Re: 5.0.6
sábado, 2 abr 2011 at 16:09, it seems you wrote: please consider to postpone Hints and folder templates to next minor release, this is really far to be finished, folder templates are not well designed and there are many problems which can not be resolved soon. I am not sure how many translators started translating them, while they are not prepared enough. Folder templates ??? What are they ?? I have the spanish translation at 100% now, and I don't remember nothing about folder templates. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.8 Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.4 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.8 (was Re: [RC4] Emoticons)
Hello, I repky to myself, but: Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 20:46:04, Francis wrote : FD Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 20:12:38, George wrote : GMM It happens all the time and till now I haven't be able to GMM pinpoint when emoticons stop working. FD +1 FD https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8204 has never been fixed. Still not fixed. It's annoying: the emoticons are in your advertising Smiles are small graphical images used to express feelings and emotions when words fail. Every smiley possesses its own text code which turns into a picture when the message is viewed. http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/diff.php -- Regards, Francis mailto:fran...@dhumes.fr French translator of TB! and ASS Message handmade on TB! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 7601 AntispamSniper for TB! 3.2.6.4 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cosmetic issue (Re: 5.0.8 release)
Hello, Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 01:29:20, Maxim wrote : M What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? Just a little cosmetic consideration: the about box looks like a postal letter (by air mail), but this window it too narrow anf too high to really look like a letter. It would be nicer if this window was at the 16x9 format. It's really very, very not important at all. :-) (BTW: the smileys are not back, this is very annoying, they are in the advertising of the product) -- Regards, Francis mailto:fran...@dhumes.fr French translator of TB! and ASS Message handmade on TB! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 7601 AntispamSniper for TB! 3.2.6.4 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0.6
Hello all, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, NetVicious wrote: please consider to postpone Hints and folder templates to next minor release, this is really far to be finished, folder templates are not well designed and there are many problems which can not be resolved soon. I am not sure how many translators started translating them, while they are not prepared enough. Folder templates ??? What are they ?? I have the spanish translation at 100% now, and I don't remember nothing about folder templates. I mean templates in HTML used for Hints, which are displayed in folders, accounts, messages etc. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[v5] HTML Message Example No 3
This is a forwarded message From: t r u t h o u t messen...@truthout.org To: dhaa...@gmail.com dhaa...@gmail.com Date: Mittwoch, 6. April 2011, 04:28:01 Subject: William Rivers Pitt | The Nowhere Man Hello Maxim, here's another one coming up correct - text justified left, it also uses another font [serif, while TB show sans-serif] - in Opera but wrong in TB. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.6.1 BETA on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. [Samuel Johnson]---BeginMessage--- t r u t h o u t | 04.05 William Rivers Pitt | The Nowhere Man http://www.truth-out.org/nowhere-man William Rivers Pitt, Truthout: So, yeah, Obama is in. The President of the United States officially threw his hat into the 2012 election ring on Monday morning, and the nation reacted with a resounding, 'Oh.' What a mess. It wasn't even two and a half years ago. Can you believe it? Two and a half years ago, there was a detonation of optimism that echoed across the country once the returns were in on that November night. People took to the streets here in Boston, literally banging pots and pans together as they danced and shouted in celebration ... Hindsight, however, tells us today that much of that optimism was wildly misplaced. The long shadow of George W. Bush still hung low and dark over the land, as it does even now. Thom Hartmann | The Boston Tea Party Revealed http://www.truth-out.org/boston-tea-party-revealed/1301986800 Thom Hartmann, Berrett-Koehler Publishers: The East India Company set a precedent that multinational corporations follow to this day: it lobbied for laws that would enable it to easily put its small-business competitors out of business. By 1681 most of the members of the British government and royalty were stockholders in the East India Company, so it was easy that year to pass 'An Act for the restraining and punishing Privateers and Pirates.' This law required a license to import anything into the Americas (among other British-controlled parts of the world), and the licenses were only rarely granted except to the East India Company and other large British corporations. Henry A. Giroux | American Militarism and the End(s) of Higher Education http://www.truth-out.org/american-militarism-and-ends-higher-education Henry A. Giroux, Truthout: As the spirit of a hypermilitarized America bleeds into everyday life, politics increasingly becomes an extension of war, and right-wing, liberal and conservative politicians eagerly embrace a militaristic approach to policy and the need to cleanse the social order of any institution, mode of dissent, social group and public sphere willing to question its state of permanent war and its militarized and unchecked embrace of economic Darwinism. These foreign and domestic wars are not unrelated, given that they are waged in the interests of right-wing militarists, neoconservatives, liberals and corporate moguls - all of whom have a political and economic stake in such military incursions abroad and wars at home. News in Brief: Ivory Coast President May Surrender, and More ... http://www.truth-out.org/news-brief-ivory-coast-president-may-surrender-and-more Nadia Prupis, Truthout: Ivory Coast president may surrender power; 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be tried at Guantanamo; Ryan's budget bill would make drastic cuts to Medicare and Medicaid while lowering tax rates for businesses and corporations; and more ... Robert Naiman | Conyers: Congress Should Bar US Ground Troops From Libya http://www.truth-out.org/conyers-congress-should-bar-us-ground-troops-libya/1301986800 Robert Naiman, Truthout: Michigan Rep. John Conyers has put forward an initiative that has a very strong claim to majority support. Conyers plans to introduce an amendment to the next government funding bill - the Continuing Resolution - that would prevent appropriated funds from being used to fund any type of ground troop presence on Libyan territory. Together with Representatives Honda, Stark, and Woolsey, Representative Conyers is circulating a letter to his colleagues in support of this amendment. This position has strong majority support from Americans. Seven out of ten Americans oppose the use of US ground troops in Libya, according to a CNN poll. A recent Quinnipiac University poll found that by a margin of 61-30, voters say regime change in Libya is not worth having American troops 'fight and possibly die' for. Republicans' Budget Declares War on Medicare http://www.truth-out.org/republicans-budget-declares-war-medicare/1301986800 Lindsay Beyerstein, The Media Consortium: The Republicans are poised to unveil a model budget on Tuesday that would effectively end Medicare by privatizing it, Steve Benen reports in the Washington Monthly. House Budget Committee Chair Paul Ryan (R-WI) is touting the budget as a strategy to reduce the
Re: wrong time zone offset fix
Hi Maxim, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011, at 20:01:47 [GMT +0300] (which was 19:01 where I live) you wrote about: 'wrong time zone offset fix' [-] The Bat! version 5 did incorrectly displayed message time (there were an incorrect time zone diff applied) created/received by v4 and before (BETA ISSUE). Please do not rollback from v5 to v4 since in this case messages will be again with time incorrectly offset by time zone diff. Does this also fix the issue that when I import messages with daylight saving on a different creation time is shown that when I import the messages with daylight saving off ? For example I import with Daylight Saving off, and Created shows 16:00 Daylight saving is enabled and Created still shows 16:00 I import the same message again In the new message Created is shown as 17:00 -- Robert van der Hulst t...@heliks.nl Using The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7.6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Dear Max, @6-Apr-2011, 02:29 +0300 (06-Apr 00:29 here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:88942.20110406022...@ritlabs.com said: MM What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8460 is marked as fixed, resolved and closed, but I still have a problem here. Manual filter application in an IMAP account results in the wrong URL for the filtered message being written to the log. This means that the bug is effectively not fixed. The URL in the account log following a manual filter of messages in an IMAP Inbox show that the message was filter but states the URL as account Inbox instead of the folder the message now lives in. This means that the URL still does not work. Can anyone confirm using an IMAP account and manual filtering? Does this need a new BugTraq entry? -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpYB87LgfEgq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 1:29:20, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [*] HTML hints are now disabled by default (BETA issue) I really don't see any difference regarding the hints - I can still get my mouse over them (which causes them to eat mouse events), and I still get a small white hint when my mouse is over the message list. