket
> 
> Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't feel it's great to give
> special treatment to Mapnik in the infobox, and there is not enough room for
> presenting all the renderers there.
> 
> While placing the icon in the infobox is probably the easiest way to make it
> available to Taginfo, we shouldn't forget that it also determines how
> renderer support is presented on the tag pages. And in that regard, I find
> it's a less than ideal solution.
> 
> Quite some time ago, someone suggested a "Rendering" section on tag pages,
> with example images for all (or at least a wider selection of) renderers
> supporting the feature. This wouldn't be limited to icons, either, but would
> also work for area styles, for example. I would clearly prefer a
> presentation along those lines, as it would represent the diversity of OSM
> rendering in a way that a Mapnik icon does not.
> 
> Of course this leaves the issue how to implement something along these lines
> while still allowing Taginfo to access the content. I don't pretend I have a
> solution, but could this information be integrated into the Taginfo projects
> JSON somehow? If I remember correctly, there is already the possibility to
> add icon urls.

Our "main map", the one with what we used to call "mapnik style" and now
sometimes call "osmcarto style" or so is somewhat special. It is the
only "general" style that we have that explicitly tries to show as many
features as possible. And there is the precedence of showing this style
(and this style only) in the tables on the Map Features page and in
other places on the wiki.

So I think it is not totally wrong to argue that this style is special
and is the only style we present in the Info Box and/or Map Features
page. But I also agree with your argument that it would make sense to
show more styles. 

For taginfo it is easiest to get the information out of the Info Box. It
is also easy to get the info out of the projects json files it already
collects. But if we agreed on some different format, that is also
something taginfo could support. So which mechanism we choose should not
depend too much on what's convenient for taginfo. Taginfo is software
that we can change and the effort involved is likely to be small. The
effort of maintaining all those icons is much larger. Ideally it is done
somewhere, where lots of people can help.

At the hack day at SOTM Matthijs and I threw around some ideas on how to
best get those icons into taginfo and back out and had the idea that it
doesn't make much sense importing all those icons manually into the wiki
when they are already in a git repository somewhere. We thought about
including the URL of the icon in the info box. But now with your
proposal, maybe it makes more sense to leave the wiki out of it
completely and just collect the icons all into some format (basically a
map legend) and let taginfo read it from there (and then maybe export it
into the wiki through the taglists feature). As you mention, we already
have a format that would support most of this (the taginfo projects json
files).

On the other hand all of this leads down the rathole of automatically
generating a map legend. It should be possible to create the list of
icons more or less automatically, but nobody has ever tried actually
implementing this. We can not delay introducing taglists because we are
waiting for somebody to implement legends, because this might never
happen. Yes, there are better ways of handling all this than copying
icons into the wiki manually and all this. But we are trying to solve
one problem here (the overcomplex and huge tag lists we manually
create) and we can't solve all the problems at once, otherwise we will
never get anywhere. So I think the way forwards has to be the simplest
thing we can do so that we can actually finish the current task and
then, after we have done one thing, we can think of tackling the next
one.

All of this brings me back to the first proposal: Just put the icons
into the info box (we don't even have to display them in the info box,
the template that creates the info box is just a convenient place to put
this data). Then taginfo gets the data from there and puts them into the
list. This is the short-term solution that would allow us to have the
same Map Features page we already have, with a hugely reduced (but not
totally removed) maintainance burden. Long-term somebody has to
implement map legends which taginfo can then understand.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Paul Norman]

On 2016-10-01 02:36 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:

Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't feel it's great to give 
special treatment to Mapnik in the infobox, and there is not enough 
room for presenting all the renderers there. 


OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by being the 
default layer, so the wiki should reflect that.


Just a reminder: All the layers on openstreetmap.org use Mapnik, a 
rendering library. There is no one "Mapnik" layer.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Tobias Knerr]

On 21.09.2016 01:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote:

I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering.

It is currently only used in the supermarket page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsupermarket


Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't feel it's great to give 
special treatment to Mapnik in the infobox, and there is not enough room 
for presenting all the renderers there.


While placing the icon in the infobox is probably the easiest way to 
make it available to Taginfo, we shouldn't forget that it also 
determines how renderer support is presented on the tag pages. And in 
that regard, I find it's a less than ideal solution.


Quite some time ago, someone suggested a "Rendering" section on tag 
pages, with example images for all (or at least a wider selection of) 
renderers supporting the feature. This wouldn't be limited to icons, 
either, but would also work for area styles, for example. I would 
clearly prefer a presentation along those lines, as it would represent 
the diversity of OSM rendering in a way that a Mapnik icon does not.


