[Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-30 Thread desdelasnubes
Dear Mr. Stradivarius We don't have many Strads in Buffalo... But the top two or three were first taught by me. Reading your many postings on ecstasis and control I have come to understand that among old violins you have but a few so called Strads that your maestro teaching has help to

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-30 Thread Floyd Baker
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:08:44 +0200, you wrote: Dear Mr. Stradivarius We don't have many Strads in Buffalo... But the top two or three were first taught by me. Reading your many postings on ecstasis and control My postings were not on 'ecstasis and control' The original subject line was

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Keith
Floyd, I'm amazed that any regular reader of Tango-L could have missed the ... 'violin debate'. And, yes. it did seem endless. I don't recall your website being mentioned but someone else did use the analogy of the woman being the 'violin'. I certainly don't want to restart that debate but I

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Floyd Baker
Hi Keith... Thanks for the word on the thread.I have looked back in my own archive and found it was going on from Dec 21 to Dec 25th of 07. That's not exactly 'endless'... But the time period would be reason enough for me to have missed it. Nothing amazing about it. But moreover.., I

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2008-03-29 Thread NANCY
--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Well.as Keith pointed out, it was the 'violins' who were complaining but what do we have to say about it? We

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Floyd Baker
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:33 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: --- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Well.as Keith pointed out, it was the 'violins' who were

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread NANCY
--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? Not if they are so rude as to dance with a hat on their heads:

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Keith
Floyd, I really didn't want to get into this again, but ... Floyd, if you're ever lucky enough to dance with a fabulous woman, such as my wife for example or, if she's not available, someone like Geraldine Rojas, is that really how you'd think of the dance - you as the maestro and this

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Floyd Baker
Nancy... There you go finding fault again... g But it's my *magic* hat. I couldn't dance at all without it. And it was a show event after all... It wasn't the only hat. Just for the record... My partner's name in the vid is Sarah. A student of about 6-8 weeks at the time. She left

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-29 Thread Floyd Baker
Keith... I think you do not understand the value and worth of a Strad... The quality, craftsmanship, and complete understanding and love of music that went into creating one. How desired they are by those who know music best? The ability one has to bring forth exquisit sounds.., which

[Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Mario
Nobody should ever be under any compulsion to do something that he or she doesn't want to do. It sounds a little creepy to be restricted and instructed that I have no will, although I wasn't there, so I don't really know what that experience felt like. Well, I guess that my original post didn't

[Tango-L] Tango-L]  Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Crrtango
sopelote wrote: Well, I guess that my original post didn't explain the setting enough.   The woman was a friend who had never danced tango. We were listening   to non-tango ballads but danceable as a slow tango. I offered to give her   an experience of the dance. ..by dancing to non-tango music?

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Astrid
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always been taught, as a follower and leader, that both parties have to feel comfortable in the embrace. This means that, if I am leading a partner I do not know, I might ask if close embrace is comfortable, Ugh, and what

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Floyd Baker
You were very clear Mario... On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Nobody should ever be under any compulsion to do something that he or she doesn't want to do. It sounds a little creepy to be restricted and instructed that I have no will, although I wasn't there, so I

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Chris, UK
I might ask if close embrace is comfortable, Ugh, and what is one gonna answer to that? Jeez, do you guys have to *talk* about EVERYTHING? It's what happens when people get the idea words necessarily communicate better than feel. Especially if they've learnt through words (instruction)

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Astrid
Ugh, and what is one gonna answer to that? Jeez, do you guys have to *talk* about EVERYTHING? It's what happens when people get the idea words necessarily communicate better than feel. Especially if they've learnt through words (instruction) mroe than through feel (dance). If you feel the

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Huck Kennedy
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Valerie Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I accept an invitation in the first place, the presumption is that I'm going to dance the way the man wants to dance. That's why I want to watch first and see if I'm going to be all right with that. I don't negotiate the

Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-28 Thread Floyd Baker
Another attempt. Needed to snip. Barbra... While I certainly agree with 'invitations' and all kinds of choices being offered and given to followers by their leaders.., that really would only apply to people who know how to respond and/or choose correctly.So perhaps you've missed the

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2008-03-27 Thread buffmilonguera
sorry if others have already commented - I am trying to clear out a bunch of e-mails, when I ran into this - I don't know what, if any, relationship you had with your dance partner, Mario and perhaps she was comfortable with your tango - but I know a lot of new tango dancers read this list and

[Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control

2008-03-08 Thread Mario
..Yes, for a moment, I was in Tango heaven while dancing to a romantic bolero. ..for dancing the tango to a non tango song and with a non tanguera, we begin with the Pause. I held her tight to me and waited for all of her sporatic movements to stop ..the wiggling side to side the