Re: 9.2.2 MSI

2020-07-13 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/13/2020  2:44 PM

Hi The,

On 7/13/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

STvT> Dear All, 

STvT> Version 9.2.2 MSI is available

STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-2.msi
STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_32_9-2-2.msi


STvT> Here is a list of changes for this maintenance release:

STvT> [+] Taskbar icon badge for unread messages
STvT> [*] Separate animation options for taskbar and tray icons
STvT> [-] Rearrangement of the toolbar/menu items was not properly stored
STvT> [-] Search text box (Ctrl+F) for additional windows was popping over the 
main window
STvT> [-] Manual HTML images download was switching active tabs in the message 
preview pane
STvT> [-] Separate message viewer was losing focus while opening HTML messages
STvT> [-] It was not possible to tab out of HTML viewer

Running well here. Like the peppy performance!

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Re[2]: 9.2.2 MSI

2020-07-13 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/13/2020  2:41 PM

Hi Martin,

On 7/13/2020 you wrote:

>> Version 9.2.2 MSI is available

>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_32_9-2-2.msi

M> Up and running.

M> Except issue on top still exists with screen size: 1280x1024.

This doesn't happrn here on Win 7.

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Re[2]: 9.2.1.2

2020-07-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/9/2020  4:19 PM

Hi Marek,

On 7/9/2020 you wrote:

MM> OK, do what You want, I have LPT ports if You want ;-)

Might need them.  Still using 2...

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Re[2]: 9.2.1.2

2020-07-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/9/2020  11:14 AM

MM> Guys,
MM> no  offense, but Windows 7? Really in 2020? I have used them too, but 
MM> it  was  discontinued  5  years ago and there are no security updates 
MM> either.

I  run  a  multi-million  dollar  business on win 98...   Wine, beef and
cheese  improve  with  age...   Because I am 78 years old I can't do the
same things I did 10 years ago??

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Re[2]: 9.2.1 - final MSI / Toolbar customisations lost?

2020-07-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/4/2020  6:56 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 7/3/2020 you wrote:

>>> Here are the final MSIs of the 9.2.1 release -

>> My toolbar customisations are lost when I close and re-start TB!

TF> Is this confirmed by others? I am currently on my production machine
TF> and cannot test betas, and this would be a show-stopper for me. I
TF> cannot lose my toolbar customisations on the production machine.

TF> I'd like to upgrade this machine because of the much better HTML
TF> support.

Doesn't happen here since 9.1

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Re[2]: 9.2.1.0 MSI

2020-07-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/2/2020  6:46 AM

Hi Stuart,

On 7/1/2020 you wrote:

>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1-0.msi
>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-1-0.msi

>> I notice,  with the current version, that when hovering over a link in an 
>> HTML 
>> message that the link will show the underlying  address. It does seem a bit 
>> inconsistent though as sometimes it shows up beside the cursor and sometimes 
>> at 
>> the bottom of the screen, and others not at all. Confirmations?

SC> Still an issue with the final .msi. Links seem to show the first time it is
SC> selected and then the second time doesn't show.

Happens here on select messages. Some do... and some don't

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Re: 9.2.1 - final MSI

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/1/2020  3:23 PM

Hi Stefan,

On 7/1/2020 you wrote:

STvT> Dear All,

STvT> Here are the final MSIs of the 9.2.1 release - 

STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1.msi
STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-1.msi

STvT> With these MSIs, we've solved the problem with TheBat.lng getting
STvT> deleted on upgrading from the previous release and the startup
STvT> screen mess is reduced should be reduced a bit.


STvT> Thank you very much for your great help with releasing of this version!

STvT> We're still deciding on the improvements we'll be working on the
STvT> new Beta cycle, but here is what we are looking on:

STvT> - replace HTML editor 
STvT> - make fixes for GnuPG interaction
STvT> - add support for Outlook.com and Yahoo OAUTH
STvT> - add dark theme support
STvT> - improve Virtual Folders so it'll be use folder grouping (like
STvT> all Inboxes, all of a color, regexp)
STvT> - add some interesting functionality to the preview pane
STvT> - improve address book UI/UX

STvT> I could forget to name some other points of interest,  so please
STvT> feel free to add anything to this list :-)

U & R  FAST install!! Thank You Very Much!

