Re: The Bat! 5.4 MSI files
Hello Maxim, This probably isn't a bug, but it sure is annoying. When I type robyn@f tab in the to field quickly I get robyn@f, when I pause between the f and the tab I get robyn@ fish***.com. I never want robyn@f, I always want the completed email. -- Ira Current beta is 5.3.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.4.8.0
Hello Maxim, Monday, September 9, 2013, 10:16:44 AM, you wrote: What's new in 5.4.8.0 since 5.4.6.0: Occasionally and sadly I can't tell you when, you don't change the cursor back to Default from WaitCursor. Also, it looks like at times you push and pop the cursor state as the instant I click on the Help menu the cursor changes to Default and then when I close Help=About it changes back to WaitCursor and then other times you don't, as when I choose Reply to write this message the cursor remained WaitCursor. Also, on the menus Find Next is enabled even when there is no previous search pattern and fails. Seems like it should just invoke the Find dialog in that case. -- Ira Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB non-closure prevents Windows shut down
Hello Rick, Thursday, September 19, 2013, 8:43:15 AM, you wrote: You may never find it, but I hope you do! Interesting. Today when I went to shut down my computer, TheBat would not close. Just ignored clicking the red X and choosing Messages=Exit. Acted as if I'd done nothing. I then tried using task manager to end the processes and it shut down properly, did the box with the completion bars running across and then shut down. So it looks like the problem is app-close message is getting lost under some conditions. As if you disable it when you're doing something for safety and then somehow forget to turn it back on. Similar to how the mouse cursor looses it's state sometimes. -- Ira Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB non-closure prevents Windows shut down
Hello Rick, Friday, September 20, 2013, 10:33:28 AM, you wrote: Windows has an issue that has caused serious data loss for some people. It gives the program not responding when in fact the program is working in the background. It gives the message program not responding when the program stops responding to user events. It seems like W8 shows that a bit faster than W7, but it's not a bug in Windows. Conceptually it's caused by bad design of the program getting the message which should never stop processing events or should have at least put up a This will take a long time, please wait message or a progress bar so you would know it was still alive. -- Ira Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Same problem, different address.
Ira Title says it all. Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: folder missing from management list
Hello Dwight, Monday, June 26, 2017, 10:14:10 PM, you wrote: > Thinking that I didn’t want to now be checking mail at fastmail.com as > well as in theBat!, I went off to ‘Manage IMAP Folders,’ to subscribe. > Looking at the ‘All’ tab, no ‘Spam’ folder appears. Can you tell your vendor not to filter spam? That's what I do so I get to do the filters myself. -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatic attachment on forward and re-direct
Hello List, When I forward a massage and only want to reference one line, the bat always automatically adds an attachment containing the whole forwarded email. How do I turn that feature off? -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic attachment on forward and re-direct
Hello Thomas, Friday, June 23, 2017, 6:58:39 PM, you wrote: > To turn it off permanently, go to Account / Properties / Templates / > Forward, and take the tick-mark off "Forward the message as > attachment...". Thanks so much for the answer. I do have that unchecked and the problem is actually different than I thought. When a message has no attachments indicated in the list display but shows an unmarked attachment of message.htm in the message itself, is there a way to automatically get rid of that. And for that matter, why is it there and why does it not show up as an attachment? -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A question to system administrators about The Bat! filling free memory with zero bytes
Hello Stuart, Friday, June 23, 2017, 11:06:25 PM, you wrote: > I really don't understand what changing how TB handles memory on > the client instance will do anything for the memory subsystems in > hosted mail servers, running bare metal or in VMs. I was going to say something similar but I don't run servers so it seemed not relevant. Maybe if there are a bunch of people running The Bat on an application server. All my machine have 16Mb or more so I can't imagine it will make any difference to me. -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Automatic attachment on forward and re-direct
Hello Marck, Saturday, June 24, 2017, 2:26:22 AM, you wrote: I>> When I forward a massage and only want to reference one line, I>> the bat always automatically adds an attachment containing the I>> whole forwarded email. How do I turn that feature off? > This thread is Off-Topic for the Beta discussion list and would be > more appropriate in the TBUDL I considered that, but the fact that the attachment shows up and yet the message in the list does not show having an attachment would see to fall in the possible gray area of bug. You tell me. -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.52
Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 21, 2017, 6:54:12 AM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.52 (ALPHA) is available at Crashes much less than .51 as in not at all versus almost constantly. -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.52 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is this a problem?
Hello tbbeta, I've attached 2 pictures, I see email1 when html is selected, a completely empty email but when I click on the other tab, the email is there. With both the windows and Bat viewers. The email was sent by a friend who also uses The Bat, though not the beta. Thanks, Ira Current beta is 8.0.10.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.0.2 MSI files
Hello Anton, Sunday, November 12, 2017, 8:18:11 AM, you wrote: > does it require purchasing new license? > because my About windows says: > "Valid until version 7.9." Please answer this. When I attempt to install it tells me I don't have a license. -- Ira Current beta is 7.4.16.60 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.0.14 MSI files - License valid until version 8.
