Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-28 13:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> If their first language doesn't use Latin roots they will also have to
> look up "name".
>


sorry, seems "name" has Germanic roots.

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Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-28 10:53 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend :

> On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote:
> Many mappers (especially those with a first language that doesn't use many
> Greek roots) will I suspect struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata"
> actually means.
>
>


maybe, but they could look it up. If their first language doesn't use Latin
roots they will also have to look up "name".
While I don't want to endorse this specific tag, I don't think we should
criticize it based on the tag name (which IMHO is quite precise and
self-explanatory). Yes, if you completely miss any european cultural
background, all tags are difficult (and this is not limited to the word
"etymology").

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Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 September 2017 at 09:53, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> "objects named after Leuven"

> I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was
> better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikidata=Q118958 or even
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikipedia=nl%3ALeuven

Objects named after Leuven MUST NOT be tagged "wikidata=Q118958", nor
"wikipedia=:Leuven"

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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Marc Gemis
Andy are you now saying that it is OK to have 1 wikidata tag on each
street, so someone can create an external list of streets with
Wikidata ids to represent some kind of collection (like "all streets
named after Leuven") ?

m.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote:
>>
>>
>> All OSM objects with a name (in several languages) referring to a city.
>> More zoomed in:
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s20
>>
> ... except that it isn't necessarily "all objects" - it's "a list of objects
> in OSM manually curated by you".  You're still going to have to monitor
> changes to those objects and look for new instances of "objects named after
> Leuven" in the real world and newly added to OSM.  You happen to be using a
> "name:etymology:wikidata" key in OSM to do this, but frankly you could keep
> that list anywhere - it doesn't depend on "etymology" wikidata tags in OSM.
> Many mappers (especially those with a first language that doesn't use many
> Greek roots) will I suspect struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata"
> actually means.
>
> I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was
> better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikidata=Q118958 or even
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikipedia=nl%3ALeuven .
>
> I'm not saying that it isn't a great project - it's exactly the sort of
> thing that many OSMers do for many different sorts of data.  I'm just not
> convinced that it depends on the ability to create more and more
> unverifiable keys within OSM.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andy
>
>
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