Re: 9.2.0.3 HTML rendering

2020-06-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stefan,

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 19:13:37 +0300 GMT (17-Jun-20, 23:13 +0700 GMT),
Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

> Hello Andrew,

>> Lowering the stakes, how about a stable build just without the Chromium?

> Nope, sorry. Moving to CEF is one of the key points of the coming
> release, so we need to deal with the problems caused by introducing
> it now and I don't see why we cannot overcome it.

FWIW I was so annoyed with the previous implementation of HTML, that I
am now considering whether to change my work machine to this beta - I
would usually never run a beta version of any software on my work
machine.

The new HTML viewer still has some quirks, but I am sure we can work
this out before the next release. that's what the beta series is for.
;-)

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Re: 9.2.0.3 HTML viewer

2020-06-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello NetVicious,

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:16:34 +0200 GMT (18-Jun-20, 6:16 +0700 GMT),
NetVicious wrote:

> martes, 16 jun. 2020 at 13:43, it seems you wrote:

>> [-] Copy didn't work in HTML viewer

> Thanks for the fix.

> 2 suggestions.

> ** Do not place as default download all images on the HTML Viewer **

> The Bat! was created as a very secure email client and usually all the
> options related to security and to avoid spam had as default option to
> be secure.

> I see the default option after the HTML viewer change it's to download
> all external resources (Automatically download all)

> IMHO  this  option  should be set by default to the more conservative
> option "Download all resources only manually"

Agreed. I really liked the botton we had that switched from internal
to external viewer. What it did in effect was switch between
downloading pictures or not. And I had the option of "whitelisting"
picture sources that I could trust.

> ** Tooltip/hint  on  links of the HTML Viewer **

> I used this feature to see with url a link has below it. This was very
> useful  for  pishing emails which usually are very very similar to the
> original ones but the links point to a fake domain.

I really miss this too. In some HTML mais, I want to see whether the
link sends me to the website it promises, or whether it will send me
to an URL that will potentially install malware on my computer. I
don't like to blindly click.

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Re[2]: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/17/2020  7:36 PM

Hi The,

On 6/17/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

N> 2 suggestions.

N> ** Do not place as default download all images on the HTML Viewer **

N> The Bat! was created as a very secure email client and usually all the 
N> options related to security and to avoid spam had as default option to 
N> be secure.

N> I see the default option after the HTML viewer change it's to download 
N> all external resources (Automatically download all)

N> IMHO  this  option  should be set by default to the more conservative 
N> option "Download all resources only manually"

N> ** Tooltip/hint  on  links of the HTML Viewer **

N> I used this feature to see with url a link has below it. This was very
N> useful  for  pishing emails which usually are very very similar to the
N> original ones but the links point to a fake domain.

  Agreed!

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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread NetVicious
martes, 16 jun. 2020 at 13:43, it seems you wrote:

> [-] Copy didn't work in HTML viewer

Thanks for the fix.

2 suggestions.

** Do not place as default download all images on the HTML Viewer **

The Bat! was created as a very secure email client and usually all the 
options related to security and to avoid spam had as default option to 
be secure.

I see the default option after the HTML viewer change it's to download 
all external resources (Automatically download all)

IMHO  this  option  should be set by default to the more conservative 
option "Download all resources only manually"

** Tooltip/hint  on  links of the HTML Viewer **

I used this feature to see with url a link has below it. This was very
useful  for  pishing emails which usually are very very similar to the
original ones but the links point to a fake domain.

Regards,


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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Ira
Hello Marck,

Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:50:08 AM, you wrote:

Marck> It's  just  "The  template  that  gets  used for emails written to the
Marck> list".  In  my  case,  it's  the  address  book  Reply and New message
Marck> templates  for  the  list address. It's not a specific thing. Some use
Marck> folder templates for this. That's always been something I've avoided.

Ah, I see. I never ceases to surprised by the myriad features hidden
within The Bat.


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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread MAU
Hello Ira,

> and where do I find it?

https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/65/

Take a look to the Overview towards the end.

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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 17 June 2020 at 18:45 Ira wrote and made these points

... 
Marck>> ... You can easily automate this by using
Marck>> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.


I> I must not be violating the rules, but I want that feature for some
I> other things and You;ve piqued my interest. What is a "list template"
I> and where do I find it?

It's  just  "The  template  that  gets  used for emails written to the
list".  In  my  case,  it's  the  address  book  Reply and New message
templates  for  the  list address. It's not a specific thing. Some use
folder templates for this. That's always been something I've avoided.

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Re: Mod: HTML use (was: 9.2.0.2)

2020-06-17 Thread Ira
Hello Marck,

Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 8:36:37 AM, you wrote:

Marck> Please do not send HTML messages to the list
Marck> except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are
Marck> debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the
Marck> list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using
Marck> %SetEditor="1" in your list template.


I must not be violating the rules, but I want that feature for some
other things and You;ve piqued my interest. What is a "list template"
and where do I find it?

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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA
Hello Andrew, 

> Lowering the stakes, how about a stable build just without the Chromium?

Nope, sorry. Moving to CEF is one of the key points of the coming release, so 
we need to deal with the problems caused by introducing it now and I don't see 
why we cannot overcome it. 

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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Gleason

Andrew,

> Hello Gwen,

> Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 11:27:43 PM, you wrote:

>> If selecting some HTML message in message list two new The Bat!
>> Chromium CEF processes are started and cause freezes for 2-3 sec.

> Stefan,

> 13 June 2020, 00:09:39  (Sat, 13 Jun 2020 00:09:39 +0930) I wrote:
>> Would it be possible to release a "stable" build without DevExpress
>> widgets _and_ without Chromium?..

> Lowering the stakes, how about a stable build just without the Chromium?

Can't satisfy all the people all the time.
Half the people half the time?  Maybe, half the time.


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Re[2]: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Gwen,

Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 11:27:43 PM, you wrote:

> If selecting some HTML message in message list two new The Bat!
> Chromium CEF processes are started and cause freezes for 2-3 sec.

Stefan,

13 June 2020, 00:09:39  (Sat, 13 Jun 2020 00:09:39 +0930) I wrote:
> Would it be possible to release a "stable" build without DevExpress
> widgets _and_ without Chromium?..

Lowering the stakes, how about a stable build just without the Chromium?


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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Gwen
Hello The,

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, at 15:46:01 [GMT +0200] (which was 15:46 where I
live) Gwen wrote:

> ⚠  BUG:
> The Bat! freezes interaction on itself and Windows for 4-6 seconds.
> Selecting other messages results is blocked interaction, too.
> Seems loading of Chromium CEF cause this.

If selecting some HTML message in message list two new The Bat!
Chromium CEF processes are started and cause freezes for 2-3 sec.


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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Gwen
Hello Stefan,

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, at 14:43:35 [GMT +0300] (which was 13:43 where I
live) Stefan wrote:

> Version 9.2.0.3 (BETA) can be downloaded from
>
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.3-x32.7z

⚠  BUG:
The Bat! freezes interaction on itself and Windows for 4-6 seconds.
Selecting other messages results is blocked interaction, too.
Seems loading of Chromium CEF cause this.
Bad issue!

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Re: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Curt at Down in the Country
Hello Stefan,

U

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Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 7:43:35 AM, you wrote:

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Re: 9.2.0.2

2020-06-17 Thread Curt at Down in the Country
Hello Stefan,

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Monday, June 15, 2020, 8:12:05 AM, you wrote:

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