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] The more ridiculous a belief system, the higher the probability of its success. -- Bartz's Law of Hokey Horsepuckery Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Hello Marck, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8460 is marked as fixed, resolved and closed, but I still have a problem here. Yes, I changed status to resolved. I thought about that, too; the reason why I closed it was that the entry describes URLs as not being clickable in account log. Now they are. For POP3-accounts everything is fine now, even if the log contains filter results. The fact that URLs coming up with a filter result don't work in an IMAP-account is from my POV either an IMAP-problem or a filter-problem or a combination of both. As far as I correctly interpret your mails in the other thread, the URLS would actually work if they pointed to the correct folder. Manual filter application in an IMAP account results in the wrong URL for the filtered message being written to the log. This means that the bug is effectively not fixed. The URL in the account log following a manual filter of messages in an IMAP Inbox show that the message was filter but states the URL as account Inbox instead of the folder the message now lives in. This means that the URL still does not work. Can anyone confirm using an IMAP account and manual filtering? Does this need a new BugTraq entry? I think a new BT-entry is justified since it is more an IMAP-filtering-issue rather than a URL-recognition-and-handling issue. Best regards, mse -- Using The Bat! v5.0.8 Operating system: Windows XP 5.1.2600 with Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8460 is marked as fixed, resolved and closed, but I still have a problem here. Manual filter application in an IMAP account results in the wrong URL for the filtered message being written to the log. This means that the bug is effectively not fixed. The URL in the account log following a manual filter of messages in an IMAP Inbox show that the message was filter but states the URL as account Inbox instead of the folder the message now lives in. This means that the URL still does not work. Can anyone confirm using an IMAP account and manual filtering? Does this need a new BugTraq entry? Confirmed for IMAP and manual filtering. No new BT is needed but https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8460 needs to be reopened. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.6.1 BETA Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Outstanding Issues
Hello Maxim, Rather than tack this to every release where these faults are not addressed, I thought I'd start a new thread. I can see that a lot of effort is going into HTML messages, translations, hints and other cosmetic changes but the really serious problems remain. I know everyone has their pet features that they need but surely one of the main selling points of TB is the handling of large amounts of mail using filters and virtual folders neither of which work reliably. 1) Virtual folders do not update and the counters are wrong. 2) Filtering does not work consistently. The results are not logged for automatic filtering. 3) Test filters filter the whole folder rather than just the selected message. 4) Common filters do not work (because I can't get past the exception: Sizes differ!!) but they may work. Of course, nothing can be reliable when there are so many exceptions. When an exception is thrown, whatever is being done is normally terminated and this could account for a multitude of symptoms. Please tackle the exceptions and then many of the other reported problems may just disappear. -- Best regards, Tony mailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.6.1 BETA Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Dear Tony, @6-Apr-2011, 10:17 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:925837383.20110406101...@parkinch.co.uk said to Marck: ... snip Can anyone confirm using an IMAP account and manual filtering? Does this need a new BugTraq entry? TH Confirmed for IMAP and manual filtering. No new BT is needed but TH https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8460 needs to be reopened. Since mse has deemed the actual issue in that BT entry (non-working links in the account log) as fixed, I have created a new entry for this specific variant of the issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8574 -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpE4XAxjTzTG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 5.0.8 message caching in IMAP folders - still not fixed
Title: TB 5.0.8 message caching in IMAP folders - still not fixed Hi, I still have the same problem with caching messages in folders: - opening new message appear "no message is loaded" and I have to close and reopen it again to view message, cached messages opens ok and new messages moved automatically by filter to another folder opens ok too. (v. 5.0.0.153 - last version working good.) - moving attachment icon from message window to desktop, appear question: "Do you wish to download the message with attachment now?" after yes the process does not reach the end. After closing and reopening message window attachment start to be useful. If I use other method to save locally attachment "save as..." instead of moving icon - working good. - clear messages cache on exit doesn't work - only manual button can clear the cache. anyone can confirm? Windows 7 x64 PRO SP1 ML Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outstanding Issues
Hello Tony, (BTW: I'm pretty sure you meant to say pending instead, since outstanding means terrific? ;-) ) 1) Virtual folders do not update and the counters are wrong. Here, they do - sort of: 1) created a virtual folder (side note: The new virtual folder has no folders selected in its watch list, even though a folder had been selected when new had been chosen. It should already have this folder checked.) 2) new virtual folder showed the same message count as the parent folder, filter settings were not being applied 3) closed and restarted TheBat 4) the new folder now showed zero message count 5) When a individual message in the parent folder was selected (and thereby IMAP-downloaded), the count in the virtual folder also increased by one This happened even though the filter condition was header contains. The header should have been fetched for every message in the parent folder already, regardless of sync status for the complete message, right? Ah, and by the way - when selecting refilter, there are occasional runtime errors before the filter incoming/outgoing/new/whatever msg dialog opens. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0.8 release
Hello all, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Marck Pearlstone wrote: Since mse has deemed the actual issue in that BT entry (non-working links in the account log) as fixed, this is correct, it is a different issue. I have created a new entry for this specific variant of the issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8574 confirmed, link contains original folder path instead destination one. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.0.8 message caching in IMAP folders - still not fixed
Title: Re: TB 5.0.8 message caching in IMAP folders - still not fixed Hi Michal, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 6:24:59 AM, you wrote: Hi, I still have the same problem with caching messages in folders: - opening new message appear "no message is loaded" and I have to close and reopen it again to view message, cached messages opens ok and new messages moved automatically by filter to another folder opens ok too. (v. 5.0.0.153 - last version working good.) - moving attachment icon from message window to desktop, appear question: "Do you wish to download the message with attachment now?" after yes the process does not reach the end. After closing and reopening message window attachment start to be useful. If I use other method to save locally attachment "save as..." instead of moving icon - working good. - clear messages cache on exit doesn't work - only manual button can clear the cache. anyone can confirm? Windows 7 x64 PRO SP1 ML I cannot confirm. I have Windows 7 x64 Professional SP1 (English) and everything works for me. Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing favorites -- again
Once again, a TB upgrade has made a useful feature disappear: The drop-list for the new message button has once again reverted to showing nothing but the Quick Templates choice -- all of my favorites are missing. BUT, all of those favorites are still marked in the address book. Also, is there a way to change the hideously ugly tool- tip font being used (you can see it behind the drop-list in the attached image)? If not, can I at least set the size smaller so that they don't look like something made by an amateur Visual Basic programmer? If the attached image is missing or doesn't work, it may also be seen at http://www.svalli.com/files/batbug.png -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zanaattachment: batbug.png Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
DoCiphersSelfTest failure?