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Re[2]: 9.2.1.0 MSI

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/1/2020  10:54 AM

Hi Stuart,

On 7/1/2020 you wrote:

>> Cannot confirm.  Works as expected here. Win 10 issue?

SC> So all  your HTML messages work that way. I have this issue with different 
links
SC> in the same message.

I  have  seen  this  on  rare  occasions.  Those  links did not open the
webpage...  Switching  to plain text showed the actual link and clicking
it would open the webpage.

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Re[2]: 9.2.1.0 MSI

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/1/2020  8:52 AM

Hi Stuart,

On 7/1/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

>> Version 9.2.1.0  MSI is available

>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1-0.msi
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-1-0.msi

SC> I notice,  with the current version, that when hovering over a link in an 
HTML
SC> message that the link will show the underlying  address. It does seem a bit
SC> inconsistent though as sometimes it shows up beside the cursor and 
sometimes at
SC> the bottom of the screen, and others not at all. Confirmations?

Cannot confirm.  Works as expected here. Win 10 issue?

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Re: Slow display of preview of HTML message

2020-07-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/1/2020  7:09 AM

Hi Gwen,

On 7/1/2020 you wrote:

>> Version 9.2.1.0  MSI is available
>>
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1-0.msi

G> When i select a already fetched message (POP3) in message list, it 
G> takes 1-3 sec to display the HTML part.

G> Known issue?

Works virtually instantly here. Win 10 issue?

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Re[2]: 9.2.0.9 RC3 ( opening https://ad.doubleclick.net/ automatically)

2020-06-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/30/2020  8:19 AM

Hi The,

On 6/30/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

M> Hello Stefan,

>> Hello MAU, 
>>
>>> Just  selecting  certain  HTML  messages in Message List automatically
>>> open  browser  at  page https://ad.doubleclick.net/, without having to
>>> click inside message.
>>
>> Please send me an example so I can test it. Thank you! :-)

M> Here you are. Thanks.

Works here too!  This is Serious stuff...

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Re: 9.2.0.6

2020-06-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/24/2020  1:02 PM

Hi The,

On 6/24/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

STvT> Dear All, 

STvT> Version 9.2.0.6 is available from

STvT> EXE with CEF binaries:

STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.6-x32-full.7z
STvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.0.6-x64-full.7z

STvT> Here is  a short list of changes:

STvT> [-] (#0002037) (Beta) Font Size for selected text could not be changed by 
just pressing Enter
STvT> [*] (Beta) Reverse Tabs scrolling direction when they are scrolled by 
mouse wheel
STvT> [*] Memo Autoview visibility is now maintained between sessions
STvT> [*] (Beta) CEF instances are shutdown in a more correct manner now
STvT> [-] mail.ru OAUTH was not working
STvT> [-] (Beta) Set default icon of utility windows to The Bat! icon
STvT> [-] (Beta) zoom was not working in CEF HTML viewer

Running well. Thank You Very Much!

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Re[2]: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/18/2020  11:43 AM

Hi Stefan,

On 6/18/2020 you wrote:

>> ** Do not place as default download all images on the HTML Viewer **

STvT> I also think that allowing download external images is not a good
STvT> idea, but the reality is - many HTML messages are so badly laid out
STvT> that it's almost impossible to read them without images downloaded and
STvT> (more important) people just think that program is not working right,
STvT> so it just turns many people away and/or creates additional pressure
STvT> to our support. What I would agree here that there is some work to be
STvT> done to make people aware of the external links problem and provide as
STvT> much sensible options/tools as possible.

>> The Bat! was created as a very secure email client and usually all the
>> options related to security and to avoid spam had as default option to
>> be secure.

STvT> The Bat! was created as a comfortable email client in the first place,
STvT> so it's a really tough choice you're talking about! :-)

I  have  been  doubleclicking  browser  icon in "un-readable" html for 2
decades.  Why  duplicate the effort of the browser in an email client? I
never  had  a problem explaining  this to my clients. Almost all of them
since  1998  have  appreciated  the  merits  of  The  Bat! handling html
messages.  I use Maildroid on all my Android devices because it emulates
The Bat! behavior.

