The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 is now available
Hello All, The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ The major fix is that editor randomly popping back after immediate sending. :-) Here is the change list: [-] Fixed a bug of Beta/10 of editor window opening again after successful transmission of a message in a newly installed copy of The Bat! [-] (#0002251) Bug with displaying sorted columns in message list with a wrong background colour [-] (#0002237) Bug with using wrong Top/Bottom definitions in the scrollbar local menu of MicroEd/PTV There were some more cosmetic changes done. Those who use XP themes should like them, I hope ;-)) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/22 is now available
On Thursday, December 25, 2003, 21:57:21, Luga wrote: When final ? When it's ready :) -- begin .sig Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] 1. Negative expectations yield negative results. 2. Positive expectations yield negative results. -- Nonreciprocal Laws of Expectations Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Create new account a little buggy (?)
Hi folks - Merry Christmas! Was this bug reported before? - create new account - enter accountname, emailadress etc - before you 'finish' go ' back' - a new optionwindow is shown that wasn't shown before (I have a permanent connection to the net - no dial-up. maybe this is why the window wasn't shown before) then the bug: - ' back' is still available, but 'next' changed to 'finish' in all optionwindows. -- bye Thomas Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View mode problem
Hello, When I select View threads by References, all folders including all accounts becoming grouped by references. Same for View Threads by None. Is this normal? I've created different view modes, but selecting a View mode for a folder makes no change to message list. Thanks in advance -- Best regards, Zeynel Abidin ztrk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translation of Turkish The Bat! Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 is now available
Hello Stefan, Thursday, December 25, 2003, 10:59:59 PM, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ST There were some more cosmetic changes done. Those who use XP themes ST should like them, I hope ;-)) It's better now :) I've now discovered this bug. If I try to close The Bat! while PGP (8.0.2) asking for a passphrase, The Bat! causes an access violation. -- Best regards, Zeynel Abidin Öztürkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translation of Turkish The Bat! Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/21 is now available
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 17:20, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/21 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ [*] Reworked POP module I've not yet had a chance to use this, or subsequent betas yet... it is Christmas after all. To say the least, I'm depressed. Incredibly depressed to see that RitLabs is now pulling apart the POP3 portion the TB, the part that seemed to me to be working pretty well, with very few issues... while IMAP is still flaky at best. Yet, they decided to rework POP3 to break that (to be honest, based on the postings, right now I'm glad I use IMAP)... at this rate, the client is going to be very broken before anything is truly fixed :( -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new account a little buggy (?)
On Thu, 2003-12-25 at 15:24, Thomas Lieblang wrote: Hi folks - Merry Christmas! Was this bug reported before? - create new account - enter accountname, emailadress etc - before you 'finish' go ' back' - a new optionwindow is shown that wasn't shown before (I have a permanent connection to the net - no dial-up. maybe this is why the window wasn't shown before) then the bug: - ' back' is still available, but 'next' changed to 'finish' in all optionwindows. I vaguly remember mentioning it a while ago, but never posted a bug report for it as nobody confirmed it... I guess this is the confirmation, I guess we should post a bug report now then. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
POP3 non-collection