Of course this leaves the issue how to implement something along these 
lines while still allowing Taginfo to access the content. I don't 
pretend I have a solution, but could this information be integrated into 
the Taginfo projects JSON somehow? If I remember correctly, there is 
already the possibility to add icon urls.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

Understood Dalibor,

Obviously, no offense intended while replacing the whole template like I
did few days ago.

The problem isn't the taglist itself but the lack of translation of keys'
pages on wiki, I agree with that too.

Nevertheless I think it's a bad idea to wait for all translations of all
templates in all languages : we'll never implement this useful feature from
taginfo.
Can't we take this as an advantage to encourage wiki contributors to move
to this new format by creating local translations for the key they use ?
I mean no one will ever move if we say "ok there is a new way of defining
features lists but we put it aside for a while". And the wiki will be
messier.

Is there any other problem I didn't see regarding this ?


All the best

François

2016-09-26 10:51 GMT+02:00 Dalibor Jelínek :

> Hi Francois,
>
> it seems that we are talking about two different things.
>
> Yes, you are right that when all the tags in Taglist table
>
> are translated then it shows them correctly in given language.
>
> But when the tags themselves are not translated then
>
> there is nothing to show in that language.
>
[...]
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dalibor (chrabros)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

Hi Matthijs,

2016-09-23 14:27 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen :

> Yes, for the moment it is necessary to create a new page under a
> different name. If you move over the current template to TagList,
> non-English language wiki pages will break.
>

For me It worked like a charm.
I don't see that problem on power features list. The list is ok for
English, French and Italian languages.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Power

Can you show me an example of bad case please ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 21 September 2016 at 09:25, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> On Mi, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:33:28 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
>> On 1 September 2016 at 15:04, Jochen Topf  wrote:
>> > So, if somebody adds the rendering to the infobox (and tells me about it),
>> > I'll pull that data from taginfo and can put it in the taglist tables.
>>
>> I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering.
>
> Just looked at this and it isn't the greatest format for parsing by
> taginfo due to the wiki-specific syntax:
>
> osmcarto-rendering=[[File:Supermarket-14.svg|14px]]
>
> Could we make it like the "image" attribute instead, just the name of
> the image file?
>
> image=Image:Sainsbury'sGlos.jpg
>
> Or a real URL?

Sure, I fixed this now.

> The size shouldn't be something you have to supply with it, the user
> should decide on the size, using whatever size fits into whatever the
> user is doing.

In this case I think the size is actually valuable data. It would be
nice if the wiki could display the icons real size. For example, shop
icons should be displayed small, while pieces of landuse rendering
should be displayed bigger. I therefore added an extra field to the
InfoBox, specifying the rendering size in openstreetmap-carto. Feel
free to either user this field or ignore it in your application.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 21 September 2016 at 09:53, François Lacombe
 wrote:
> You deal with pages like Template:Map_Features/XXX but power template is
> currently known as Template:Map_Features:power
> Have we to rename the template to Template:Map_Features/Power ?

Yes, for the moment it is necessary to create a new page under a
different name. If you move over the current template to TagList,
non-English language wiki pages will break.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

Hi Jochen

2016-09-21 10:08 GMT+02:00 Jochen Topf :

> No, count isn't a criteria at all. man_made=mill is simply not included
> automatically, because there is no wiki page for it.
>

Understood, thanks for clarification


>
> I recommend giving an explicit list of all tags that you want to have in
> your list. Just using the key only is more of a short-cut to help get
> you going.
>

100% percent agreed

I'll move power features to this new template format soon

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Hello,
I wholeheartedly agree with this opinion to include tags in Taglist manually.
Otherwise it would become just a dumb list of all tags, even those deprecated, 
poorly designed and duplicated.

Regards,
 Dalibor (chrabros)

> -Original Message-
> From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: François Lacombe <fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>
> Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk@openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki
> 
> Hi!
> 
> On Mi, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:53:27 +0200, François Lacombe wrote:
> > The way the list is built isn't clear to me : for man_made example you
> > just give tags=man_made as template parameter but taginfo doesn't
> > return the whole set of values.
> > I see a man_made=mill value on taginfo which is not visible on the
> > wiki loaded template Is count the only criteria ?
> 
> No, count isn't a criteria at all. man_made=mill is simply not included
> automatically, because there is no wiki page for it.
> 
> I recommend giving an explicit list of all tags that you want to have in your 
> list.
> Just using the key only is more of a short-cut to help get you going.
> 
> In my opinion it makes sense to have a human edit the complete list of
> everything they want to have in that list. That is the power of the wiki after
> all, that it is not autogenerated, but somebody actually curates this list.
> Taginfo should only be the helper here that makes it easier, but it shouldn't
> decide what ends up on that list and what doesn't.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

Hi!

