[Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jack Dylan writes --- this is ... my opinion [only] on his dancing; Chicho might well be a great teacher and choreographer. I found him a middling teacher (of course he MIGHT have improved since 2003/4). A lady friend took one class and said never again. His focus, she said, was just on the

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-30 Thread Tango Society of Central Illinois
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a fan of nuevo tango and have taken a lot of classes in it, but some people have greatly exagerated its importance today and in the future. I think it ultimately will have a definite but only a small part in the

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread Vince Bagusauskas
Splitters! (with apologies to the Life of Brian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lois Donnay Sent: Friday, 28 November 2008 11:30 PM To: Tango-L Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves Well, I am currently in Buenos Aires, and am

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread Crrtango
Lois Wrote: Well, I am currently in Buenos Aires, and am seeing more and more tango performances in the milonga that have less and less Argentine tango in them, and more Dancing with the Stars. Are you referring to the general style of the dancing at the milonga or just the performances?

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread Lois Donnay
Well, I am currently in Buenos Aires, and am seeing more and more tango performances in the milonga that have less and less Argentine tango in them, and more Dancing with the Stars. Completely choreoghraphed, lots of lifts, less musicality - but the crowd loves it! Monkey see, monkee do - Are

[Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lois Donnay wrote - I am currently in Buenos Aires, and am seeing more and more tango performances in the milonga that have less and less Argentine tango in them, and more Dancing with the Stars. Completely choreoghraphed, lots of lifts, less musicality __ It

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread Crrtango
In a message dated 11/28/08 3:39:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  I've had the chance to observe closely (among others) Fabian Salas and Chicho Frumboli when they are dancing socially.  On tight dance floors they commit none of the nuevo crimes ascribed to them.  And if they do show moves

[Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles wrote - [Observing Chicho] for a number of years now ... ten years ago. If there was any open space at all he would be flying around the room passing people, dodging in and out, spinning like a washing machine. __ My observations were in 2003 and 2004. I

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-28 Thread Jack Dylan
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=a-5Bxtck3Uw   This, incidentally, is Chicho in 2003, during the two years on which he visited L.A. a half dozen times and during which I took several lessons from him.  He went to milongas about a dozen times

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-27 Thread Jay Rabe
I witnessed a reaction similar to what Jack described when Miguel performed at a milonga in BsAs. You'd have thought he was a rock star or something. Frankly I couldn't quite understand it. His dancing always seems a little too cutesy and clever for my taste. But he is a genuinely warm and

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-26 Thread Vince Bagusauskas
: [Tango-L] How tango evolves Barbara, I'd like to agree with you but, if the couples haven't been to Argentina, ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-26 Thread David Thorn
It appears to me that some on the list would have us believe that tango was born in the Golden Age and always had the set of attributes that we now associate with tango. We walk around small, look elegant, are musical, keep our head and eyes up etc. One of the interesting things about

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-26 Thread Myk Dowling
Trini (PATangoS) wrote: At some point, a version of Argentine tango became Finnish tango. A version of Argentine tango became International Ballroom tango. It's quite possible that a version of Argentine tango is becoming another type of tango, a separate branch on the evolutionary chain.

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-26 Thread Jack Dylan
Trini, Thank you, thank you - absolutely magnificent! And did you notice how almost all the YouTube comments were in Spanish? I saw Miguel Zotto in BsAs a few years ago. The audience, mostly Argentine, went crazy. Miguel is a true tango icon. Jack From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) [EMAIL

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-25 Thread Jack Dylan
Barbara, I'd like to agree with you but, if the couples haven't been to Argentina, how can they actually KNOW what real tango is? I'm sure you do know couples who dance traditional tango beautifully without visiting Argentina but I suspect it's because they like you and they like the way you

[Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-24 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
Hi all, Since there's been some reference to tango being changed to whatever the users want it to be recently, I've been thinking of the factors that cause tango or dance to evolve. While I agree with many that tango does evolve, I don't believe that it happens willy-nilly. That anybody can

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-24 Thread Vince Bagusauskas
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trini y Sean (PATangoS) Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 5:13 AM To: Tango-L Subject: [Tango-L] How tango evolves So what has prompted tango to evolve in the past? Women's fashion changes. Changes in the music. Space

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Dylan
OK, I'm confused. From: Nina Pesochinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vince is right.  Those are the big changes and they result in the  changes in tango. Vince and Nina agree - except that I get the impression that the factors listed by Vince as causes for change are approved of by Vince but not

Re: [Tango-L] How tango evolves

2008-11-24 Thread Tango Society of Central Illinois
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trini y Sean (PATangoS) Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 5:13 AM To: Tango-L Subject: [Tango-L] How tango evolves So what has prompted tango to evolve in the past? Women's fashion changes. Changes in the music. Space limitations