I tried running thebat /AES_BENCHMARK on my machine and was told my CPU doesn't have the new instructions. I expected that, but after I pressed OK in that dialog, I was presented with the attached message, which doesn't seem like a good thing. Is it normal? If the attachment is missing/broken, the image is also available at http://www.svalli.com/files/baterr.png -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zanaattachment: baterr.png Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi all, I host my own mail server (Courier). Being the cheapskate that I am, I use a self signed certificate for TLS/SSL connections. I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. I have had different scenarios in different versions. This is the current 5.0.8 behaviour: if I set the "Secure to dedicated port" option in the Account dialog then every TLS/SSL connection (IMAP or SSL) complains about the self signed certificate. Is there anywhere I can register my certificate to avoid these errors? Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Hello Tbbeta, It looks like TB5 has just been released. This is going to add great pressure to the dev team because we here know what the problem are. I just hope that it doesn't kill off TB completely because a large number of users will just walk away when so much does not work properly. How many AVs will the average user tolerate? I have the full text of the release message if anyone is not on the mailing list -- Best regards, Tony mailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.6.1 BETA Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello, Search for VeriSign, Thawte, Comodo. -- Vilius From: tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com [mailto:tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com] On Behalf Of Simon Martin Sent: 2011 m. balandžio 6 d. 16:05 To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Subject: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi all, I host my own mail server (Courier). Being the cheapskate that I am, I use a self signed certificate for TLS/SSL connections. I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. I have had different scenarios in different versions. This is the current 5.0.8 behaviour: if I set the Secure to dedicated port option in the Account dialog then every TLS/SSL connection (IMAP or SSL) complains about the self signed certificate. Is there anywhere I can register my certificate to avoid these errors? Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto: smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Tony, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:23:10 AM, you wrote: TH I have the full text of the release message if anyone is not on the TH mailing list I think it is also available at http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=3370 at least, the page matches the email I saw. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing favorites -- again
Oh, the last time this happened, someone here told me what magic file to delete and the list was back. It seems that this kind of thing should be documented /somewhere/ and perhaps even built in to the program as a repair system that can restore various parts of TB back to the factory settings on demand. Also, the list was working find with TB 4.2.42, which I was running prior to the upgrade. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 15:04:30, Simon Martin wrote: I host my own mail server (Courier). Being the cheapskate that I am, I use a self signed certificate for TLS/SSL connections. I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. http://www.startssl.com/ offers free SSL certificates, which are supported by most browsers (TB's internal SSL implementation doesn't have their root certificate, but if you switch to CryptoAPI, it'll be known). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Them what gets -- has. -- Wakefield's Refutation of the Iron Law of Distribution Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi Vilius Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:32:27 AM, you wrote: Hello, Search for VeriSign, Thawte, Comodo. Yes this is an option, however all the other e-mail clients I have tried (Windows Live Mail included) allow me to accept and store the certificate and then stop complaining. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Simon, I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. Is there a reason for that? Is there anywhere I can register my certificate to avoid these errors? If you used the standard Windows mechanism, all you have to do is import the root-certificate (the one that had been used to create the mail server certificate) into the client trusted root storage. From then on, the client will trust the certificate and TheBat will no longer complain. I suppose the same is possible with TheBat's internal storage, too, but why would you want to keep two seperate certificate stores when one is doing perfectly fine? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? used on exchange via imap: sent message stays in outbox as not sent and saved. -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysztof Kudłacik Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Hi Maxim, up and running. I'm using IMAP with my main account and a somehow unusual setup: All mails I get on several email addresses (business, private etc pp...) are routed to this main account. Also several mails are sorted into folders on the mail server. I read mails with my smartphone and via webmailer and from time to time I empty the account by downloading the mails to my local mail client (TheBat). As I use subfolders I download the mails by filter (move) the mails into local folders of my several local mail accounts. This did work sometimes with 4.x, and works a lot better in 5.x, but not perfect. For example: I click on receive mails for the IMAP account. TheBat connects to the server and checks all folders. After that, the filters start working and move mails to my local accounts. But just _some_ folders. E.g. the folder where the TheBat mailing list mails are stored is untouched. I see the mails after TheBat checked the folder, but the mails stay there until I do a manual refilter. Then the mails are moved to my local folders. I cannot see _any_ difference between the different filters here. Can somebody confirm? -- Regards, Martin The Bat! v5.0.8 powered by Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hello Vilius, how is that supposed to be helping the original poster? I believe he was asking for a possibility to explicitly mark a certificate as trustedlocally. To my knowledge Thawte alia can only issue him an official one, which is not really what he was aiming for. I would join the request for the possibility to store an exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for example) in Firefox...having had the same problem in the past. The insistence of TheBat! in keeping complaining about the certificate at each and every connection is quite annoying. Best regards -- Viktor Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 2:32:27 PM, you wrote: Hello, Search for VeriSign, Thawte, Comodo. -- Vilius From:tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com [mailto:tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com]On Behalf OfSimon Martin Sent:2011 m. balandžio 6 d. 16:05 To:tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Subject:TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi all, I host my own mail server (Courier). Being the cheapskate that I am, I use a self signed certificate for TLS/SSL connections. I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. I have had different scenarios in different versions. This is the current 5.0.8 behaviour: if I set the "Secure to dedicated port" option in the Account dialog then every TLS/SSL connection (IMAP or SSL) complains about the self signed certificate. Is there anywhere I can register my certificate to avoid these errors? Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes --- Freehosting PIPNI -http://www.pipni.cz/ Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Please do not use HTML for simple email messages, it is hard to reply inline, and mods are complaining about top posting. What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate anyway? It ads zero security. This was discussed on this list extensively multiple times, and if you really really really know what you are doing, just add root CA to trusted CAs. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: wrong time zone offset fix
Hello Robert, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:26:51 +0200 GMT (06/Apr/11, 15:26 PM +0700 GMT), Robert van der Hulst wrote: RvdH Does this also fix the issue that when I import messages with daylight saving on RvdH a different creation time is shown that when I import the messages with daylight RvdH saving off ? RvdH For example RvdH I import with Daylight Saving off, and Created shows 16:00 GMT+1 RvdH Daylight saving is enabled and Created still shows 16:00 Does it say GMT+1 or +2? RvdH I import the same message again RvdH In the new message Created is shown as 17:00 GMT+2, which is 16:00 GMT+1, so this is correct. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hi Vilius, What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate anyway? It's a required function. End of story. It's as simple as that. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