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Re[2]: 9.2.0.3

2020-06-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/17/2020  7:36 PM

Hi The,

On 6/17/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

N> 2 suggestions.

N> ** Do not place as default download all images on the HTML Viewer **

N> The Bat! was created as a very secure email client and usually all the 
N> options related to security and to avoid spam had as default option to 
N> be secure.

N> I see the default option after the HTML viewer change it's to download 
N> all external resources (Automatically download all)

N> IMHO  this  option  should be set by default to the more conservative 
N> option "Download all resources only manually"

N> ** Tooltip/hint  on  links of the HTML Viewer **

N> I used this feature to see with url a link has below it. This was very
N> useful  for  pishing emails which usually are very very similar to the
N> original ones but the links point to a fake domain.

  Agreed!

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Re[2]: Kinda roadmap ;)

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/10/2020  10:05 AM

On 6/10/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

>> Except...  not even Microsoft use the IE engine any more. Edge browser
>> on  Win10  uses Chrome. I am not enthusiastic about keeping ties to an
>> API that the maker no longer uses.

>> The  TB  native rendering engine doesn't do a great job for me. A tiny
>> percentage of HTML mails show correct formatting at my end so I end up
>> reluctantly  relying  on the system HTML renderer (despite the lack of
>> obedience to the download manager).

TF> Fully agree. I could make a long lsit of problems with TB's internal
TF> HTML rendering engine, but that is moot if we will get a compeltely
TF> new one anyway.

TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

I  have  been opening html messages with a browser since v. 1.1. Nothing
like  using  the right tool for the job. This policy has never failed me
yet...

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Re[2]: Future of Beta Testing

2020-05-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/30/2020  10:13 AM

Hi The,

On 5/30/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

STvT> Hello Ethan,

STvT> Shortly,  I  am  going  to  send  a  message to the group about future
STvT> developments.  I  hope you excuse me for the delay, it's just a lot of
STvT> things  I  need  to  do  and  pay  attention  to  creates extreme time
STvT> shortage.

STvT> Please stay tuned!

You got it!

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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-23 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/23/2020  8:21 AM

On 4/22/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF Kindly support https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1998

>>> Did it.

>> Thanks. I am putting this reply in the Outbox now, testing the new
>> 18.MSI. Then, I will open it again and wait.

>> This is the edited version.

TF> So, what happened is that the message stayed in the Outbox, unparked,
TF> while I had opened it in the editor again. I waited two sending
TF> perdiods (my TB is set to send/receive every 10 minutes, so I waited
TF> almost 30 minutes), and the message did not get sent.

TF> So, while there is no "park" icon, it appears that the problem is
TF> fixed in 9.1.18 (but I tested it only once). Can anybody confirm?

I get a similar experience... Nice it seems fixed. Not nice there was no
announcement. I vote for closing the incident report.

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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/22/2020  11:59 AM

Hi The,

On 4/22/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello Paul,

TF> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:23:00 -0400 GMT (21-Apr-20, 19:23 +0700 GMT),
TF> Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>> Messages used to be "parked" when opened again from the Outbox in the
>>>> editor, to prevent this problem. That's how it should be.

G>>> My account fetches all 2 minutes.
G>>> If i put a mail in Outbox, reopen it, change something, the Autosave
G>>> feature (Editor settings, after 60 sec) detects changes and sets to Parked.
G>>> So no previous mail can be sent from Outbox.

G>>> But you are right, for better usability the message should be switched
G>>> to Parked if opened in editor.

G>>> Please report that as a bug to The Bat! bugtracker.

>> Saving  an edited Outbox message will Park it... It does Not Park while
>> editing! You and Thomas are correct. I support the bugtracker entry.

TF> Here you go: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1998 Thank you very
TF> much.

Done.

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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/22/2020  11:57 AM

Hi The,

On 4/22/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello Andrew,

TF> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:46:47 +0930 GMT (21-Apr-20, 18:16 +0700 GMT),
TF> Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>>> Over here it is 10 minutes. Please try opening the mail again and
>>> re-read, maybe edit, when the time hits and TB sends messages. It will
>>> send this message, even though you have re-opened it and are editing
>>> it.

>> Can confirm. Is this an error? I've been using TheBat! since very late
>> v8 builds, maybe behaviour was different earlier on.

