Re[2]: 9.2.5.2 And one more+ email that not colored to black theme

[Paul Van Noord]

10/14/2020  2:47 PM

On 10/14/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

GS> Here the screenshot - 
https://content.screencast.com/users/george2534/folders/Snagit/media/1cab2170-7053-41f3-8709-ec88759570db/10.14.2020-19.53.jpg

GS> there is another email example for programers

GS> Go to site with browser and waste the time with this, this is last time 
when I ask add kb/mb to the attachment size. I'm so tired to have fight with 
native luddites :) It will be links to image-hosting.

GS> And this is not an html, I can't add this as non-attachment image. Let it 
be. It will be links.

GS> In the attach you can find source letter that dark-theme of TB! too not 
colorized to dark. Aaaargh! It's too bigger than 150 kb! Ok, do unzip and waste 
time here too. There is no my fault!
GS>  

Where is your message signature?

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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more+ email that not colored to black theme

[George Salnik]

Here the screenshot - 
https://content.screencast.com/users/george2534/folders/Snagit/media/1cab2170-7053-41f3-8709-ec88759570db/10.14.2020-19.53.jpg

there is another email example for programers

Go to site with browser and waste the time with this, this is last time when I 
ask add kb/mb to the attachment size. I'm so tired to have fight with native 
luddites :) It will be links to image-hosting.

And this is not an html, I can't add this as non-attachment image. Let it be. 
It will be links.

In the attach you can find source letter that dark-theme of TB! too not 
colorized to dark. Aaaargh! It's too bigger than 150 kb! Ok, do unzip and waste 
time here too. There is no my fault!
 


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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more email that not colored to black theme

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 16:50:38, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

> Basically, you're right - HTML viewer needs to obey the style the sender set 
> and use current theme settings only for default colors and fonts. But for 
> those who chose the dark side, it would be pretty much natural to want to 
> view all messages in dark mode :-)So, that Darkreader tool can be a 
> helpful one,  thanks to George for mentioning it. 

It's possible to set up CSS to automatically choose appropriate colours for 
dark mode - I do that on some pages on my website (eg. 
 - if you browse there with OS in dark 
mode, the website will be dark as well).

Additionally, at least Chromium-based browsers have a setting to apply dark 
theme to all websites, but in my experience it doesn't look as nice as sites 
that have @media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) in CSS.

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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more email that not colored to black theme

[George Salnik]

Вы писали 14 октября 2020 г., 17:50:38:
> Hello MAU, 

>> I  don't  understand  this  discussion  about  color  replacement. Why  
>> replace  them  at  all?  Isn't  an HTML viewer supposed to render the 
>> colours and style that the originator of a message decided to use? 

> Basically, you're right - HTML viewer needs to obey the style the sender set 
> and use current theme settings only for default colors and fonts. But for 
> those who chose the dark side, it would be pretty much natural to want to 
> view all messages in dark mode :-)So, that Darkreader tool can be a 
> helpful one,  thanks to George for mentioning it. 

All modern software is goes few years already to "dark side" and users can 
choose white/gray/dark style of interface through settings (all adobe, autodesk 
software have this many years for example, win10 have dark theme 2 years 
already). Even all modern email-clients have this too. And I'm glad that dark 
side is more and more beats "white side". 
 
I was start with computers when monitor shows all in dark with green font. Dark 
side is better for me and for my eyes. Yes, some authors of html-emails do 
apply direct colors in the letter and we can see them through "classic" theme 
in TB!, but when we use it dark themes needs to see all with "dark force". 

Thanks to RitLabs for adding this feature, I and many users wait this by many 
years. 








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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more email that not colored to black theme

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA]

Hello MAU, 

> I  don't  understand  this  discussion  about  color  replacement. Why  
> replace  them  at  all?  Isn't  an HTML viewer supposed to render the colours 
> and style that the originator of a message decided to use? 

Basically, you're right - HTML viewer needs to obey the style the sender set 
and use current theme settings only for default colors and fonts. But for those 
who chose the dark side, it would be pretty much natural to want to view all 
messages in dark mode :-)So, that Darkreader tool can be a helpful one,  
thanks to George for mentioning it. 


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Re: Attachments with more than 150 kb

[MAU]

Hello Paul,

> I am growing weary reading your attempts to validate your opinion
> as being the only one with value...

+1


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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more email that not colored to black theme

[MAU]

Hello Stefan,

> It's not a trivial task to guess what would be the best replacement
> for original colors to maintain the readabilty and overall styling,
> so we only set the default colors for HTML and it seems to work for
> most  messages. The most problematic messages are those that set
> explicit color only for background or only for text and I'm yet to
> see a mail client that works decent on those :-)

I  don't  understand  this  discussion  about  color  replacement. Why
replace  them  at  all?  Isn't  an HTML viewer supposed to render the
colours and style that the originator of a message decided to use? 