Hello NetVicious, Monday, December 11, 2017, 3:10:43 PM, you wrote: >>> The About splash shows license "Valid until version 8." and it should >>> say "until version 8.9". > IMHO it should be better to write 8.xx instead of only 8. Maybe it should say valid until Version 9. -- Ira Current beta is 8.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quiet
Hello Eddie, Friday, May 4, 2018, 3:47:05 PM, you wrote: > Is it "very quiet?" or "very quiet!" ;) Quiet in a beta section usually means it's working, a good thing! -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.3.0.5
Hello Maxim, Monday, May 7, 2018, 10:16:10 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.3.0.5 since 8.3.0.4: Seems to be working just fine in my limited usage. I set a friend up with the Bat and he has this one occasional annoying problem. Every once in awhile, The Bat decides to download all the mail on the server instead of just the mail since the last time the mail was downloaded. He uses POP3 and has Keep Mail on server set to 5 days. -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.3.0.7
Hello Maxim, Thursday, May 17, 2018, 8:36:02 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.3.0.7 since 8.3.0.6: working here. -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.3.0.28
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 5:31:45 PM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.3.0.28 since 8.3.0.27: > [-] Some modifications on PGP internal singature verification > [-] 0001496: Access Violation on closing The Bat! while > viewing a message in the internal HTML viewer Only been a minute, but so far it seems fine. -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.3.0.22
Hello Maxim, Saturday, June 2, 2018, 11:01:17 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.3.0.22 since 8.3.0.21: Everything seemed to be fine, till this happened. Still seems to work fine, that's an IMAP link to my wife's business email, the only IMAP account I use. -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.22 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.3.0.25
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 9:48:14 AM, you wrote: > [+] Added support for TLS Server Name Indication (SNI) > Extension. It is useful when multiple servers are sharing the > same IP address. For more information on SNI Does this need to be enabled? What would I have to do to see if my server supports it? -- Ira Current beta is 8.3.0.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Weird anomaly, annoyance, can't make change to email address
Hello NetVicious, Monday, December 11, 2017, 3:10:43 PM, you wrote: so I'm trying to send an email. currently addressed to: mario @someaddress.com and there's a problem with sending so I highlight "mario" and type "info" in it's place and the auto-correct decides to erase the email address I was trying to correct and replace it with some random email address I've previously used that starts with info. Worse, I can't use Ctrl+Z to undo it, I have to remember what was overwritten by the overly aggressive suggestion code. -- Ira Current beta is 8.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.2.4.5
Hello Maxim, Friday, February 16, 2018, 6:28:57 AM, you wrote: g [-] Fixed access violation errors introduced 8.2.4 I guess not quite all of them. Is there some log you'd like? He's the last entries in the exceptions log: Date: 17 Feb 2018 09:59:13 OS: Windows 10 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 16299 PhysMemFreeTotal: 008373/016278 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 0134217325/0134217727 MB MAPI #0: Eudora [Eudora]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\EuMAPI32.dll (not valid) MAPI #1: Windows Live Hotmail [Hotmail]; Path: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\hmmapi.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office15\OLMAPI32.DLL (not valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #4: The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #5: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid) MAPI #6: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Address: 005316CC ClassName: EAccessViolation Message: Access violation at address 005316CC in module 'thebat64.exe'. Read of address IsOSException: 1 Modules: 0040 20180216142459 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe Stack: 005316CC [0040] 00412A5A [0040] 00531690 [0040] 00412A5A [0040] Date: 17 Feb 2018 10:00:27 OS: Windows 10 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 16299 PhysMemFreeTotal: 008238/016278 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 0134217335/0134217727 MB MAPI #0: Eudora [Eudora]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\EuMAPI32.dll (not valid) MAPI #1: Windows Live Hotmail [Hotmail]; Path: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\hmmapi.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office15\OLMAPI32.DLL (not valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #4: The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #5: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid) MAPI #6: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Address: 0044D836 ClassName: EOSError Message: System Error. Code: 5. Access is denied IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20180216142459 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe Stack: 0044D836 [0040] 0044D831 [0040] 00411E50 [0040] 0040963E [0040] 0044D831 [0040] 004103ED [0040] 00412D82 [0040] 0044D831 [0040] 00411E7C [0040] 0044D831 [0040] 005228E7 [0040] 0040960A [0040] 0044D78D [0040] 0040F673 [0040] 0061FA16 [0040] 005CFD43 [0040] 004103BE [0040] 0061CE4E [0040] 00533030 [0040] 0062A42C [0040] 0040F945 [0040] 007AE698 [0040] 0079A07C [0040] 0043DEC0 [0040] 00412839 [0040] 0041295A [0040] 0044B3CF [0040] 00531690 [0040] 004129D1 [0040] 00412A64 [0040] -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.4.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cannot open file "ACCOUNT.M_R:
Hello , Since I was looking at the exceptions log, I also noticed that this shows up occasionally. Can't imagine what else would be opening it which makes me wonder if you're trying to open it exclusive in two places at once. Ira Date: 17 Feb 2018 10:36:01 OS: Windows 10 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 16299 PhysMemFreeTotal: 008668/016278 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 0134217242/0134217727 MB MAPI #0: Eudora [Eudora]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\EuMAPI32.dll (not valid) MAPI #1: Windows Live Hotmail [Hotmail]; Path: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\hmmapi.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office15\OLMAPI32.DLL (not valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #4: The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #5: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid) MAPI #6: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Address: 008ADCBF ClassName: EDosStreamError Message: Cannot open file "C:\Users\Ira_2\Documents\The Bat!\Extrasensory\ACCOUNT.M_R" The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20180216142459 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe Stack: 008ADCBF [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 0042A6AC [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 00411E50 [0040] 0044AA8F [0040] 0040FE0C [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 005A4374 [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 00411E50 [0040] 00415CCD [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 00410734 [0040] 008ADCBA [0040] 00411EC3 [0040] 004103BE [0040] 008AD6B0 [0040] 0051D57E [0040] 00A79CD7 [0040] 00A7A025 [0040] 01B82578 [0040] 01B8CED4 [0040] 01BBDFA0 [0040] 007DD124 [0040] 007E9762 [0040] 01BBDA47 [0040] 00C41627 [0040] 00C4103F [0040] 00531690 [0040] 00412A5A [0040] Thanks, Ira Current beta is 8.2.4.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Copy Format' feature
Title: Re: 'Copy Format' feature Hello andrei.sliusarenco, Thursday, February 22, 2018, 7:01:05 AM, you wrote: In this beta we added this feature in message editor. It reaciable via new button with 'brush' icon. to use : select any text with needed format, press 'brush' button, then select text or click on word, and then copied format will be applied. Can we get feedback on it ? I find it potentially useful, but very confusing to use. How do I know if clicking the button will apply formatting or save formatting? Button needs to show current state. And then, how do I copy a new format to the button or how do I clear the current button? -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 'Copy Format' feature
Title: Re: 'Copy Format' feature Hello Lüko, Thursday, February 22, 2018, 9:04:48 AM, you wrote: This feature only copyies the format, not the text itself. Yea, I get that, but all my points are still valid. How do you know if this click on the button is copying a format or pasting a format? And if I've already copied a format but now want to copy a new format, how do I do that? I get how it works, but building tools that only work for people who've already figured out how to use them means you'll just confuse most of your users. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting and first message
Hello Peter, Friday, February 23, 2018, 1:05:05 PM, you wrote: > IMO an empty line is waste of space. I'd like to see variant > 2. Better than a non-standard-compliant solution such as an extra inquiry. Yes, I would agree with this method being preferred. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MocroEd - Address suggestion dropdown hides after a second!