how is that supposed to be helping the original poster? I believe he was asking for a possibility to explicitly mark a certificate as trusted locally. To my knowledge Thawte alia can only issue him an official one, which is not really what he was aiming for. I don't know that. He stated that he wanted to register the certificate hence my suggestion. I would join the request for the possibility to store an exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for example) in Firefox...having had the same problem in the past. The insistence of TheBat! in keeping complaining about the certificate at each and every connection is quite annoying. And I would join opposing side, that it would make The Bat! for average user less safe. It annoys you for are reason. Self Signed certificates have nothing to do with security and should not be used at all. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Viktor, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:41:53 +0200 GMT (06/Apr/11, 19:41 PM +0700 GMT), Viktor Kabelac wrote: VK I would join the request for the possibility to store an VK exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for VK example) in Firefox...having had the same problem in the past. The VK insistence of TheBat! in keeping complaining about the certificate VK at each and every connection is quite annoying. I second (third already?) this. My university has a self-signed certificate, and I need to accept each time I send a mail. Not a show-stopper, but slightly annoying. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Vilius, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:10:29 +0300 GMT (06/Apr/11, 21:10 PM +0700 GMT), Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate VŠ anyway? It ads zero security. You are right, it does not add security. However, it adds convenience. VŠ This was discussed on this list extensively multiple times, and if VŠ you really really really know what you are doing, just add root CA VŠ to trusted CAs. I tried that, but the result was that I could not send at all any more. As this is not a beta issue, we can continue the discussion on TBUDL. As I said in the other mail a moment ago, not really important on my side, but it would be nice not to have to click OK each time I send a mail. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Hello Tony, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 13:23:10 +0100 GMT (06/Apr/11, 19:23 PM +0700 GMT), Tony Hoare wrote: TH I have the full text of the release message if anyone is not on the TH mailing list I received this also. Anyway, may I kindly suggest that TBUDL and TBBETA be added to the announcement mailing lists. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: TLS + Self Signed Certificate)
Wow! This is becoming pandemonium! One individual has already been blocked for ignoring moderations on top posting. It is one of the rules we don't let slide because of how badly illegible threads become. Please read the moderation notice properly. Sorry, I didn't quite read the list's rules (if posted anywhere) before my very first post. I realize this is a rather flammable topic with comparable communities on both sides (me being on the side preferring to see the freshest text in the beginning of the mail instead of having to scroll to the end) ... and will just subordinate next time. Cheers -- Viktor. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office Filter(s) not working
After upgrading to 5.0.8 I've noticed that the Mark the message as read action in my sorting office filters is no longer working. The messages are correctly being sorted in different folders, but they are all showing as UNREAD, even though many of my folders should never have an unread message (most notably, my probable spam folder.) Hopefully this will be corrected quickly... Or is there some other magic file I'll need to go delete to make this feature work, too? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Hi Maxim, Thread mark as read is still not working when marking more than one thread. Reported for 5.0.4 RC/4: mid:1387099104.20110331125...@sebald.com Can anybody confirm? -- Regards, Martin The Bat! v5.0.8 powered by Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office Filter(s) not working
Hello Steven, A reminder of what Steven P Vallière typed on: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 at 10:33:35 GMT -0400 SPV After upgrading to 5.0.8 I've noticed that the SPV Mark the message as read SPV action in my sorting office filters is no longer SPV working. The messages are correctly being sorted SPV in different folders, but they are all showing as SPV UNREAD, even though many of my folders should never SPV have an unread message (most notably, my probable SPV spam folder.) Known issue. Actually it is not really consistent, but does happen. SPV Hopefully this will be corrected quickly... Agreed. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v5.0.8 On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7600 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office Filter(s) not working
After upgrading to 5.0.8 I've noticed that the Mark the message as read action in my sorting office filters is no longer working. The messages are correctly being sorted in different folders, but they are all showing as UNREAD, even though many of my folders should never have an unread message (most notably, my probable spam folder.) Hopefully this will be corrected quickly... Or is there some other magic file I'll need to go delete to make this feature work, too? I know this is the Beta forum, but since I saw this post, I felt obligated to to report that I have the same issue after upgrading to 5.0.8.However, it's intermittent. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I get about 10 messages a minute that use the same filter. Out of the 10, about 4 don't get marked as read. Weird... The messages are identical. This worked fine in 4.x. -- Best regards, Joe Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Vilius, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:10:29 +0300 GMT (06/Apr/11, 21:10 PM +0700 GMT), Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate VŠ anyway? It ads zero security. You are right, it does not add security. However, it adds convenience. Convenience? How? VŠ This was discussed on this list extensively multiple times, and if VŠ you really really really know what you are doing, just add root CA VŠ to trusted CAs. I tried that, but the result was that I could not send at all any more. As this is not a beta issue, we can continue the discussion on TBUDL. Maybe you have added certificate itself, not root CA? I'm not sure about version 5, but it worked for me when I tested it during 4.x beta cycle. If it doesn't work in version 5.0 it needs to be reported on BT and fixed of course. As I said in the other mail a moment ago, not really important on my side, but it would be nice not to have to click OK each time I send a mail. You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. That is hard to do if the server, for example, only supports SSL connections (as is common practice today) and uses self-signed certs for that - and as such just as good as advising someone, who complains that a car lets him put in diesel where unleaded is needed, to try to run his car on wood. Best regards -- Viktor. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Vilius, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:07:15 +0300 GMT (06/Apr/11, 22:07 PM +0700 GMT), Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate VŠ anyway? It ads zero security. You are right, it does not add security. However, it adds convenience. VŠ Convenience? How? Byu not having to click OK to accept the cert each time I send a message. I thought that was clear, VŠ This was discussed on this list extensively multiple times, and if VŠ you really really really know what you are doing, just add root CA VŠ to trusted CAs. I tried that, but the result was that I could not send at all any more. As this is not a beta issue, we can continue the discussion on TBUDL. VŠ Maybe you have added certificate itself, not root CA? Hm, possible. I am not an expert on certs. VŠ I'm not sure about version 5, but it worked for me when I tested VŠ it during 4.x beta cycle. If it doesn't work in version 5.0 it VŠ needs to be reported on BT and fixed of course. True, but there is still a chance it works correctly in both versions but I (the dumb user) just doesn't know what to click. As I said in the other mail a moment ago, not really important on my side, but it would be nice not to have to click OK each time I send a mail. VŠ You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. Of course. Some people told me I should use TLS for security. TB! supports it. You are saying I should ignore security? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu entry Watch replies in | New Watch replies folder does not work
