Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 9:43 PM Hi Raymund, On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote: RT> I can't see what's more to it. RT> Any mail send can be read by someone along the way as long as it is RT> not encrypted. If it is at rest at a server it might be easier to RT> access for an attacker. RT> if your mail is that interesting to an attacker he/she/it will find a RT> way to get it from your computer as well... See response from RS... - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 9:41 PM Hi Vilius, On 5/1/2012 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ> If an attacker is in possesion of mail server it doesn't matter if VŠ> it's IMAP or POP. He will still be able to read your new email. IMAP VŠ> is just a protocol to get email from the server. It is no more or less VŠ> secure than POP. VŠ> Using POP3 and thinking that you are somehow more secure is completely VŠ> ridicilous idea. If you need a security encrypt your email base (be it local VŠ> or on the server). Most of the modern email server can do that. No sense attempting an explanation since you seem to have all the answers. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hi All, > 1. True Crypt Encrypted HDD (Serpent-Twofish-AES with SHA512 hash) > and encrypted not with a password but SHA-512 keyfile, Mistyped here ; I wrote OS but meant other containers. OS is AES encrypted with a password and containers are Serpent-Twofish-AES encrypted (mounted separately). All data are set to non-OS partition but to separated container mounted as a drive after OS is up (ex: TB!'s data folder). Keyfiles and Containers headers are saved on AES hardware encrypted USB (headers are to be used if something happens to the container ; so far never had to use them (luckily)). Rest of the info was correct. It's about 2am here now and it's probably a high time for me to get to bed. -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (01:57 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Sveiki, Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 6:37:48 PM, you wrote: > 5/1/2012 11:36 AM > Hi Tony, > On 5/1/2012 Tony Hoare wrote: >>> IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my >>> future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH>> What security issues do you see in IMAP? > The message base is not local. If an attacker is in possesion of mail server it doesn't matter if it's IMAP or POP. He will still be able to read your new email. IMAP is just a protocol to get email from the server. It is no more or less secure than POP. Using POP3 and thinking that you are somehow more secure is completely ridicilous idea. If you need a security encrypt your email base (be it local or on the server). Most of the modern email server can do that. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)
Hi Raymund, RA> if your mail is that interesting to an attacker he/she/it will RA> find a way to get it from your computer as well... You're right in your statement but cost vs value is a question here :) In my case no one will try to get my data ; way too much work to do :) 1. True Crypt Encrypted HDD (Serpent-Twofish-AES with SHA512 hash) and encrypted not with a password but SHA-512 keyfile, 2. Keyfile could be stolen so it's on hardware AES encrypted USB with small/capitalized letters and digits (3 wrong passwords and you can only format it ; unless Sandisk included some backdoor in it :)) ; I do have 2 copies of such USB in separated places of the world (and I'm the only person that knows where it is :)), 3. Notebook camera is set to facial recognition and if I'm gone for about 2s it locks down and my face and password are required to get an access (only drawback here is a need for decent light conditions). Password is not a word but mixture of small/capital letters and digits. 4. USB ports are turn-off and not accessible up to the moment you Unlock them after plugging in a USB drive. 5. All my portable HDD/USB are TC encrypted with keyfiles. 6. Password on BIOS That one is only to slow common thieves down and not to get HDD formatted within first 1-2 hours after your notebook is gone. 7. E-mail clients and browsers are set up to connect to Internet over encrypted VPN ; have that option enabled as well for a whole OS (two reasons here): a) Higher security (as I never had enough time to dig up a matter of e-mail encryption ; anyway if I'm not mistaken recipient must to do some work on his end as well and probably most people would not be able to do that properly) b) I'm in China and amazingly quite often connecting to US/EU server even through EU VPN is faster than direct connection from China (no comment here) and more stable (no Time Outs ; before on Chinese cable connection I had sometimes up to 90% of time out from time to time), There is one more option in my notebook BIOS: Computrace but I didn't dare to turn it on because as per info I've found it can't be turn off by a user (remote company must reset your notebook) nor uninstalled from BIOS after it's set active (if BIOS is reflashed it's repairing itself). Why to do that? My previous notebook was once stolen and had only BIOS protection so data were fully accessible if HDD is taken out and connected to other machine. However, that BIOS saved HDD from being formatted before I luckily found it and bought it back. At least make them not be able to read your data or sweat while trying to access it ; if you're not lucky enough to get it back fast enough :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 5.1.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) POP3 accounts (x5) Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (00:34 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:56 AM Hi Rick, On 5/1/2012 Rick wrote: >> The message base is not local. R> Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP Yup! - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:56 AM Hi Raymund, On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote: RT> Hi Paul, TH>>> What security issues do you see in IMAP? >> The message base is not local. RT> That is a security issue only if you think your mails aren't save as RT> long as they are on a server. This is also true for POP3 as long as RT> you don't get the mails every second. If it were only this simple. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
>>> IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my >>> future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH>> What security issues do you see in IMAP? > The message base is not local. Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP -- Rick Dear Prince Charming, You've got some explaining to do! Sincerely, Cinderella, Snow White, Rapunzel, and Sleeping Beauty v5.1.2.2 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters working in v5?
5/1/2012 11:36 AM Hi Tony, On 5/1/2012 Tony Hoare wrote: >> IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my >> future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. TH> What security issues do you see in IMAP? The message base is not local. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.2 - still has timezone offset problem
Hello Maxim, > The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) is available at > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5122.rar :-( As soon as Mantis is open for business, I'll report it as a bug. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.36.2 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters working in v5?
Hello Paul, > IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my > future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP. What security issues do you see in IMAP? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.36.2 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.2
On Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 2:42:54 AM, Dwight Corrin wrote: > On Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 2:33:50 AM, Roger Phillips wrote: > >> I see that the Space key now does scroll down HTML messages more than one >> page long. > using which viewer? > sent before I saw you 2d message. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.2
On Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 2:33:50 AM, Roger Phillips wrote: > I see that the Space key now does scroll down HTML messages more than one > page long. using which viewer? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.2
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:12:24 AM, among other things, you wrote: M> Hello Maxim, M> >> The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) is available at >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5122.rar M> Running fine here so far. Sorry, I meant to say that the Space key does now scroll down HTML messages EVEN WHEN THE SYSTEM VIEWER IS CHOSEN. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v5.1.2.2 (BETA) POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.2
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:12:24 AM, among other things, you wrote: M> Hello Maxim, M> >> The Bat! 5.1.2.2 (BETA) is available at >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5122.rar M> Running fine here so far. I see that the Space key now does scroll down HTML messages more than one page long. -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v5.1.2.2 (BETA) POP3, on Windows 7, version 6 1, build 7601 and Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.1.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
