Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Welzl
On 5. jun. 2015, at 10.12, Mirja Kühlewind mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch wrote: Okay, just to quickly clarify. In the charter only the word service is used. We defined later on the words component and feature which are currently not reflected in the charter. The part I've cited below,

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Welzl
Sorry for sending an extra email - I just had an extra thought and think this is important to add: Below: On 5. jun. 2015, at 11.05, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 5. jun. 2015, at 10.12, Mirja Kühlewind mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch wrote: Okay, just to quickly

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Helge Backhaus
Am 04.06.2015 um 23:20 schrieb Joe Touch: On 6/3/2015 10:45 PM, Marie-Jose Montpetit wrote: In my presentation in Dallas I had suggested adding RTP (and even HTTP) because as both Mirja and Christian mention some 'applications' are requesting functionalities that are got given elsewhere.

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Welzl
On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:39, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 12:35, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 11:05, Michael Welzl

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Christian Huitema
On Friday, June 5, 2015 6:40 AM, Michael Welzl wrote: ... Just for clarification: this wasn't about whether the level of protection against bit errors as such is important or not: I think the level of protection is a less important item to cover in the first document because, given

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Tuexen
On 05 Jun 2015, at 16:03, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:39, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 12:35, Michael Tuexen

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/5/2015 5:11 AM, Helge Backhaus wrote: Am 04.06.2015 um 23:20 schrieb Joe Touch: ... There are many services built on top of HTTP, at which point HTTP is just another part of what this document calls a transport service. As a result, unless you'll be describing every possible stack

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/5/2015 4:29 AM, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: I do have the feeling that parts of what Joe wants to discuss should however be in the third doc. And therefore I think that the current first doc is not the taps flagship doc because for me a flagship doc (and we probably need to define this term

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Mohamed Oulmahdi
I agree, the discussion should be better structured ... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/5/2015 12:53 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu mailto:to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM,

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/5/2015 12:53 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu mailto:to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: I think that speaking specifically about any protocol in this document will not be in the

Re: [Taps] A proposal to throw out RTP

2015-06-05 Thread Mohamed Oulmahdi
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: On 6/3/2015 2:26 PM, Mohamed Oulmahdi wrote: I think that speaking specifically about any protocol in this document will not be in the sens of an abstract interface for the Transport layer, because abstraction means that

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Michael Welzl
On 5. jun. 2015, at 19.52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 16:03, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:39, Michael Welzl

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Anna Brunstrom
On 2015-06-05 22:17, Michael Welzl wrote: On 5. jun. 2015, at 19.52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 16:03, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no wrote: On 05 Jun 2015, at 15:52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun 2015,

Re: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-transports-04.txt

2015-06-05 Thread Marie-Jose Montpetit
I completely agree. Marie-Jose Montpetit, Ph.D. mari...@mit.edu @SocialTVMIT On Jun 6, 2015, at 12:12 AM, Anna Brunstrom anna.brunst...@kau.se wrote: On 2015-06-05 22:17, Michael Welzl wrote: On 5. jun. 2015, at 19.52, Michael Tuexen michael.tue...@lurchi.franken.de wrote: On 05 Jun