Hi TB Beta list members, I've seen reports of POP3 stalling at 100%. I'm seeing something else / worse. Once in a while, a mail check fails to start. It fails to start catastrophically. I don't know why - maybe there's a collision in the LAN here (they happen - I should fix it, but I have more pressing things to do - a builder's house and all that), maybe the server stutters (it's a bit under-powered for what it needs to do).. whatever. One way or another, something goes wrong during the initial connect phase prior to message collection. Having stalled at this point, that's it for that account. There's no timeout. There's no recovery. There's no abort. Nothing will make that task recover other than a task manager enforced eviction. Often I don't even notice that the account has been locked out until two hours later. Or more. The connection centre shows the account trying to connect still. If I abort or delete the task, the connection centre clears the task from view but clearly it is still open in there somewhere; the connection centre remains open and TB refuses to exit. I'm set up to leave mail on the server for 1 day. I don't know if that's relevant. Whether or not this issue can be reproduced or fixed I don't know. What is clear to me is that I need a more orderly way to leave TB when there are unfinished tasks. I need an extra option of Ignore and exit anyway for any time something goes wrong in the comms. There should also be timeout protection on all phases of a communications session, so the locked out issue shouldn't arise. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP, Folder Maintenance, and Purge/Compress folders
Hi, After something Allie said to me today, I decided to take a little exploring of the IMAP handling in the latest releases/betas. Folder maintenance doesn't do exactly what it says it's doing in regards to IMAP. It seems to only be cleaning up the local cached emails, and not the server. I deduced this as follows: 1. Ran folder maintenance on my whole mail base. It reports it saved X bytes of space. 2. Closed TB, started it up using /IMAPTRACE 3. Selected one folder I know I'd deleted multiple emails from 4. Selected Folder, Purge+Compress 5. Checked /IMAPTRACE log files... and I see this: C: S00196 EXPUNGE S: * 1 EXPUNGE S: * 11 EXPUNGE S: * 15 EXPUNGE S: * 20 EXPUNGE S: * 20 EXPUNGE S: * 20 EXPUNGE S: * 25 EXPUNGE S: * 26 EXPUNGE S: * 25 EXISTS S: * 0 RECENT S: S00196 OK EXPUNGE completed Hang on... how could it expunge that many emails, when I ran folder maintenance, and it said it'd already done that for me? 6. Deleted an email 7. Ran folder maintenance right after again (selecting the compress, and purge options in case that wasn't clear) C: W00205 UID COPY 32 INBOX.Trash S: W00205 OK [COPYUID 1036787960 32 42869] COPY completed. C: O00206 STATUS INBOX.Trash (UNSEEN RECENT MESSAGES UIDVALIDITY UIDNEXT) C: V00207 UID STORE 32 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Seen \Deleted) S: * STATUS INBOX.Trash (MESSAGES 206 RECENT 0 UIDNEXT 42870 UIDVALIDITY 1036787960 UNSEEN 1) S: O00206 OK STATUS Completed. C: O00208 STATUS INBOX.Undernet.Help (UNSEEN RECENT MESSAGES UIDVALIDITY UIDNEXT) S: V00207 OK STORE completed. S: * STATUS INBOX.Undernet.Help (MESSAGES 25 RECENT 0 UIDNEXT 34 UIDVALIDITY 1041480648 UNSEEN 0) S: O00208 OK STATUS Completed. C: A00209 NOOP S: A00209 OK NOOP completed C: C00210 LOGOUT C: C00211 LOGOUT S: * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down Well... there's two issues here, it sets the \Seen status on the email BEFORE it moves it, so if it was \UnSeen, then it'll appear in the trash that way, irregardless of the option Mark deleted messages as read (this behaviour differs from POP3 folders). Well I had left it a good 2 mins after the folder maintenance window said it was done before I closed TB. Yet no expunge details... hrm... bug? This might also be why TB keeps seeing old mail when I delete some other stuff, because it refetches the deleted mails. Anybody able to confirm this kind of behaviour? -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Only XT users know that January 1, 1980 was a Tuesday. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new account a little buggy (?)
