Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody,

on Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 at 03:11  Thomas Fernandez  
wrote
re Delay when creating new message

  


You'll just have to believe me.

  Then stay away, do it your own way, but stop complaining that the reforming 
of several megabytes of HTML code does take time. 
  
  What you complain about, is all of your own making. 
  
  
  Bye bye. 
  
  

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Title: Re: Delay when creating new message


Hello Lüko,

On Mon, 11 May 2020 18:51:15 +0200 GMT (11-May-20, 23:51 +0700 GMT),
Lüko Willms wrote:











While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217



Bugnore added to the second one.



  is that you, with the user name "tombkk"?



That is correct. Greetings from Bangkok.





 
  I can't see any relation to the issue reported in #1217.



I just used another angle that you, the user's view instead of the developer's.





 
  But from what you wrote there, I guess that your problem with delays creating a reply is the bad habit to copy the full correspondence with each single message which has ever been sent in this thread, unabridged with all the images etc.
 
  I consider this a very unpolite habit. Imagine you are sitting together in a conference, and each person, after delivering her or his contribution, repeats all those contributions which the others have made before, including all the grammatical errors and eh and ahm and what have you.



It does not matter what you think, you have an IT view and I am in the service industry. We have to quote the whole email thread and add our reply at the top. If someone starts to cut something out, you will immediately be accused of trying to hide something: "Why did you cut my instruction of 2 February?". Difference industries have different norms. You'll just have to believe me.





  One should only copy what is needed to understand which part of the received message one is replying to.
 
  Then you will have no delays before you can start writing.



I know it wouldn't cause a delay if I worked your way. However, the software is there to support the work and not the other way around. Besides, TB is the only MUA I know with this problem.

Coming back to your remark that this problem is not related to your bug, let's discuss this when the bug is fixed. I think the problem I am describing is a result of the bug.





 

Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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This time, when I hit 'enter' in order to reply inline, your text is split, Yester, that was not the case and I was still within the box. I wonder why the editor behaves sometimes this way, sometimes another way.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody,

on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 16:24  Thomas Fernandez  wrote
re Delay when creating new message

  


While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by 
TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217

Bugnore added to the second one.

  is that you, with the user name "tombkk"? 
  
  I can't see any relation to the issue reported in #1217. 
  
  But from what you wrote there, I guess that your problem with delays creating 
a reply is the bad habit to copy the full correspondence with each single 
message which has ever been sent in this thread, unabridged with all the images 
etc. 
  
  I consider this a very unpolite habit. Imagine you are sitting together in a 
conference, and each person, after delivering her or his contribution, repeats 
all those contributions which the others have made before, including all the 
grammatical errors and eh and ahm and what have you. 
  
  One should only copy what is needed to understand which part of the received 
message one is replying to. 
  
  Then you will have no delays before you can start writing. 
  

Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD  amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB 
'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Title: Re: Delay when creating new message


Hello Lüko,

On Mon, 11 May 2020 14:02:49 +0200 GMT (11-May-20, 19:02 +0700 GMT),
Lüko Willms wrote:





Hello everybody,

on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 11:57  Andrew Savchenko  wrote
re Delay when creating new message

> Monday, May 11, 2020, 6:55:06 PM, you wrote:

>> but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs

  I mean these items:
 
HTML viewer does not render BLOCKQUOTE  https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1216  
While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217



Bugnore added to the second one.

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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody,

on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 11:57  Andrew Savchenko  
wrote
re Delay when creating new message

> Monday, May 11, 2020, 6:55:06 PM, you wrote:

>> but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs 

  I mean these items: 
  
HTML viewer does not render BLOCKQUOTE  https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1216 
 
While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by 
TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217
  


Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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MEM: 4097 MB 
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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Title: Re: Delay when creating new message


Hello Lüko,

On Mon, 11 May 2020 11:25:06 +0200 GMT (11-May-20, 16:25 +0700 GMT),
Lüko Willms wrote:





> I do believe that there is something in the HTML code that
> caused the TB HTML editor to choke but I have not reported it because
> I cannot put my finger on it. Does not happen will all business
> partners' emails.

  Creating a HTML message is certainly slower than plain text. Especially with TheBat! not using proper quotes, but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs (shudder — one of the reasons why I do not recomment TheBat to others).



I don't know enough about HTML to confirm about these nested tables, but it doesn't sound right and may well be the reason for the editor slowing down. It uses too much CPU time and RAM when the mails get longer.

It also makes sense that it gets better again when I reply with the plaintext editor once - the tables get deleted.

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Re[2]: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Lüko,

Monday, May 11, 2020, 6:55:06 PM, you wrote:

> but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs (shudder — one
> of the reasons why I do not recomment TheBat to others). 

Yeah...

1. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum6/topic10194/
2. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/auth-forums/forum6/topic14708/
3. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/auth-forums/forum6/topic12796/
4. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/auth-forums/forum6/topic12876/

The list goes on. I suspect that after Maxim & Andrei are done with the 
new DevExpress widgets, we *might* see some improvements on this front.


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Re: Delay when creating new message

2020-05-11 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody,

on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 05:00  Thomas Fernandez  wrote
re Delay when creating new message

  

> My normal setting is to reply to HTML mails in HTML (to not offend my
> business partners by cutting out their corporate identity in all its
> glory). 

  I do reply — as in this case — only with quoting those pieces of text which 
are relevant to understand what I am replying to.  Either by marking that piece 
of text, or cutting out everything not needed; this concerns certainly images 
including company logos. 

> I do believe that there is something in the HTML code that
> caused the TB HTML editor to choke but I have not reported it because
> I cannot put my finger on it. Does not happen will all business
> partners' emails.

  Creating a HTML message is certainly slower than plain text. Especially with 
TheBat! not using proper quotes, but the Procrustean bed of creating nested 
HTML TABLEs (shudder — one of the reasons why I do not recomment TheBat to 
others). 



Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD  amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB 
'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html