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Re: Attachments with more than 150 kb

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:52:13 -0400 GMT (14-Oct-20, 19:52 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 10/14/2020  8:46 AM


> On 10/14/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

GS>> Вы писали 13 октября 2020 г., 21:47:10:
>>> Marck Pearlstone wrote:

>>> Please create a bug report and add your images to your report. Than post
>>> the link to this bug report here in this list.

>>> My two cents.

GS>> And most of the participants won't go to any bugtracker, not do login, not 
do open image, etc. Time is money.
GS>> If you won't open attachment here - don't open, if you won't download - 
don't download. Am I need to tell how to set up TB! for this?

GS>> We're here to help and show small bugs, and showing them through some 
image hosting it's a non-sense. Open door, look around, - this is 21st century.

GS>> All "two cents" that I see here is only sand from old technologies (and 
imposing restrictions of shaman in the sect who's decided that meat is worse 
than carrot).. I do silent about strange "non html" here, but about wild "not 
do more 150 kb attachments" - won't. All that restriction do - kill my time 
with resaving screenshots and showing them here in bad quality.

> I am growing weary reading your attempts to validate your opinion as being 
> the only one with value...

+1

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Re[2]: Attachments with more than 150 kb

[Paul Van Noord]

10/14/2020  8:46 AM


On 10/14/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

GS> Вы писали 13 октября 2020 г., 21:47:10:
>> Marck Pearlstone wrote:

>> Please create a bug report and add your images to your report. Than post
>> the link to this bug report here in this list.

>> My two cents.

GS> And most of the participants won't go to any bugtracker, not do login, not 
do open image, etc. Time is money. 
GS> If you won't open attachment here - don't open, if you won't download - 
don't download. Am I need to tell how to set up TB! for this?

GS> We're here to help and show small bugs, and showing them through some image 
hosting it's a non-sense. Open door, look around, - this is 21st century. 

GS> All "two cents" that I see here is only sand from old technologies (and 
imposing restrictions of shaman in the sect who's decided that meat is worse 
than carrot).. I do silent about strange "non html" here, but about wild "not 
do more 150 kb attachments" - won't. All that restriction do - kill my time 
with resaving screenshots and showing them here in bad quality.

I am growing weary reading your attempts to validate your opinion as being the 
only one with value...

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Re: 9.2.5.2 And one more email that not colored to black theme

[George Salnik]

Вы писали 14 октября 2020 г., 2:23:10:
> Hi


> On Monday 12 October 2020 at 11:29:34 AM, in
> , Stefan Tanurkov wrote:-


>> It's not a
>> trivial task to guess what would be the best replacement
>> for original colors to maintain the readabilty and
>> overall styling,

> At work we are forced to use a version of Internet Explorer that doesn't have 
> a dark mode; the CSS below (found somewhere online) works pretty well to get 
> IE to render many web pages as pale text on a dark background. Pictures look 
> weird, though, and occasional pages are dark while loading then temporarily 
> blind you by switching to bright at the last minute. An HTML email body is 
> pretty much the same as a web page, and such a simple CSS does about three 
> quarters of the job.

IE will be killed soon my hands of creators. I forget when open this browser 
last time. For chromium-core based browsers I do recommend this extension - 
https://darkreader.org/help/en/ - good thing to see how auto-dark-feature needs 
to be working.

At this time of beta-test as I think - needs to give to TB! creators more 
examples of html-news-emails where auto-coloring isn't work. And dear creators 
needs to do something with that. As do this Spark email-client (for example). 
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Re: Attachments with more than 150 kb

[George Salnik]

Вы писали 13 октября 2020 г., 21:47:10:
> Marck Pearlstone wrote:

> Please create a bug report and add your images to your report. Than post
> the link to this bug report here in this list.

> My two cents.

And most of the participants won't go to any bugtracker, not do login, not do 
open image, etc. Time is money. 
If you won't open attachment here - don't open, if you won't download - don't 
download. Am I need to tell how to set up TB! for this?

We're here to help and show small bugs, and showing them through some image 
hosting it's a non-sense. Open door, look around, - this is 21st century. 

All "two cents" that I see here is only sand from old technologies (and 
imposing restrictions of shaman in the sect who's decided that meat is worse 
than carrot).. I do silent about strange "non html" here, but about wild "not 
do more 150 kb attachments" - won't. All that restriction do - kill my time 
with resaving screenshots and showing them here in bad quality.




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