Hello Gwen, Monday, January 1, 2018, 9:53:19 AM, you wrote: > In To: Adress field of MicroEd i try to type test@ to get all > addresses with test@... the dropdown appears, hides after a second and > then a address is inserted without any interaction of myself by > keyboard or mouse and a part of this address is marked! > I cant select suggested addresses anymore. > Did anyone had such issue? Yes, another problem with the address autofill. It's really messed up, but usually I can get what I want. It would be really nice if it worked better though. -- Ira Current beta is 8.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address book weirdness
Hello The, I'm trying to get my wife set up on the bat, but I can't get the address book to populate. Right click=>Specials=>add sender to address book does nothing and scanning the inbox and telling it to add all senders for the last 6 months also does noting, claims there are no addresses to add. Also, I've told the bat to scan email address in the inbox to populate the recipient on a new mail and it fails most of the time. What to do? If I can't get that to work, she won't let me buy her a license. Also, sometimes or maybe always when sending a message new or resend, the bat automatically creates an attachment, called message.ht or something like that. How do I make it stop? Thanks, Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Title: Re: Address book weirdness Hello Gwen, Thursday, August 2, 2018, 11:30:36 PM, you wrote: > Which The Bat! version do you have? Newest one. > How did you scan the mail addresses in Inbox and Sent mails? Preferences->address history->scan folders for more addresses > Have you created a address book for the account in Address Book Yes > Have you selected for account settings a address book? Yes But besides that, why does add sender to address book do nothing. Does it not work on imap accounts? >> Also, sometimes or maybe always when sending a message new or >> resend, the bat automatically creates an attachment, called >> message.ht or something like that. How do I make it stop? > That happens if HTML mails are created. The attachment Message.html is > the HTML part of the mail and can not be removed. > If you do not want this attachment then you have to use plain text > mails which have no formatting. But she's use to windows mail and it doesn't have that weirdness. If it's just the message, why show it as an attachment? Why can't I hide if for simple users? Heck I'd hide it for me if I could as it just seems to be noise, same as separating the html and text portions of a message onto different pages. Why can I just have a message tab as that's whats important. Having to remember to check other tabs is onerous as is at some level showing all the embedded images as attachments. I'd be happy if I could see them if needed but all the time I spend seeing what they are is a waste. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Marck, Friday, August 3, 2018, 1:06:57 AM, you wrote: > I'd have a re-read of what you've written with the added insight that > HTML mail should NOT be the default and IS NOT the standard, but a > special case for when you have to enforce a specific presentation. While I agree with you mostly, and I appreciate the Bat for what it is, it's difficult to hand to a person who's use to a "normal" email program. The world uses HTML email and like sticking with DOS after Windows had won, trying to pretend HTML is not here to stay and has won is a recipe for a dying product. The Bat is an astonishingly complete product and it does a lot of things really well, but believing that email should be text based, while noble, likely insures long term business failure. Sadly the world has moved on, most of the mail lists I belonged to have been replaced by forums, many destined to fail because the membership is to small, a problem lists don't have. FWIW, the issue with hiding the embedded attachments for my wife is when she clicks the paperclip to download the promised attachment, either there was no attachment, just embedded images or there is an attachment but she has to find it among the 10 items, most of which aren't interesting to her. Look, I know I'm in a situation that's somewhat akin to trying to convince a Mac person to switch to Windows, but the point I make is valid and implementing a "Mail or Gmail or Outlook" style display choice would make this program much more approachable to the average person. It would make it much easier for me to introduce it to my clients, most of them like my wife. For them, they have no idea there is anything other than HTML mail. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Title: Re: Address book weirdness Hello Marck, Friday, August 3, 2018, 1:26:01 AM, you wrote: > Hate speech is not welcome. Your membership of this list is revoked. Thanks for that. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Gwen, Friday, August 3, 2018, 1:04:08 AM, you wrote: > Then disable the display of the attachments pane. > Workplace → Attached Files → Hide > Workplace → Attached Files → Show as button > Select what you and you wife like. Did finally find that and enable paperclip, but for her, every message has a paperclip and most have no actual attachments. Again as I said in the reply to Marck, the world has moved past text email and not seeing that makes it a difficult program to move simple users to. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)
Hello Marck, Saturday, August 4, 2018, 2:44:58 AM, you wrote: > I wouldn't like to see TB functionality compromised by smoothing out > that interface element at the expense of the ability to save message > parts externally in the correct content-type file type. > Perhaps a switchable option to "Attachments: Show all parts / Show > only real attachments" would provide the flexibility for power and > standard users alike. Thank you. That's all I'm asking for. I've no desire to make the program less flexible, I just want a "Friendly" button so when I install it at a clients, wife included, they don't say, this is to confusing. Heck, most of the time I wish all that stuff was hidden. It's not often I care about the structure of an email, I just want to read it and open or save the attachments if there are any. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Lüko, Saturday, August 4, 2018, 3:11:36 AM, you wrote: > Have you checked which address book is selected? > > I see in my case quite often that not my personal > addressbook is selected, but some LDAP database. > But, she has many address books and on my install I get a choice of which address book to add the email to, on hers it's as if I didn't even ask to have it added. Except for one of the folders where it does work. To the best of my knowledge the proper mailbox is chosen. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 Hello Maxim, Monday, July 23, 2018, 5:47:31 AM, you wrote: The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at There is something seriously wrong with filters. twice now I have had an email from one person filtered incorrectly. Once it moved her email to a mailbox in another account and today it will not move her email where it belongs even though the report at the end of the Re-filter command shows it processed that email and that it matched the filter it was supposed to. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 Hello Ira, Friday, July 27, 2018, 12:05:16 PM, you wrote: There is something seriously wrong with filters. twice now I have had an email from one person filtered incorrectly. Once it moved her email to a mailbox in another account and today it will not move her email where it belongs even though the report at the end of the Re-filter command shows it processed that email and that it matched the filter it was supposed to. OK, now I can explain the second one as it was marked as parked, but no error is generated saying a filter ignored a message because it was parked. But on the other hand, there is no way that message should have been marked parked as the first time that filter fires the message was just downloaded. The only filter that marks messages parked first moves them to a third folder before parking them so that one didn't fire either. Once I removed the parked flag, the filter ran just fine. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Paul, Friday, August 3, 2018, 10:51:28 AM, you wrote: > Perhaps choosing an email client that best approximates your wife's > style would be a better choice than beating up a very successful client > in a futile attempt to make it suit the whims of a single > user. OperaMail and Thunderbird come to mind I tried those before choosing The Bat, they both suck! -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.4.3