On Mi, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:53:27 +0200, François Lacombe wrote:
> The way the list is built isn't clear to me : for man_made example you just
> give tags=man_made as template parameter but taginfo doesn't return the
> whole set of values.
> I see a man_made=mill value on taginfo which is not visible on the wiki
> loaded template
> Is count the only criteria ?

No, count isn't a criteria at all. man_made=mill is simply not included
automatically, because there is no wiki page for it.

I recommend giving an explicit list of all tags that you want to have in
your list. Just using the key only is more of a short-cut to help get
you going.

In my opinion it makes sense to have a human edit the complete list of
everything they want to have in that list. That is the power of the wiki
after all, that it is not autogenerated, but somebody actually curates
this list. Taginfo should only be the helper here that makes it easier,
but it shouldn't decide what ends up on that list and what doesn't.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

Hi Matthijs,

I find this stuff interesting for power features and thinking to move the
current template to this new system.

You deal with pages like Template:Map_Features/XXX but power template is
currently known as Template:Map_Features:power
Have we to rename the template to Template:Map_Features/Power ?

The way the list is built isn't clear to me : for man_made example you just
give tags=man_made as template parameter but taginfo doesn't return the
whole set of values.
I see a man_made=mill value on taginfo which is not visible on the wiki
loaded template
Is count the only criteria ?


All the best

François

2016-09-21 1:40 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen :

> On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
>  wrote:
> > As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features
> page:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> > it seems to work well there.
>
> We now have TagList templates for the following keys:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/natural
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/geological
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/man_made
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/emergency
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/office
>
> I could use some help with creating TagList templates for the other
> keys. Is anybody interested?
>
> Creating the template page itself is easy. Just create a page name
> Template:Map_Features/XXX where XXX is the key; have a look at one of
> the existing pages for more information.
>
> Now we need to check if the TagList is correct and complete. To do so,
> check if all entries on the old map features page have an entry on the
> TagList page (this should be the case if they have wiki entries).
> Also, check if the definition and photo on the new page is not worse
> than the definition on the old page.
>
> (Note: by convention, definitions typically start with 'a' or 'an',
> and avoid repeating the name of the object itself. For example for
> natural=wetland, do not use "the wetland tag is used for natural areas
> subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground" but "a natural area
> subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground".)
>
> It would be great if other people would be interested in working on
> this as well.
>
> -- Matthijs
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

Hi Matthijs,

On Mi, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:33:28 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On 1 September 2016 at 15:04, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> > So, if somebody adds the rendering to the infobox (and tells me about it),
> > I'll pull that data from taginfo and can put it in the taglist tables.
> 
> I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering.

Just looked at this and it isn't the greatest format for parsing by
taginfo due to the wiki-specific syntax:

osmcarto-rendering=[[File:Supermarket-14.svg|14px]]

Could we make it like the "image" attribute instead, just the name of
the image file?

image=Image:Sainsbury'sGlos.jpg

Or a real URL?

The size shouldn't be something you have to supply with it, the user
should decide on the size, using whatever size fits into whatever the
user is doing.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
 wrote:
> As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> it seems to work well there.

We now have TagList templates for the following keys:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/natural
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/geological
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/man_made
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/emergency
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features/office

I could use some help with creating TagList templates for the other
keys. Is anybody interested?

Creating the template page itself is easy. Just create a page name
Template:Map_Features/XXX where XXX is the key; have a look at one of
the existing pages for more information.

Now we need to check if the TagList is correct and complete. To do so,
check if all entries on the old map features page have an entry on the
TagList page (this should be the case if they have wiki entries).
Also, check if the definition and photo on the new page is not worse
than the definition on the old page.

(Note: by convention, definitions typically start with 'a' or 'an',
and avoid repeating the name of the object itself. For example for
natural=wetland, do not use "the wetland tag is used for natural areas
subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground" but "a natural area
subject to inundation or with waterlogged ground".)

It would be great if other people would be interested in working on
this as well.

-- Matthijs

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 September 2016 at 15:04, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> So, if somebody adds the rendering to the infobox (and tells me about it),
> I'll pull that data from taginfo and can put it in the taglist tables.

I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering.

It is currently only used in the supermarket page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsupermarket

I could use some help of others to add the entry to other pages too.

-- Matthijs

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 September 2016 at 15:05, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> What are the problems with translations?

I didn't realise the non-English Map Features templates include the
English Map Features template. Nothing we can't fix, but simply
putting TagLists in the English Template:Map_Features:XXX pages won't
work and will break the non-English pages.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:42:54 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
>  wrote:
> > As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features 
> > page:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> > it seems to work well there.
> 
> As there are some problems with the translations of the pages, this
> has now been reverted.