[In Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2011-01-02 · 23:26 h (CET)] Moin, Marek et al.! when I try to use watching replies feature, it is somehow broken, when I open menu entry Watch replies in | New Watch replies folder in Special menu, nothing happens. reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8272 Confirmed. Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net | The /\^o^/\! [Pro] 5.0.8 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium [Build 7601 – Service Pack 1] Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! »Smart alecks always want to have the last word.« – Mike M. Skura Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sound are missing in The Bat! 5.0.8
Hello, I am use The Bat! 5.0.8 with windows 7 ultimate. Since I upgraded to The Bat! 5.0.8 the sounds for received messages are missing. If I am pressing the button 'test now' in the account properties the sounds are playing. Can anybody confirm that? I am sorry for my english that is not the best - I now. :) Greetings, Ali -- Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
VŠ What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate VŠ anyway? It ads zero security. You are right, it does not add security. However, it adds convenience. VŠ Convenience? How? Byu not having to click OK to accept the cert each time I send a message. I thought that was clear, I ment that self signed certificate adds zero security. I were not talking about the possibility to add such certificates into exception list. The conclusion is that if you care about security you should be using properly signed certificates. And if you are using self-signed certs you doesn't really care about security and should be prepared for inconveniences that are DESIGNED to annoy ordinary users which doesn't care about security either. Be it clicking OK on every connection or finding a way through different CryptoAPI/PKI dialogs to import root CA. Or to switch to normal plaintext method. As I said in the other mail a moment ago, not really important on my side, but it would be nice not to have to click OK each time I send a mail. VŠ You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. Of course. Some people told me I should use TLS for security. TB! supports it. You are saying I should ignore security? TLS is secure only when used precisly as it was designed to be used. Man-in-the-middle attacks and non revoking certificates doesn't have much corellation with TLS or with security at all. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. That is hard to do if the server, for example, only supports SSL connections (as is common practice today) and uses self-signed certs for that - and as such just as good as advising someone, who complains that a car lets him put in diesel where unleaded is needed, to try to run his car on wood. I'm not sure why you think this is a common practice. Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. -- Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Vilius, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:54:50 +0300 GMT (06/Apr/11, 22:54 PM +0700 GMT), Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ What's the point to accept and store self-signed certificate VŠ anyway? It ads zero security. You are right, it does not add security. However, it adds convenience. VŠ Convenience? How? Byu not having to click OK to accept the cert each time I send a message. I thought that was clear, VŠ I ment that self signed certificate adds zero security. Tell that to my university! VŠ I were not talking about the possibility to add such certificates VŠ into exception list. The conclusion is that if you care about VŠ security you should be using properly signed certificates. And if VŠ you are using self-signed certs you doesn't really care about VŠ security and should be prepared for inconveniences that are VŠ DESIGNED to annoy ordinary users which doesn't care about security VŠ either. Whatever. I just want to send my messages without having to click OK each time. Remember, I'm the user and not the one who decided on the policy. Can we continue this discussion on TBUDL please, as it is not a beta issue and not really relevant to the new release? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sound are missing in The Bat! 5.0.8
Hello Ali! On Wednesday, April 6, 2011 at 5:34:05 PM you wrote: Can anybody confirm that? Partially. I reported some time back that TB sometimes does not play the incoming mail sound[s] but couldn't find any pattern to it. -- Dierk Haasis [DH² Publishing] The Bat 5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info upon request A critic that isn't engaged in society serves no useful purpose other than to judge technical competence. [Mark McFadden] Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
I'm not sure why you think this is a common practice. Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger Only SSL only was meant to be common practice - not the self-signed certificates. Did I express myself this unclearly? companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. Proper certificates usually cost money, which is a costly good. Apart of that, there are not many other reasonable reasons for using self-signed one, but that's not the point. I really do not think a program should be the neighborhood watch officer for what its users decide to do. Every program that lets me store an exception for a certificate also warns me that it may not be a good idea and urges me to think twice. That's reasonable fine so. But they let me do it - as opposed to not even mentioning that possibility for my own good (which is a very tempting, but rotten, position to assume, in my opinion). Best regards -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hi Vilius et al, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:00:16 PM, you wrote: You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. That is hard to do if the server, for example, only supports SSL connections (as is common practice today) and uses self-signed certs for that - and as such just as good as advising someone, who complains that a car lets him put in diesel where unleaded is needed, to try to run his car on wood. I'm not sure why you think this is a common practice. Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. This is more of a philosophical discussion about PKE (Public Key Encryption). This might be a bit OT, if so we can carry on PM. There are 2 main uses for PKE. 1.- Certify endpoints. For this there must be an unbroken certificate chain from a trusted CA down through 0 or more intermediate certificates to the end certificate that is being used. For this purpose Vilius is right, self-signed certificates are no use. 2.- Secure communications channel. The communication is opaque to all but the 2 endpoints that are communicating. When you perform IMAP/POP3/SMTP authentication you are sending your login details, you definitely don't what people to read that, and you might not want them to read the mail contents either. For this purpose self-signed certificates are perfectly OK. As a small aside, even for purpose 1 the current implementation is flawed. It all goes down to having a few trusted 100% secure Root CA. This is not actually the case. Some CA have been compromised in the past, which is one problem, another is that some countries have their own internationally recognised government controlled CA, which then allows the government to mount man-in-the-middle attack on SSL traffic going through their country. I want The Bat! to store the self-signed certificate so that I can simplify purpose 2 above. Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto: smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate I have the same problem, in v4 I could add my cert to trusted, now this button is inactive, this will be changed in next release or should I buy new cert? regards ML Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 6:18:49 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure why you think this is "a common practice". Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger Only "SSL only" was meant to be common practice - not the self-signed certificates. Did I express myself this unclearly? companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. Proper certificates usually cost money, which is a costly good. Apart of that, there are not many other "reasonable" reasons for using self-signed one, but that's not the point. I really do not think a program should be the neighborhood watch officer for what its users decide to do. Every program that lets me store an exception for a certificate also warns me that it may not be a good idea and urges me to think twice. That's reasonable fine so. But they let me do it - as opposed to not even mentioning that possibility "for my own good" (which is a very tempting, but rotten, position to assume, in my opinion). Best regards Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ctrl+Del behavior changed?