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: And yet more info. If the message is long, The Bat restarts, if the message is short, it doesn't seem to restart. No idea where short becomes long and changes the behavior. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.4.3
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: Here it exits ever time I send a message and then automatically re-starts. The only thing I can see in my messages folder that changes is ex_log.txt which has this line in it: v8.5.4.3 (BETA) 64-bit CAMARO/Ira_2 7/7/2018 7:07:41 PM.559 Language:File does not exist (C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.LNG) v8.5.4.3 (BETA) 64-bit CAMARO/Ira_2 7/7/2018 7:16:31 PM.767 Language:File does not exist (C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.LNG) -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.4.3
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: Sorry for the duplication, I wanted to test something that just happened when I first sent this message. I tested it the first time when it showed the "are you willing to use beta version x.x.x" message. and every time it restarted automatically it showed that message again. After I quit and restarted it, it lets me send one message and then exits on the second one and does not automatically restart. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.4.3
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: I tested it the first time when it showed the "are you willing to use beta version x.x.x" message. and every time it restarted automatically it showed that message again. After I quit and restarted it, it lets me send one message and then exits on the second one and does not automatically restart. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.4.3
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote: And now it's restarting by itself again without the beta first run message. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.6 MSI files
Hello Maxim, Saturday, July 7, 2018, 10:02:35 PM, you wrote: > Problems of previous versions that arose after sending a > message should be resolved in 8.5.6. Please confirm. Thank you so much, this fixes that most annoying problem. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.4.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.4 MSI files
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 11:23:17 AM, you wrote: > Please try The Bat! 8.5.4 MSI files: Up and running -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.2.8.4
Hello Martin, Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:47:15 AM, you wrote: > "Resend" copies the sent mail to Outbox and there you can edit it - so > where is the difference and where do you see this "Send Again"? It must be the "Messages=>Edit as New" feature that I renamed as Send Again because that's what I was used to its being called called. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.2.8.4
Title: Re: 8.2.8.4 Hello Ira, Thursday, March 15, 2018, 6:35:12 PM, you wrote: > Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 8:36:45 AM, you wrote: > I had to go back a version do to exception errors. So the message I'm replying to had an attachment and the Messages->Resend feature sent it again as expected. Never used it before because the Send Again feature lets me edit before sending. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.2.8.4
Hello Martin, Sunday, March 18, 2018, 11:47:15 AM, you wrote: > "Resend" copies the sent mail to Outbox and there you can edit it - so > where is the difference and where do you see this "Send Again"? I found Send Again when I was adding buttons to the tool bar. I used that feature in Eudora and it brings up the current message as a new outgoing message able to be edited and and then sent. I have send automatically set, so for me, clicking Messages=>Resend immediately resends the message. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Resend message w attachment broken
Title: Re: Resend message w attachment broken Hello Lüko, Saturday, March 17, 2018, 1:55:36 PM, you wrote: Of course. The msg needs to be copied or moved to the outbox first, then it can be resent. That is not true. I put a button on my toolbar named "Send Again" and it works on any email in any mailbox. The result is not always what you want, but it works, even to sending mails back to myself that seemingly come from the original sender. -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.2.8.7
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 9:59:13 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.2.8.7 since 8.2.8.6: > [-] (#0001455) TLS protocol error: Internal error GenerateKeyBlockCipher installed! -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
8.2.8.3
Hello, Just downloading two messages and this happened: Date: 26 Feb 2018 17:42:10 OS: Windows 10 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 16299 PhysMemFreeTotal: 007617/016278 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 0134217060/0134217727 MB MAPI #0: Eudora [Eudora]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\EuMAPI32.dll (not valid) MAPI #1: Windows Live Hotmail [Hotmail]; Path: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\hmmapi.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office15\OLMAPI32.DLL (not valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #4: The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #5: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid) MAPI #6: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Address: 005328DC ClassName: EAccessViolation Message: Access violation at address 005328DC in module 'thebat64.exe'. Read of address IsOSException: 1 Modules: 0040 20180225150203 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe Stack: 005328DC [0040] 00412B1A [0040] 005328A0 [0040] 00412B1A [0040] Date: 26 Feb 2018 17:42:20 OS: Windows 10 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 16299 PhysMemFreeTotal: 007707/016278 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 0134217134/0134217727 MB MAPI #0: Eudora [Eudora]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\EuMAPI32.dll (not valid) MAPI #1: Windows Live Hotmail [Hotmail]; Path: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\hmmapi.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office15\OLMAPI32.DLL (not valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #4: The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 32-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (not valid) MAPI #5: The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit [The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit]; Path: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\tbmapi64.dll (valid) MAPI #6: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Address: 0044EA46 ClassName: EOSError Message: System Error. Code: 5. Access is denied IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20180225150203 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe Stack: 0044EA46 [0040] 0044EA41 [0040] 00411F10 [0040] 0044EA41 [0040] 004104AD [0040] 00412E42 [0040] 0044EA41 [0040] 00411F3C [0040] 0044EA41 [0040] 00523AF7 [0040] 0040960A [0040] 0044E99D [0040] 0040F733 [0040] 00620C26 [0040] 005D0F53 [0040] 0041047E [0040] 0061E05E [0040] 00534240 [0040] 0062B63C [0040] 0040FA05 [0040] 007B00B8 [0040] 0079B24C [0040] 0043F0D0 [0040] 004128F9 [0040] 00412A1A [0040] 0044C5DF [0040] 005328A0 [0040] 00412A91 [0040] 00412B24 [0040] -- Ira Current beta is 8.2.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.6