What are the problems with translations?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

Hi!

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:01:16 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On a bit longer term, would it be an idea to add a field for
> 'rendering' (in the default stylesheet) to the infobox, and include it
> on taginfo? I know the 'default' stylesheet is just one of the
> stylesheets, and therefore the choice a bit arbitrary, but if the list
> has icons, like on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop, it does
> make it easier to browse through for me.

This is a good idea. Historically the "Rendering" images on the Map
Features page were often very bad and not well maintained. But looking
at it now, it looks quite good, especially for POIs.

So, if somebody adds the rendering to the infobox (and tells me about it),
I'll pull that data from taginfo and can put it in the taglist tables.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:01:16 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> it seems to work well there.
> 
> The only thing not working are the image links, which are currently broken.

This is now fixed. Images work again.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
 wrote:
> As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> it seems to work well there.

As there are some problems with the translations of the pages, this
has now been reverted.

However, a demo can be found here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Math1985/Test

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 1 September 2016 at 09:01, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> And feel free to tell me if you need anything more or different. What it
> does at the moment is what I thought might be useful and doable. That
> doesn't mean this is the best solution.

As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
it seems to work well there.

The only thing not working are the image links, which are currently broken.

On a bit longer term, would it be an idea to add a field for
'rendering' (in the default stylesheet) to the infobox, and include it
on taginfo? I know the 'default' stylesheet is just one of the
stylesheets, and therefore the choice a bit arbitrary, but if the list
has icons, like on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop, it does
make it easier to browse through for me.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:21:39 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 September 2016, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> 
> > On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 12:42:10 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > > We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
> > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
> > >
> > > The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
> > > store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
> > > and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.
> > >
> >
> > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Taglists . This "just"
> > needs some people going through every tag list in the wiki and replacing
> > it by the special syntax. The problem ist, as you say, the differing
> > descriptions and such, which need to be consolidated in the process.
> 
> 
> Great, that's exactly what I needed. Will see what we can do with that.

And feel free to tell me if you need anything more or different. What it
does at the moment is what I thought might be useful and doable. That
doesn't mean this is the best solution.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

On Thursday, 1 September 2016, Jochen Topf  wrote:

> On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 12:42:10 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
> >
> > The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
> > store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
> > and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.
> >
>
> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Taglists . This "just"
> needs some people going through every tag list in the wiki and replacing
> it by the special syntax. The problem ist, as you say, the differing
> descriptions and such, which need to be consolidated in the process.


Great, that's exactly what I needed. Will see what we can do with that.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[François Lacombe]

Hi Matthijs,

+1 to keep Map Feature pages up to date.

It would be great to sync definitions with info boxes (with some template
tricks but it more looks like wiki-data than simple wikimedia templates)
TagInfo already got it from wiki

All the best
Francois
Le 1 sept. 2016 12:45 AM, "Matthijs Melissen"  a
écrit :

> Hi,
>
> We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
>
> The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
> store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
> and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.
>
> Duplication of definitions seems not ideal to me. Even though a lot of
> people try to update this, there are still quite a lot differences
> between the definitions on the map feature pages and the definitions
> in the infoboxes.
>
> Do we want to keep the Map Features page? If yes, do we have technical
> means to keep the definitions synchronised? Could we perhaps generate
> it from Taginfo, or somehow include the definition from the Infobox on
> the Map Features page?
>
> -- Matthijs
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Jochen Topf]

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 12:42:10 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
> 
> The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
> store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
> and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.
> 
> Duplication of definitions seems not ideal to me. Even though a lot of
> people try to update this, there are still quite a lot differences
> between the definitions on the map feature pages and the definitions
> in the infoboxes.
> 
> Do we want to keep the Map Features page? If yes, do we have technical
> means to keep the definitions synchronised? Could we perhaps generate
> it from Taginfo, or somehow include the definition from the Infobox on
> the Map Features page?

A solution using Taginfo has been available for about a year now, but
nobody took this up. (I guess because not many people know that this
exists, and I didn't have time to promote it really.)

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Taglists . This "just"
needs some people going through every tag list in the wiki and replacing
it by the special syntax. The problem ist, as you say, the differing
descriptions and such, which need to be consolidated in the process.

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[OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

[Matthijs Melissen]

Hi,

We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features

The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.

Duplication of definitions seems not ideal to me. Even though a lot of
people try to update this, there are still quite a lot differences
between the definitions on the map feature pages and the definitions
in the infoboxes.

Do we want to keep the Map Features page? If yes, do we have technical
means to keep the definitions synchronised? Could we perhaps generate
it from Taginfo, or somehow include the definition from the Infobox on
the Map Features page?

-- Matthijs

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