Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Maarten Deen]

On 2018-04-14 10:15, Michael Reichert wrote:


The list of good and bad tags can be found on the wiki


That is my whole point. No you can not. Some messages can be found 
verbatim, some can be found only if you connect the dots (that 
error_something_with_description means that the node has a description 
tag without another logical tag) some can not be found.



or you look it up
in the source code.


That is never a documentation. As much as programmers try to convince 
you it is.


Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Thanks for tip on the permalink. I didn't know I could use that ;)


-Original Message-
>From: Jochen Topf <joc...@remote.org>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2018 11:55 AM
>To: "Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com" <jacknst...@sprynet.com>
>Cc: OSM <talk@openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes
>
>On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 07:02:39AM +0400, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
>wrote:
>> OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For example, 
>> these
>> nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of buildings:
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454
>> 
>> I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything 
>> specifically
>> on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some documentation I can refer to
>> which addresses this specific situation?
>
>Click on the litte (i) icon next to the "View" dropbox. This will take
>you to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Tagging
>where everything should documented.
>
>Btw: It would have made your question easier to understand if you had
>supplied a link to the OSMI page you are looking at (for that use the
>"Permalink" on the bottom right). I was looking through the "Addresses"
>view because you mentioned something with "address nodes" trying to
>figure out what you meant...
>
>Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-04-13 10:06 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen :

>
> I think the issue is foremost that it is nowhere written down what this
> message exactly is so it is difficult to make the judgement what do do with
> it.
> For instance the OSMI page about address checks [1] nicely lists error
> messages but the page about tagging errors [2] only describes possible
> messages and for water [3] there is not even that.



yes, it is somehow inherent for tagging "errors" (in all QA tools) that
they are possible problems and not absolute ones (any tag you like).

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Maarten Deen]

On 2018-04-13 09:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

sent from a phone

On 13. Apr 2018, at 08:54, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
 wrote:


Yes, that's it, but where is it written? ;)


Josm validator warnings are often about problems that are not
explicitly described and sometimes I also don’t agree they are a
problem (exceptionally, mostly they work), it’s up to the mapper to
decide, they are just hints about eventual problems.


I think the issue is foremost that it is nowhere written down what this 
message exactly is so it is difficult to make the judgement what do do 
with it.
For instance the OSMI page about address checks [1] nicely lists error 
messages but the page about tagging errors [2] only describes possible 
messages and for water [3] there is not even that.


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Addresses
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Tagging
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Water

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Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jochen Topf]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 07:02:39AM +0400, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
wrote:
> OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For example, these
> nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of buildings:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454
> 
> I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything specifically
> on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some documentation I can refer to
> which addresses this specific situation?

Click on the litte (i) icon next to the "View" dropbox. This will take
you to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Tagging
where everything should documented.

Btw: It would have made your question easier to understand if you had
supplied a link to the OSMI page you are looking at (for that use the
"Permalink" on the bottom right). I was looking through the "Addresses"
view because you mentioned something with "address nodes" trying to
figure out what you meant...

Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 13. Apr 2018, at 08:54, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's it, but where is it written? ;)



Josm validator warnings are often about problems that are not explicitly 
described and sometimes I also don’t agree they are a problem (exceptionally, 
mostly they work), it’s up to the mapper to decide, they are just hints about 
eventual problems.


Cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Yes, that's it, but where is it written? ;)


-Original Message-
>From: Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2018 9:20 AM
>To: OSM <talk@openstreetmap.org>
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes
>
>On 2018-04-13 05:02, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:
>> OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For
>> example, these nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of
>> buildings:
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454
>> 
>> I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything
>> specifically on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some
>> documentation I can refer to which addresses this specific situation?
>
>Maybe it's complaining about the description tag without having some 
>other tag to indicate what this node is?
>
>Maarten
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] no_feature_tag_nodes

[Maarten Deen]

On 2018-04-13 05:02, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:

OSM Inspector tags some individual address nodes as errors. For
example, these nodes located inside the lateral boundaries of
buildings:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5438712543#map=19/39.68899/-104.86454

I guess I'm reading it wrong, but I can't seem to locate anything
specifically on the wiki that refers to this. Is there some
documentation I can refer to which addresses this specific situation?


Maybe it's complaining about the description tag without having some 
other tag to indicate what this node is?


Maarten

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