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 4:55:10 AM, you wrote: One of the lists I follow just moved to groups.io and on my reply to the a message from the group I noticed that you replied to the sender, not to the reply to address. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.6
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 4:55:10 AM, you wrote: > The Bat! 8.6.0.6 is available at Seems to be working just fine. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.3
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 9:43:46 AM, you wrote: Just now tried looking at an IMAP mailbox I have access to. Some of the last few messages were displaying two copies of each and only one of the copies worked, the other gave an error. Refreshing the mailbox cleared up the error. I will watch for it and if it shows up again, I will keep the error message which I can't get any more. Apologies for that. Are there any logs that might be helpful? -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.3
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 9:43:46 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.6.0.3 since 8.6.0.2: Well, it's alive enough to get mail, haven't used it enough to say much else yet. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.3
Hello Maxim, Friday, January 18, 2019, 11:21:20 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.7.0.3 since 8.7.0.2: 8.7.0.3 seems to be running fine. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.19
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 11:36:06 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.6.0.19 since 8.6.0.18: > [+] Christmas Splash screen uses randomly one of five images It works enough to let me read and reply to this and I saw a splash screen! -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-downloading all the mails
Title: Re: Re-downloading all the mails Hello Thomas, Sunday, March 24, 2019, 1:08:26 AM, you wrote: Hello Ira, On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 00:08:55 -0700 GMT (24-Mar-19, 14:08 +0700 GMT), Ira wrote: Hello Thomas, Would be intersting to know whether he also travels a lot. In case you are still in contact with him. Never travels, never turns off the computer or the bat. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-downloading all the mails
Title: Re: Re-downloading all the mails Hello Thomas, Friday, March 22, 2019, 9:01:08 PM, you wrote: Thomas> Ira, are you still here? Does your friend travel a lot? I am here and I can't say, he's not complained in a while. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello Maxim, Maxim> What's new in 8.8.2.3 since 8.8.2.2: Reply does not respect the %TEXT or %QUOTES in the reply template. If I highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight nothing, it should bring in the whole message. It works like that in Forward and Redirect. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello Lüko, Monday, March 11, 2019, 3:52:27 PM, you wrote: >>>> If I highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight >>>> nothing, it should bring in the whole message. LW>>> That's like I would like it to work as default. So the actual problem is there are two different Replys both called Reply. One always quotes everything(Ctrl+R or Message=>Reply) and the other only quotes highlighted text(F4) but there is no way to tell them apart that I can see. Given that mess, it seems like a third one should be created that quotes all unless something is highlighted and then it only quotes the selected text. or just make it so Ctrl+R works sensibly, quotes everything or only highlighted. And please name them Reply Minimally and Reply Maximally or something that makes some sense. Also, for what it's worth the Item, "Reply to this Address" can not be added to a custom toolbar. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello Ira, Monday, March 11, 2019, 4:37:21 PM, you wrote: Ira> So the actual problem is there are two different Replys Ira> both called Reply. One always quotes everything(Ctrl+R or Ira> Message=>Reply) and the other only quotes highlighted Ira> text(F4) but there is no way to tell them apart that I can Ira> see. Given that mess, it seems like a third one should be Ira> created that quotes all unless something is highlighted and Ira> then it only quotes the selected text. or just make it so Ira> Ctrl+R works sensibly, quotes everything or only Ira> highlighted. And please name them Reply Minimally and Reply Ira> Maximally or something that makes some sense. Also, for Ira> what it's worth the Item, "Reply to this Address" can not Ira> be added to a custom toolbar. So there are 12 choices in the customize toolbar tool for reply. I think there are actually only 4 versions of reply or maybe only 3, Don't use quick Reply so I don't know if there are one or two versions of that. And many of them do not have a reply Icon. That makes figuring out what is what really difficult. And the menu, Message Reply does not show it's shortcut key, nor does it indicate there is more than one way to reply meaning most people will never understand how the program works! While I do understand why some people might want the F4, no or highlighted quoting version, I have no idea who would want to be stuck with always the quotes everything ignoring what is highlighted version or as I put it, the obviously ignoring what I want version.. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.16
Hello Maxim, Friday, February 8, 2019, 11:23:10 AM, you wrote: > What's new in 8.7.0.16 since 8.7.0.15: > [-] Sometimes there could happen account duplication I'd suggest not trying this one or saving 15 before installing 16. All my accounts but one disappear with this. -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
> That's the thing about intellectual property, time and effort > contributed for free, and the attitude of programmers, > as compared to those of us who want something for free from them. He > might be thinking that a person who > is capable of adapting his code would also be capable of writing the > plugin from scratch. Let them do that. Has anyone asked if he'd be willing to sell it? Is this the Adobe XMP file spec we're talking about or something else? Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.14
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 31, 2019, 11:05:00 AM, you wrote: > [-] Fixed templates when editor is HTML (BETA issue) Not quite! My Template is: > Hello %OFromFName, > > %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: > > %Quotes > %Cursor > > -- Ira When I select a message and hit reply I get everything but the "%Quotes" piece. If I highlight text I get the highlighted text as the "%Quotes" piece. And the really odd one, if I select 2 messages and press Reply, one reply is empty and the other is quoted properly. Ira -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt)