In TB 4.2.42 and earlier, I used Ctrl+Del all the time to delete all of the messages from a folder (especially my probable spam folder.) Back then, Ctrl+Del moved the deleted message to the TRASH and Ctrl+Del in the Trash folder permanently deleted the files. Imagine my surprise when I used Ctrl+Del on my probable spam folder today and the messages were immediately permanently deleted instead of going in to the TRASH. Is this a planned new behavior? If so, what replaces the old Ctrl+Del? If not... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.0.8 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Sveiki, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:21:03 PM, you wrote: Hi Vilius et al, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:00:16 PM, you wrote: You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. That is hard to do if the server, for example, only supports SSL connections (as is common practice today) and uses self-signed certs for that - and as such just as good as advising someone, who complains that a car lets him put in diesel where unleaded is needed, to try to run his car on wood. I'm not sure why you think this is a common practice. Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. This is more of a philosophical discussion about PKE (Public Key Encryption). This might be a bit OT, if so we can carry on PM. There are 2 main uses for PKE. 1.- Certify endpoints. For this there must be an unbroken certificate chain from a trusted CA down through 0 or more intermediate certificates to the end certificate that is being used. For this purpose Vilius is right, self-signed certificates are no use. 2.- Secure communications channel. The communication is opaque to all but the 2 endpoints that are communicating. When you perform IMAP/POP3/SMTP authentication you are sending your login details, you definitely don't what people to read that, and you might not want them to read the mail contents either. For this purpose self-signed certificates are perfectly OK. As a small aside, even for purpose 1 the current implementation is flawed. It all goes down to having a few trusted 100% secure Root CA. This is not actually the case. Some CA have been compromised in the past, which is one problem, another is that some countries have their own internationally recognised government controlled CA, which then allows the government to mount man-in-the-middle attack on SSL traffic going through their country. I want The Bat! to store the self-signed certificate so that I can simplify purpose 2 above. Completely true. With small addition, that point 2 only makes sense when you can certify endpoints also. E.i. to allow self-signed communication in secure manner you MUST get certificate from the person you trust, on USB key, or that such certificate should be pushed securely through Windows Group Policy for example. Trusting (e.g. accepting) self-signed CA through internet is risky. You could actually be accepting certificate of transparent proxy without knowing it, you have to check figerprint, etc, etc. This is why I think current method is really enough. If it doesn't work as some users said, then of course BT ticket should be created for that. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outstanding Issues
(BTW: I'm pretty sure you meant to say pending instead, since outstanding means terrific? ;-) ) His usage was corrrect :) out·stand·ing Adjective Synonyms: adjective: prominent, eminent, distinguished, notable, remarkable, salient, unsettled Exceptionally good the team's outstanding performance Clearly noticeable works of outstanding banality Remaining to be done or dealt with how much work is still outstanding? (of a debt) Remaining to be paid or dealt with there was a small charge outstanding -- Rick Coffee is Love v5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hi Vilius et al, big snip There are 2 main uses for PKE. 1.- Certify endpoints. For this there must be an unbroken certificate chain from a trusted CA down through 0 or more intermediate certificates to the end certificate that is being used. For this purpose Vilius is right, self-signed certificates are no use. 2.- Secure communications channel. The communication is opaque to all but the 2 endpoints that are communicating. When you perform IMAP/POP3/SMTP authentication you are sending your login details, you definitely don't what people to read that, and you might not want them to read the mail contents either. For this purpose self-signed certificates are perfectly OK. snip I want The Bat! to store the self-signed certificate so that I can simplify purpose 2 above. Completely true. With small addition, that point 2 only makes sense when you can certify endpoints also. E.i. to allow self-signed communication in secure manner you MUST get certificate from the person you trust, on USB key, or that such certificate should be pushed securely through Windows Group Policy for example. Trusting (e.g. accepting) self-signed CA through internet is risky. You could actually be accepting certificate of transparent proxy without knowing it, you have to check figerprint, etc, etc. This is why I think current method is really enough. If it doesn't work as some users said, then of course BT ticket should be created for that. You are still mixing purpose 1 and 2. The channel securing is independent of who generated the key. End of story. Self-signed, Verisign-signed doesn't change anything. What most current applications do (whether you agree or not) when they find a certificate that they cannot trust implicitly is ask for an explicit authorization, which given the comments about CA vulnerability might actually be safer than the existing implicit rules. This is what the confirmation dialog does. It says I have this certificate that I don't trust, do you trust it? and also gives the details for the certificate. This means that the user has the control to decide whether or not to trust the source. This moves the responsibility for authorising a given certificate from a known flawed implicit mechanism to a user authorization. Which is safer depends on many factors, where you live, how much you know, etc. As I said before, this is a philosophical discussion more than a technical issue. Also take into account that The Bat! does not live in a vacuum and so should look at what other products are doing. In the HTML discussion I personally think that The Bat! has it right, however in this case I think it has it wrong. Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto: smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Hi,
Filters are not working if i press ReFilter - same thing since Version *.138.
