Re: [Tango-L] Beginners and milongas

2008-02-15 Thread Carol Shepherd
Since we all hate the 8CB paso basico so much and feel it is a failed teaching method that encourages the wrong kind of dancing and collisions on the pista, how do we all feel about the open frame 6CB (modified box step) that is frequently taught for milonga? I say it is a nice, simple figure

Re: [Tango-L] beginners and milonga

2008-02-15 Thread Carol Shepherd
Interesting. When I learned D8CB tango from Ray Hogan and Amy Calio in Detroit 10 years ago (open frame), after about 3-4 months, the next dance on the agenda was milonga. Difficulty was very clearly presented as tango, milonga, vals. We didn't even get to vals until level 3. Milonga was

Re: [Tango-L] Beginners and milongas

2008-02-15 Thread doug
alex Most fail to see tango in its social light - that it is a social dance - a social experience. Tango has its own culture. (Some have called it a cult.) Beginner classes often fail in not teaching or conveying the other aspects of tango (beyond the dance, the vocabulary, the technique) - not

Re: [Tango-L] Beginners and milongas

2008-02-15 Thread Keith
What's the point of replacing one 'basic figure' with another basic figure? Especially as the 6CB incudes the worst elements of the 8CB, i.e. the back step and the Resolution. I think the only common ground so far in this discussion is that there should be no such thing as a basic figure in

[Tango-L] Tango-L Helping Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces

2008-02-15 Thread NANCY
- Why not show them something they all already know how to do? Remember your first dancing? What did you do? Well, you put your arms around the girl's waist and she put her arms around your shoulders and you stood in place, rocking back and forth ( ahem..Rock Step!) Tell them to use

[Tango-L] Tango-L Beginners Teachers

2008-02-15 Thread Patricia Katz
IMO, if, over time, a beginner doesn't develop a love and feel for classic argentine tango music and in addition can't find the beat, no matter how many months of classes he/she attends or how many different (if available) teachers are used, then I believe it's a lost cause. What does a teacher

Re: [Tango-L] Tango-L Helping Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces

2008-02-15 Thread Tango For Her
( New leaders, save these!!! ) Nice! Here's another: Back when I was just past being a newbie, but still could only do the basic few patterns and only in one direction, I got some helpful advice. There was an extra teacher hanging out in the room, helping here and there. :o) This move really

Re: [Tango-L] Tango-L Helping Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces

2008-02-15 Thread Carol Shepherd
Maybe you mean that a front ocho figure is a good holding pattern? Or did you mean that a front ocho or back ocho figure can also be over- or under-rotated to realign the couple's direction, to navigate around a couple that has stopped to execute some kind of non-progressing figure. Also

Re: [Tango-L] Help Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces

2008-02-15 Thread Alexis Cousein
Tango For Her wrote: It just seems that the two discussions, “walk, walk, walk” and “the basic-8” are just spending a lot of time just defending or breaking down these teaching styles. Those teacing methods already exist and new leaders still have nightmares when they get out to the

[Tango-L] Some get it, some don't.

2008-02-15 Thread Crrtango
IMO, if, over time, a beginner doesn't develop a love and feel for classic argentine tango music and in addition can't find the beat, no matter how many months of classes he/she attends or how many different (if available) teachers are used, then I believe it's a lost cause. What does a teacher

Re: [Tango-L] beginners and milonga

2008-02-15 Thread doug
Charles Theoretically, it sounds fun to start that way, but pedagogically speaking it is a little like putting the cart before the horse. /Charles Having taught dance for over 10 years now, I find that pedagogy often dictates that fun precede deep study. Nothing wrong with coasting around in

[Tango-L] Help Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces

2008-02-15 Thread Tango For Her
Help Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces When I was a beginner, my first milonga was on a very small, very crowded floor. No room to move. DisasterVille! Later, as a more advanced dancer, I had a few interesting private lessons. 1. I had a private lesson with a partner. It was in a 10x8 space.

Re: [Tango-L] Osvaldo Centeno -- his exhibition in El Beso during Encuentro Tango Milonguero

2008-02-15 Thread Dubravko Kakarigi
Original Message From: Janis Kenyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Osvaldo was overwhelmed by the response to his dancing on Monday night in El Beso. He has never done an exhibition because he dances for himself, not an audience. That explains it to some extent. He did not look to be in

Re: [Tango-L] Osvaldo Centeno -- his exhibition in El Beso during Encuentro Tango Milonguero

2008-02-15 Thread Dubravko Kakarigi
Original Message From: Janis Kenyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Osvaldo was overwhelmed by the response to his dancing on Monday night in El Beso. He has never done an exhibition because he dances for himself, not an audience. That explains it to some extent. He did not look to be in