Title: Re: The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt) Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 8:44:27 AM, you wrote: Maxim> Digital signature timestamp (signing time) of the 64-bit Maxim> version is 18:26:26, and of the 32-bit version is Maxim> 18:26:49. Please make sure you have THE version with the Maxim> digital signature timestamp mentioned. Claims it won't use my V8 license, so not installed. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.9.6
Title: Re: 8.8.9.6 Hello Maxim, Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 3:43:59 AM, you wrote: Maxim> What's new in 8.8.9.6 since 8.8.9.5: Wow, lost all of my customized tool bars. I realize it's a beta, but that really sucks. Also, on the icon list when using the tool bar customizer, would it be possible to sort them in alphabetical order? Trying to find a button now is kind of like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Was there ever an option to display words and icons on a toolbar? -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.7
Title: Re: 8.8.2.7 Hello Maxim, Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 1:02:23 PM, you wrote: Maxim> Did anybody try 8.8.2.7 released on May 3rd, 2019? it's running here for about 30 seconds so far, here are the links for those that didn't get them: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8827-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8827-64.rar -- Ira Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost emails
Title: Lost emails Hello, I use Mailwasher to pre scan and delete all the spam before downloading. Today I had 11 messages to download after cleaning and 10 of them are gone. Downloaded, but nowhere to be found. Normally, I can quit and restart the bat and they come back, but today I lost all those emails. I've searched by subject, sender and text and not one of them made it into a mailbox. There are a lot of things I can put up with in an email program, but pretending to download and then deleting from the server so they are lost forever is not one of them. I wish I could tell you what happened, but everything seems the same as always. V 8.8.9.9 Thanks, Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost emails
Title: Re: Lost emails Hello MAU, Sunday, July 28, 2019, 11:32:34 AM, you wrote: are lost forever is not one of them. I wish I could tell you what happened, but everything seems the same as always. Have you taken a look at the account log? It should tell you is they were downloaded, perhaps filtered, and to which folder. Thank you, I didn't know that existed. And now I know where they went and why, not a Bat problem, a mailing list server problem. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost emails
Title: Re: Lost emails Hello Richard, Sunday, July 28, 2019, 12:31:42 PM, you wrote: The "Recycle Bin" tab in Mailwasher should allow you to recover the 10 missing messages. where might this be? I assume it's gone as I quit the program and the trash empties when I close The bat. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5)
Title: Re: TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5) Hello MAU, Monday, July 29, 2019, 7:18:52 AM, you wrote: He is referring to the "Selective Download" filters, the last group of filters in the Sorting Office. So you're indicating that if I set that for never download more than 2 weeks, that at no time will more than 2 weeks of mail be downloaded even if the program somehow decides to download everything? -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Lüko, Saturday, July 20, 2019, 12:41:09 AM, you wrote: TheBAt! should have two separate lists, selectable by a TAB, one of the real attachments, the other the nested list of all body parts. I see no reason to have a list of nested body parts, I just want the email displayed complete. Though I would be perfectly happy with a somewhat hidden way to get that list if I ever see a reason why I might care. It's an email program, just show me the email the way the sender saw it, certainly not as a list of attachments and pieces. If the sender did choose the "paperclip" to attach the file, it's not an attachment and should not appear as such. I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read them. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Lüko, Sunday, July 21, 2019, 8:34:03 AM, you wrote: That's OK, but I also understand from your statement that you do not understand the MIME structure of today's emails in the first place. I'm a user, not an author. I don't care one tiny bit about rules or structures having to do with how email is formatted for transmission. I just want to read, send, organize filter and search my emails. All that stuff you're arguing about has nothing to do with the users of an email program. If it just reasonably displayed the email without all the tabs and attachments showing all the individual pieces and inline pictures and other noise id would be better at being an email program. It does all the filtering, searching and organizing stuff as well or better than anything, but it falls behind on the most basic requirement of just displaying an email so it's easy to read and understand. I don't care if other programs are broken and make life hard, that's not my problem. It just makes the puzzle a bit harder, but solvable. There is so much time spent dissecting and arguing about why it works the way it does or why it can't work the way it should, but that's all noise. Just make it work like every other email program ever written. Or at least make it an option to hide all the noise. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Friday, July 19, 2019, 7:10:47 AM, you wrote: Gleason> Qualcomm, which produced the (at one time widely used) Eudora email client, now Gleason> defunct. They gave it to Mozilla where it has gone no where. It died because someone thought Thunderbird with a Eudora looking theme would be enough, but Thunderbird is so far conceptually from what Eudora was, it could never get close. I tried it. It called itself Eudora, imported all my Eudora stuff, but then I had to use Thunderbird which sucks so I kept using Eudora till it started crashing and then moved to The Bat, something good enough for my needs that I could live with it. But the list of the Bat's idiosyncrasies is is long and troubling and no one seems to care to fix them. You know, really basic stuff like properly displaying a message with text and html. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Friday, July 19, 2019, 2:42:09 PM, you wrote: Gleason> HTML being a moving target. That might have something to do with why Gleason> browsers require such frequent updates. Good enough reason to let people Gleason> use MS libraries to view html email like The Bat does. Then stop showing emails without attachments as having a dozen or more attachments. I can live with messed up display, but having to dig through a list of attachment or tabs of different types of text only to discover I'd already read it all is absurd. As for that matter is defending it as the best there is and denying it's full of issues. I would never argue its not the best there is, if with the knowledge I have I didn't think that I'd be using something else, but that does not change the fact that it's rather severely broken with seemingly almost no hope of it ever being fixed. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Maxim, Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:04:21 AM, you wrote: Maxim> We are still committed to compatibility with Windows XP How many customers still use XP? I bet it's in the single digit percent and you're better off leaving them behind. No one who has any inkling of security will still be using XP on an internet connected computer. Decisions like that are probably what will end up killing the product. Personally I like the Bat, but I just wish you'd fix the bugs and not worry about new features. I'd guess that involves a lot of rewriting sections from scratch given the number of times seeming unrelated bugs pop up after what should have been simple fixes. I refuse to use online mail and I use the Bat and have just had to accept that you'll never fix the bugs and I just have to put up with the annoyances, but it's not a way to make sure your customer base expands. When people ask me about email programs , I tell them about the Bat, but I always have to include cautions about the weirdness of how it works and the bugs that never get fixed. Give what it is capable of, it should be considered the best and most flexible, but the apparent inability of the programming staff to finish it, keeps it far from being the best choice for quite large percentages of the population. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Monday, July 15, 2019, 10:55:48 AM, you wrote: Gleason> So give The Bat a fair chance. It is the best out there relatively. I do give it a fair chance and I always upgrade, but that doesn't mean it's not broken. Personally, not one piece of software I've written has any known bugs. I'm embarrassed when bugs get reported in my software and so I make them go away. Sometimes for my embedded stuff that pays bills, at my expense, I jump on an airplane to visit a customer or make new PC boards with a bunch of LEDs so the customer can tell me where the problem happens. I'm not so generous for my freeware, but I rarely let bugs last past the next day. I just couldn't live with myself. So when bugs in a program I pay for don't get resolved I tend to think the either people at the top don't care or the people writing the code aren't up to the task. But the Bat seem to be the best there is, so I tolerate it's foibles. But that makes it difficult to recommend. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:55:49 PM, you wrote: You do embedded work. I bet you are paid well, and you can afford the luxury of jumping on an airplane to fix somebody's problem. Yes, I do embedded work. I own the company, so I can do what I want and yes I could afford it, but out of more than twenty thousand users only 5 had the problem so like many other companies, I could have ignored it, but I can't. Companies who don't want bugs, work at getting rid of them. It's a task that has to be done and yet many authors consider it drudge work. I made my living working on custom accounting systems for small businesses fixing other peoples broken code, I think it's fun, that's seemingly rare, but it has to be done. Or eventually, even the loyal ones will leave. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Hello Richard, Thursday, September 26, 2019, 1:36:41 PM, you wrote: Hello Maxim, MMvT> [!] This alpha version requires a key for The Bat! version 9 in MMvT> order to run. It will not run with version 8 key unless in the "evaluation" mode, if any. Are you going to provide Beta testers with a complimentary V9 key? Or even a discount code for the upgrade. My time in V9 is about to run out and this question has never been answered which means I'll be going back to V8 at least temporarily. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Hello Maxim, When I customize the menu at the top of the message list to show the button "JUNK" from the message tag list, every time I re-start The bat, it is replaced with the complete list of Message tags, not the one I selected. How do I get a code so I'm not in demo mode? -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Hello Maxim, Also from a UI point of view, people don't read side to side, they read top to bottom so unless you can come up with suitable icons for all of these, the way this menu appears is not proper. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA)
Title: Re: 9.0.0.1 (ALPHA) Hello Maxim, Installed and working, but my first reaction is I hate it. The interface is painfully slow. if I drag my mouse across the ribbon I can get 5 or 6 buttons lit up at the same time. And everything else about working with the editor and messages seems slower than before. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.20
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20 Hello Maxim, Thursday, November 14, 2019, 2:00:26 PM, you wrote: Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.20 (ALPHA) is available at Customize toolbars no longer lets me customize toolbars. Nor can I get my custom toolbar back that I unchecked. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.21
Title: Re: 9.0.0.21 Hello Maxim, Sunday, November 17, 2019, 7:33:25 AM, you wrote: Maxim>> [-] (#0001842) Folder cannot be deleted (ALPHA issue) Far as I can tell, this still does not work. And please will you fix the customize dialog on the main window so I can make The Bat usable again. It's got to be a trivially simple problem to repair. I unchecked a custom menu of mine and have not been able to get it back for the last 4 versions. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.21
Title: Re: 9.0.0.21 Hello Maxim, Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:14:09 AM, you wrote: Maxim> 3 people have confirmed that this bug was fixed. Maybe so, but I have a folder called "deleteme" that I've been trying to delete for awhile that I still can't delete It's highlighted in that picture and neither the delete key, nor right clicking and choosing delete, nor choosing Folder->Delete has made it go away. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.20: Control has no parent window
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20: Control has no parent window Hello Maxim, Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:30:51 AM, you wrote: Maxim> Hello mse, Maxim> Friday, November 15, 2019, 7:23:47 PM, you wrote: M>>> In the Editor window, when changing from HTML Only to HTML/Plain M>>> text (on the bottom status bar), or the other way around, I get M>>> the Control 'TRichViewEdit($0C43F960)' has no parent M>>> window. M>>> Any confirmation? >> I can confirm that. Maxim> Does it still happen in 9.0.0.22? I could not reproduce Maxim> that! Tried both 32-bit and 62-bit versions. I could not duplicate this in the 64 bit version. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.20
Title: Re: 9.0.0.20 Hello andrei, Friday, November 15, 2019, 12:48:50 AM, you wrote: Ira, Could you please create an issue in bug tracker and attach screenshots ? Here's pictures of what I get when I pick customize: Don't know what else I can do. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.22
Title: Re: 9.0.0.22 Hello Ethan, Monday, November 18, 2019, 7:04:20 AM, you wrote: Ethan> When working inside a message, 64 bit Ethan> Letter in the major headings (e.g., Message, Edit, Search are Ethan> underlined) Ethan> Press the alt key and Message is highlighted Ethan> The items in the menu list cannot be accessed using the Alt command. Ethan> The can be access by mouse. Ethan> I think this is a bug. Ethan> Can anyone else confirm when working in the message window? The Alt key opens the top level menu. After that underlined letters in the menu items are shortcuts that use letters with or without Alt keys. The problem you have is there is no shortcut(underlined letter) to open the Insert menu. To make sure that's correct, I just checked in a VB application I wrote and underlined letters do indeed open nested menus with and without the Alt Key. If it was me, I'd set the menu up like this so every entry had an underlined letter: Address Picker Insert Character Case Evaluate Advance Address Search Insert Quick Template Create a Quick template Attach Personal vCard Add a File -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.25