Hello Thomas Lieblang, on Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:24:23 +0100 (2003-12-25 22:24:23 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [TL] wrote (at least in part): TL - create new account TL - enter accountname, emailadress etc TL - before you 'finish' go ' back' TL - a new optionwindow is shown that wasn't shown before TL (I have a permanent connection to the net - no dial-up. TL maybe this is why the window wasn't shown before) Info: the window gives you the option to select a dial-up or LAN connection. I also have a permanent connection. Following your logic, about those who (only) have a dial-up connection, why should it pop-up for them, what's to choose from? My logic: one could have a LAN (no permanent internet connection) with email server and clients connecting to it, hence choose a LAN connection for that account. Additionally, one could have an account which uses a dial-up connection (either IP mandatory or no direct conection), hence choose dial-up connection. Conclusion: this window should always be displayed, or TB must be smart enough to find out by itself. So either always show it or get rid of it. TL then the bug: TL - ' back' is still available, but 'next' changed to 'finish' in all TL optionwindows. Confirmed here. -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.03 Beta/24 An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 is now available
jueves, 25 dic 2003 at 21:59, it seems you wrote: Well, I see on some 2.03 betas a new option for change the colors of the headers panel. It has these bugs from the first version it appear. This options are on Preferences / Header Layout Select Viewer on the Header Pane in combobox Field name text changes the text color in the fields name and the fields value. Field name background changes the background color in the fields name and the fields value. Field Separator don't appear on the Viewer Header Pane. -- /\/ / \ / \ / /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/24 on Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 1) Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP, Folder Maintenance, and Purge/Compress folders
On Thursday, December 25, 2003, Jonathan Angliss wrote... Well... there's two issues here, it sets the \Seen status on the email BEFORE it moves it, so if it was \UnSeen, then it'll appear in the trash that way, irregardless of the option Mark deleted messages as read (this behaviour differs from POP3 folders). http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002253 Reported this inconsistency as above. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 non-collection
Thursday, 12/25/2003, 4:28 PM Hi Marck, On Thu, 25 Dec 2003, at 23:42:03 [GMT +] (which was 3:42 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'POP3 non-collection' MDP Whether or not this issue can be reproduced or fixed I don't know. MDP What is clear to me is that I need a more orderly way to leave TB MDP when there are unfinished tasks. I need an extra option of Ignore MDP and exit anyway for any time something goes wrong in the comms. I have been seeing the exact same thing. It happens at least once a day, not always the same account. Aborting looks like it works but you can't do a normal shutdown other than Task Manager. If you don't do a restart of TB, you will receive no mails even though the connection center appears to function properly. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul When there's a will, I want to be in it. Powered by The Bat! v2.03 Beta/24 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 non-collection
On Thursday, December 25, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... I've seen reports of POP3 stalling at 100%. I'm seeing something else / worse. Once in a while, a mail check fails to start. It fails to start catastrophically. I don't know why - maybe there's a collision in the LAN here The TCP/IP protocol is designed to handle things like this... if it's being caused by collisions, then TB has bigger issues. (they happen - I should fix it, but I have more pressing things to do - a builder's house and all that), maybe the server stutters (it's a bit under-powered for what it needs to do).. whatever. One way or another, something goes wrong during the initial connect phase prior to message collection. Even a server stutter really shouldn't cause any issues... the client should be able to handle it... if the server reports and error, the client should be able to report the error, and retry later, not hang itself indefinitely. Wasn't there a new timeout option added recently? I thought I saw mention of it, and vaguely remember seeing it too, but I cannot find it now... if you still have it (or it even exists), what is yours set to? Having stalled at this point, that's it for that account. There's no timeout. There's no recovery. There's no abort. Nothing will make that task recover other than a task manager enforced eviction. Often I don't even notice that the account has been locked out until two hours later. Or more. The connection centre shows the account trying to connect still. If I abort or delete the task, the connection centre clears the task from view but clearly it is still open in there somewhere; the connection centre remains open and TB refuses to exit. Can you pinpoint things going on? Like mail accounts checking at the same time? Is there anything in your server logs? Do you even see that failed connection attempt? Have you considered running ethereal (http://www.ethereal.com/) to watch POP3 connections and see if anything pops up (pun not intended)? Ethereal will be useless if you do POP3 over SSL ;) There should also be timeout protection on all phases of a communications session, so the locked out issue shouldn't arise. I could have swore one was put in. But you have to be really careful when doing this kind of thing.. especially when it comes to networks and proxy services. The company I used to work for had Wingate as a proxy server (that was before I got my hands on it)... one person used to get huge mails (around 100MB) all the time, but Outlook would timeout because the wingate proxy was handling conversations with the server, while not talking back to the client... then once the connection between wingate and the server was done, the whole bunch was then dumped to the client (an interesting way of doing things I must say). But I do agree that one should be put on the connection side of things, or the login phases, and exit phases. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for cash and valuable prizes. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Show the scrollbar, or not show the scrollbar.
When we are looking a message or writing a new one, if we click with the mouse elsewhere the cursor will be positioned there, even if we exceeded the end of line. If we click on the right of the window it will move to the same direcction, but the left-right scrollbar won't appear. We could made the same clicking and dragging to the left without releasing the left button of the mouse. On some betas of 2.x trunk we have problems with scrollbars and sometimes there are correctly hidden. -- /\/ / \ / \ / /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/24 on Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 1) Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