There are 4 Mails in Inbox - after press ReFilter there are only one moved.
Filter (little anonymoused)
TB! Message Filter
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Name: foren10
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06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: 00048 OK Status completed.
06.04.2011 18:01:18 C: 00049 SELECT Foren
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen
\Draft NonJunk $MDNSent $Forwarded)
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged
\Deleted \Seen \Draft NonJunk $MDNSent $Forwarded \*)] Flags
permitted.
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * 325 EXISTS
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * 1 RECENT
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06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1257789209] UIDs valid
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: * OK [UIDNEXT 29387] Predicted next UID
06.04.2011 18:01:18 S: 00049 OK [READ-WRITE] Select completed.
06.04.2011 18:01:18 C: 00050 UID SEARCH 1:* DELETED
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INTERNALDATE FLAGS ENVELOPE BODYSTRUCTURE)
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(Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:07:57 +0200 (CEST) Neue Antwort im Thema
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06.04.2011 18:01:20 C: 00056 IDLE
06.04.2011 18:01:20 S: + idling
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Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter stopped working
I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. I have deleted it and recreated it
and it still won't work. There are many other filters in this account that are
still working correctly
I am asking on the beta list because it stopped working in 5.05
TB! Message Filter
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UID: [5D68F35E.01CBF3BD.0DEAE4F0.0F267AB2]
Name: world-wide_polit...@yahoogroups.com
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--
Rick
Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
- Mark Twain
v5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600
Service Pack 3
Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Sveiki, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:56:31 PM, you wrote: This is what the confirmation dialog does. It says I have this certificate that I don't trust, do you trust it? and also gives the details for the certificate. This means that the user has the control to decide whether or not to trust the source. This moves the responsibility for authorising a given certificate from a known flawed implicit mechanism to a user authorization. Yeah, but how does the user know if this is really a certificate he is thinking it is? He must call other end for example by phone and ask forcertificatefingerprint,check it on certificate he is accepting, etc. In my opinion this is still a certification of other end, just without automatic technical means. Which is safer depends on many factors, where you live, how much you know, etc. As I said before, this is a philosophical discussion more than a technical issue. Agreed. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
78|jn h776i Vilius et al, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 1:05:46 PM, you wrote: Sveiki, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:56:31 PM, you wrote: This is what the confirmation dialog does. It says I have this certificate that I don't trust, do you trust it? and also gives the details for the certificate. This means that the user has the control to decide whether or not to trust the source. This moves the responsibility for authorising a given certificate from a known flawed implicit mechanism to a user authorization. Yeah, but how does the user know if this is really a certificate he is thinking it is? He must call other end for example by phone and ask forcertificatefingerprint,check it on certificate he is accepting, etc. In my opinion this is still a certification of other end, just without automatic technical means. snip There are a couple of points here. 1.- The words are very important. The text says I have this certificate, it does not say I have this address/site/interlocutor. It is asking for authorization for the certificate. This is a different issue to certifying origin. 2.- When a program checks the validity of a certificate the implicit acceptance rules it uses say something like Hi, you are a certificate that I got from host a.b.c. You say that you were issued to a.b.c and you are countersigned by someone I trust. Therefore I will trust you as a certificate and will also trust that I am talking to a.b.c Due to the current flaws in the certificate system we cannot guarantee that this is better than the manual authorization of the certificate. Actually the manual authorization you describe is about 100 times better than the implicit rules as you do not trust intermediaries, you use a secondary offline communications channel to validate the certificate. You can't get better than that. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto: smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hi,
I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. I have deleted it and recreated
it and it still won't work. There are many other filters in this account that
are still working correctly
I am asking on the beta list because it stopped working in 5.05
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [5D68F35E.01CBF3BD.0DEAE4F0.0F267AB2]
Name: world-wide_polit...@yahoogroups.com
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`2`0`[World-wide_Politics]\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CGroups\5CWorld-wide_Politics
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
same problems here, but with all filters. I cant find any reason why
they doesent work on my account (intergrated IMAP in shared webspace).
Filter (little anonymoused)
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [6C77484A.01CBF474.7D825330.47F8E3F4]
Name: foren10
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`1`0`m...@mailmail.de\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CPixelfeuer\5CForen
IsActive
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regards
Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 14:41:53, Viktor Kabelac wrote: I would join the request for the possibility to store an exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for example) in Firefox... Just import it in Trusted Root CA in Address book, and it'll work. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Smile, tomorrow will be worse. -- The Murphy Philosophy Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 19:21:03, Simon Martin wrote: 1.- Certify endpoints. For this there must be an unbroken certificate chain from a trusted CA down through 0 or more intermediate certificates to the end certificate that is being used. For this purpose Vilius is right, self-signed certificates are no use. 2.- Secure communications channel. The communication is opaque to all but the 2 endpoints that are communicating. When you perform IMAP/POP3/SMTP authentication you are sending your login details, you definitely don't what people to read that, and you might not want them to read the mail contents either. For this purpose self-signed certificates are perfectly OK. 2 without 1 is useless - if you don't know the certificate of the other endpoint, anybody could substitute his own certificate, decrypt the traffic from both sides and encrypt it with his own certificate - and you wouldn't know a thing, since you'd still get the same warning as always (this is a man-in-the-middle attack). However, if you have some way to obtain the public key of the certificate, you can trust that public key, and then MITM attack would become immediately apparent, since you'd get warned about an untrusted certificate, when you know you trust the server's actual certificate. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Never needlessly disturb a thing at rest. -- Randolph's Cardinal Principle of Statecraft Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top posting
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 16:33:26, Viktor Kabelac wrote: (me being on the side preferring to see the freshest text in the beginning of the mail instead of having to scroll to the end) If you quote properly, there's no need to scroll to the end (because if you need to scroll to the end, that's even worse than top-posting). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] The public is not made up of people who get their names in the newspapers. -- Wilson's Law of Demographics Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 16:21:35, Vilius Šumskas wrote: And I would join opposing side, that it would make The Bat! for average user less safe. No, it wouldn't (besides, it's already supported). Not just that, but if you want to be really safe, you'll delete every CA that's installed by default, and only mark individual certificates you know you can trust (because there's no telling when some CA will sell a second level CA certificate to somebody untrusted - actually, it's known that at least the Saudi government already bought a second-level CA certificate from IIRC, Verisign). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] The wider any culture is spread, the thinner it gets. -- Law of Raspberry Jam Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 16:19:10, Thomas Fernandez wrote: You are right, it does not add security. Wrong - your own certificates are the only ones you can actually trust (assuming you don't let the private key escape), so they're more trustworthy than certificates signed by 3rd party CAs. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Progress is made on alternate Fridays. -- Weinberg's First Law Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ctrl+Del behavior changed?