Title: Re: 9.0.0.25 Hello Maxim, Maxim> [-] (#0001835) Toolbar customizer window is too narrow (BETA issue) Up and running There is still no way to customize toolbars. The window is bigger, but the contents are wrong for customizing toolbars. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: unregistered issues
Title: Re: unregistered issues Hello Maxim, Saturday, October 19, 2019, 1:14:23 AM, you wrote: Maxim> Are there other bugs of the current alpha series which Maxim> are not included at https://bt.ritlabs.com/ in the "New Maxim> Release Specific" category!? Maxim> -- Are we on 9.0.0.9 or 9.0.0.10. I'm running 0.9 but when I went to Mantis it shows 0.10 so I don't want to report anything. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.12
Title: Re: 9.0.0.12 Hello Maxim, Thursday, October 24, 2019, 11:02:55 AM, you wrote: Maxim> What's new in 9.0.0.12 since 9.0.0.11: Installed and working but all the problems I reported in the last version are still there: I have a custom button bar at the top of the message panel which includes the message tag, "JUNK" but every time I quit and re-start "JUNK" is replaced by the complete list of tags. This is new in V9In this version when I start TB, the Quick search and Standard items are properly not displayed but after re-configuring my custom button bar, they suddenly appear.Closing the Quick Seach box causes a Access violation error. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.11
Title: Re: 9.0.0.11 Hello Maxim, Saturday, October 19, 2019, 10:18:24 AM, you wrote: Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.11 (ALPHA) is available at Was I the only one who was supposed to get this? Still has some problems: I have a custom button bar at the top of the message panel which includes the message tag, "JUNK" but every time I quit and re-start "JUNK" is replaced by the complete list of tags. This is new in V9 In this version when I start TB, the Quick search and Standard items are properly not displayed but after re-configuring my custom button bar, they suddenly appear. Closing the Quick Seach box causes this: -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.24
Title: Re: 9.0.0.24 Hello Maxim, Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 11:27:57 AM, you wrote: Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.24 (BETA) is available at On the File Menu, Forward as Text and Flags both use "F", Print and Print Preview both use "P" On the Specials Menu Add Sender and Reply to Sender both use "S", Add Recipient and Create Filter both use "C" -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.23
Title: Re: 9.0.0.23 Hello Maxim, Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 3:40:59 AM, you wrote: Maxim> The Bat! 9.0.0.23 (BETA) is available at Up and running but I still can't Customize the tools bars. is there any way to get back to version 12 or something where it worked so I can repair my install and then get back to testing again? -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.26
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26 Hello MAU, Sunday, November 24, 2019, 5:34:52 AM, you wrote: MAU> Hello Ira, MAU> Are you aware (and when I say aware I mean aware) that you are using MAU> alpha and or beta versions of TB? If you are not happy using them, MAU> nobody forces you to do so. Revert to the latest release version that MAU> you were used to, and pleasantly wait for the next release. I am fully aware of that. I will point out that I've been pointing out functionality that's been removed and seemingly replaced with something that's both not as good, not as full featured and seemingly not near ready for alpha. I've been on many many betas and alphas starting in around 1985. I'm here to try and help make one of my most important programs better. I repeat myself because I got no replies and that new "feature" seem to have dramatically reduced the functionality of The Bat. At least it has for me. This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out. -- Ira userdef.xml.bak Description: Binary data 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.26
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26 Hello MAU, MAU> That's why I suggested reverting to previous release until there is a MAU> new release version. But then I don't get to break it and right now it's very broken. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.26
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26 Hello Ira, Sunday, November 24, 2019, 11:55:56 AM, you wrote: This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out. Actually, it's worse than I thought. Every time I try to make a custom toolbar and exit The Bat , it will not start again until I delete userdef.xml. Opening up userdef.xml seems to me to reveal that what it's saving looks nothing like what I thought I created. The format of userdef.xml is a bit unclear, but I'm reasonably sure that's a true statement. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.28
Title: Re: 9.0.0.28 Hello Maxim, Monday, November 25, 2019, 9:03:28 AM, you wrote: Maxim> [-] Fixed bugs in userdef.xml file handling in 64-bit version of The Bat! (BETA issue) Thank you, this seems to be all better. Could you please sort the items in the toolbar customizer in alphabetical order. I'm trying to add "Edit as New" and while I know it's there, finding it is an exercise is frustration as there seems to be little rhyme or reason to the order. Conceptually I do understand the order, but since I don't know where that command is supposed to be, the only sensible solution is to alphabetize them or add a way to search. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.26
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26 Hello Ira, Saturday, November 23, 2019, 10:06:53 AM, you wrote: Hello Maxim, So I finally figured out I can use that thing that pops up when I do customize to drag buttons around, which is slightly better than nothing, but there is no way I can see to insert a separator and lots of the old selections are not there. Also, there is no way to add or change an icon for a command that is missing one. Again, no that I can see. OK, I figured out how to add a separator, but it's not very obvious. I still can't see how to add an icon to a button with none and I can't find what used to be, "Reply quoting only selected text" or forward quoting only selected text. Seems like maybe a new macro in addition to $Quotes that is "quote selected only." It's just often impolite to quote a whole message when you're only replying to one point, especially if the last person quoted the whole bloody weekly dump. Also, when I choose forward, the formatting of the text is lost and it's all word wrapped into noise. I believe that's the $Text macro. Maybe ther also needs to be a $Formatted macro that retains formatting. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.26
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26 Hello Maxim, So I finally figured out I can use that thing that pops up when I do customize to drag buttons around, which is slightly better than nothing, but there is no way I can see to insert a separator and lots of the old selections are not there. Also, there is no way to add or change an icon for a command that is missing one. Again, no that I can see. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
