Re: [OSM-talk] Learning to Use Machine Learning - A learn along for folks who want to be using ML in their work.
Hi Christoph, Thank you very much adding that notice, I was sure someone would :) There are also a tremendous about of use cases for these tools that do not involve putting data in OSM. But rest assure, myself and everyone I interact with know about the guidelines and no one suggests ever not following them. These are really the early efforts to "operationalize" or create workflows for different use cases. Those guidelines will always be the core of any workflow that puts data in OSM I am quite sure. Thank you for doing the responsible thing and reminding us all. Cheers Blake On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > As a quick reminder to any mapper who wants to use algorithmically > generated data as a source for mapping work: > > If you upload such data without manually verifying the individual > features against local knowledge or suitable primary data you are doing > a mechanical edit or import and must follow the rules we have for > those: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines > > Practically this would for example be the case if - when being asked > about the validity of your mapping by a fellow mapper - you'd be > inclined to answer "I don't know, that's what the algorithm generated". > You would then be in the mechanical edit/import domain. > > This is not a new topic, we have had this kind of problem in the past on > several occasions, for example with use of automated tracing tools like > scanaerial - which can be used both productively and responsibly for > manual mapping as well as for doing bad quality mechanical > edits/imports. And in particular with algorithms advertised with the > terms 'learning' and 'intelligence' implying human like capability and > thereby a lack of need for human control and verification this is > important to keep in mind. > > If you are not controlling the algorithm yourself but are being given > pre-generated data by others for the purpose of uploading it to OSM - > with or without manual verification - you are always doing an import > and need to follow the guidelines. > > Side note: It would be a responsible thing to include a reminder like > what i wrote above with a message like the one i reply to here or in > the welcome messages/FAQs etc. of dedicated communication channels. > > -- > Christoph Hormann > http://www.imagico.de/ > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Blake Girardot Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Learning to Use Machine Learning - A learn along for folks who want to be using ML in their work.
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2018, at 15:54, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > If you are not controlling the algorithm yourself but are being given > pre-generated data by others for the purpose of uploading it to OSM - > with or without manual verification - you are always doing an import > and need to follow the guidelines. +1 Also if you are controlling the algorithm yourself but are not manually and individually verifying its outcome, you are performing an import. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Learning to Use Machine Learning - A learn along for folks who want to be using ML in their work.
As a quick reminder to any mapper who wants to use algorithmically generated data as a source for mapping work: If you upload such data without manually verifying the individual features against local knowledge or suitable primary data you are doing a mechanical edit or import and must follow the rules we have for those: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines Practically this would for example be the case if - when being asked about the validity of your mapping by a fellow mapper - you'd be inclined to answer "I don't know, that's what the algorithm generated". You would then be in the mechanical edit/import domain. This is not a new topic, we have had this kind of problem in the past on several occasions, for example with use of automated tracing tools like scanaerial - which can be used both productively and responsibly for manual mapping as well as for doing bad quality mechanical edits/imports. And in particular with algorithms advertised with the terms 'learning' and 'intelligence' implying human like capability and thereby a lack of need for human control and verification this is important to keep in mind. If you are not controlling the algorithm yourself but are being given pre-generated data by others for the purpose of uploading it to OSM - with or without manual verification - you are always doing an import and need to follow the guidelines. Side note: It would be a responsible thing to include a reminder like what i wrote above with a message like the one i reply to here or in the welcome messages/FAQs etc. of dedicated communication channels. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