Hello Steven, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:39:21 PM, you wrote: SPV In TB 4.2.42 and earlier, I used Ctrl+Del all the time You are correct. Ctrl+Del behavior has changed. I hope someone will confirm if it was/is intentional. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v5.0.8 on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager 5.0.9 BETA
Voyager 5.0.9 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/voyager_install_5-0-9.exe What's new in Voyager 5.0.9 since 4.2.38.7 released on 21-Dec-2010? [+] It's now possible to define colour and text style for Quick Search tabs [+] Information about selected/total and filtered messages is now displayed on status bar in the main window and message viewer [*] When The Bat! decrypts a file using Tools/Privacy/File Decrypt, it now offers a file name based on the file name of the original file [-] Various message list tab issues (Beta issue) [-] (#0008245) Locate original message list command was not working (Beta issue) [-] When The Bat! was running and the user did open an .eml file from Windows Explorer or run thebat.exe with command line parameter, the running copy of The Bat! could hang [-] Fixed an Access Violation error when closing the message editor [-] Various message viewer issues (Beta issue) [-] (#0008265) When the current message was marked as deleted, the menu item for undeletion was named as Delete (Beta issue) [-] The close separate viewer... on reply/forward option wasn't working (Beta issue) [-] (#0006010) When redirecting multiple messages, the Forwarded/Redirected flag wasn't set [-] Untranslatable section Quick Search Tabs in Preferences dialog [-] Some cosmetic issues (Beta issue) [-] (#0008213) Possible access violation errors when closing the preferences dialogue after multiple closing/opening SmartBat (Beta issue) [+] IMAP. Partial message loading [+] IMAP. Loading of remotely stored attachments [-] Fixed Blue Screen Windows error with some printer drivers [+] Resend to action added to support both local and remote attachments [-] Cosmetic issues with Message List/Folder tabs (Beta issue) [+] Excel compatibility option added when exporting contacts in CSV format [-] (#0007431) Non-alphabet chars are selected when doubleclick on alphabet words in RTV viewer [-] (#0008182) 5.0.0.x Alpha - Buttons are not working in new Image Download Manager [*] Plugin API. Refined handling of before/after filter events [*] %AttachOriginalFiles macros is now supported in all auto-generated messages (not only forward) [-] (#0008244) 5.0.0.124: Preferences: Settings that trigger Image Download Button seem to have no effect [-] (#0008324) Image Download Manager : Access Violation when hit Move down button in 5.0.0.128 [-] (#0008321) Missing string Valid until version x.x in About dialog [-] (#0008234) Untranslatable warning Please enter the recipient's address in Redirect dialog [-] (#0008235) Untranslatable Begin / Substr / Equal / RegulExp in Image download manager [-] (#0008249) Untranslatable IMAP string Disconnected in account log [-] (#0008201) unlimited error boxes (System Error Code 5) after starting screen saver [-] (#0008330) Deletion of attachment wasn't possible since .127 (Beta issue) [-] (#0008296) Message Preview was not cleared when an empty or no folder was selected (Beta issue) [-] (#0008216) IMAP Connection Centre strings are not available for translation [-] (#0008306) Sometimes, messages were not displayed from the beginning (Beta issue) [-] (#0008314) Opening reply to a message wasn't working [-] Internal openers wasn't used for known attachment formats [-] UTF support in The Bat! log file for server replies [-] There were random AVs while viewing HTML images in the previous beta (BETA issue) [-] (#0008302) Reply to all did not take folder's different identity into consideration [-] Some SmartBat search panel bugs (Beta issue) [-] Specials|Remind Later functions were not working [-] (#0008320) Missing string Text length is more than possible to generate a QR-code [*] (#0008145) Account tree font can now have styles defined in preferences dialogue (Italic/Bold etc) [-] Message export from IMAP folder was fixed to properly handle partially downloaded messages. [-] (#0008356) Untranslatable title Opening reply when searching reply (BETA issue) [-] Exceptions when embedded message was opened in separate view (on opening attachments and on close) [-] (#0008235) Untranslatable Begin / Substr / Equal / RegulExp in Image download manager [-] Image download manager wasn't properly resized [-] IMAP folder exit tasks were not executed when exiting by the /EXIT command [-] When Windows did close The Bat! in case of system shutdown and there were open editor windows, The Bat! hang. [-] Using several folders as the source for a message list tab was not working properly (Beta issue) [+] Improved certificate chain building for X.509 in S/MIME and TLS [-] Default colours of messages were wrong (Beta issue) [-] (#0008392) Account properties dialog on Common folder produces error in 5.0.0.134 [-] (IMAP Download related) Access Violation at address 00939D67 on start 5.0.0.134 [-] Folder Maintenance was not working properly for IMAP folders, WIP: integrity checking and repair (Beta issue) [*] Folder download options was reorganized [*]
Re: Sound are missing in The Bat! 5.0.8
miércoles, 6 abr 2011 at 17:34, it seems you wrote: Can anybody confirm that? Confirmed from the first Betas of the v5 version on !August 2010¡. 5.0.0.56, and we arrived to 153, plus 5 RCs. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8078 -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.8 Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.4 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.6
miércoles, 6 abr 2011 at 09:16, it seems you wrote: I mean templates in HTML used for Hints, which are displayed in folders, accounts, messages etc. Ok, Hints HTML templates for folders, messages, ... Fully translated here ;-) -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.8 Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.4 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
miércoles, 6 abr 2011 at 01:29, it seems you wrote: What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? Two important bugs for me: 1. UI bug for the even/odd row intensity color: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8527 2. Emtpy Virtual Folder does nothing https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8559 -- /\/ Using The Bat! 5.0.8 Professional OTFE with iKey1000 / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.2.6.4 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