TF> I consider it an error (bug), because TB does something the user does
TF> clearly not intend. If he wanted the original version to be sent, he
TF> wouldn't have opened it again in th editor.

TF> Kindly support https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1998

Did it.

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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  1:46 PM

Hi Viktor,

On 4/21/2020 you wrote:

VK> Still:
VK> - I compose a message, have it saved to Outbox
VK> - I reopen the message
VK> - Message is not parked, it has a clock symbol
VK> - Message doesn't get send "under my hands" - not by scheduled
VK> sending and not by manual Alt-F2 on the main window

Is this also true using the latest beta:  9.1.16.3 ?
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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  11:19 AM

Hi The,

On 4/21/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

M> Hello Paul,

>> After 30 years it is not "normal".

M> A  few  days  ago,  in a different thread, you claimed you had 32 years
M> experience  with  TB. Am I  correct in thinking that you started using
M> TB before Ritlabs was founded?

No, you are correct. It should have been 22 years...
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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  8:26 AM

Hi The,

On 4/21/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

M> Hello Thomas,

>> I click with the mouse on the "Put message in Outbox" icon. And the
>> message doese get put into the Outbox. When they then open it again,
>> it is not "parked", i.e. the version that was put into the Outbox is
>> sent even though I am editing it again.
>>
>> And that is a bug.

M> I  will  try  to  confirm  it later, but I don't think it is a bug but
M> normal  behaviour.  Like Zann suggests in his message, I think you may
M> be  confusing  "putting  in  the  Outbox"  with "saving as Draft", the
M> difference  being that the first does not park the message (that's why
M> it  will be sent with a combined delivery), while saving as draft does
M> park it and will not be sent until you unpark it. That's what I think,
M> but I am not 100% sure.

After 30 years it is not "normal".

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Re: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  8:23 AM

Hi The,

On 4/21/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello TBBETA,

TF> Steps to reproduce:

TF> I have the account set to send/receive every 10 minutes.

TF> Compose a message.
TF> Put it into the Outbox
TF> Open it again from the Outbox, for editing.
TF> While it is being edited, the previous version will be sent

TF>  ***

TF> Messages used to be "parked" when opened again from the Outbox in the
TF> editor, to prevent this problem. That's how it should be.

TF> Any confirmations?

Agreed

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Re[2]: Message is being sent while being edited

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  8:19 AM

Hi The,

On 4/21/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

G> Hello The,

G> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020, at 14:03:43 [GMT +0700] (which was 09:03 where I
G> live) Thomas wrote:

>> Messages used to be "parked" when opened again from the Outbox in the
>> editor, to prevent this problem. That's how it should be.

G> My account fetches all 2 minutes.
G> If i put a mail in Outbox, reopen it, change something, the Autosave
G> feature (Editor settings, after 60 sec) detects changes and sets to Parked.
G> So no previous mail can be sent from Outbox.

G> But you are right, for better usability the message should be switched
G> to Parked if opened in editor.

G> Please report that as a bug to The Bat! bugtracker.

Saving  an edited Outbox message will Park it... It does Not Park while
editing! You and Thomas are correct. I support the bugtracker entry.

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Re: 9.1.16.3 (BETA)

2020-04-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/20/2020  5:12 PM

MMvT> The Bat! 9.1.16.3 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb91163-32.rar
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb91163-64.rar

MMvT> What's new in 9.1.16.3 since 9.1.16.2:
MMvT> [-] The Bat! didn't start if Windows interface language was Korean
MMvT> [-] (#0001982) Adding a shortcut in the customizer leads to an Access 
Violation error
MMvT> [-] (#0001991) Toolbar customization was not saved in the message
MMvT> list window (the windows of an opened email message)
MMvT> [-] (#0001976) Shortcuts in message list tabs do not work

The  ongoing issues with Toolbar customizations must be corrected before
another  MSI  is  released. Toolbar customizations are part of the heart
and soul of The Bat! My clients and I rely on this functioning properly.
Plrase, I beg you, correct this problem.  Thank You Very Much!

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Re: 9.1.14 (was: 9.1.12.1 - Toolbar settings not remembered)

2020-04-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/14/2020  5:40 AM

Hi The,

On 4/13/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello Gwen,

TF> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:12:15 +0200 GMT (13-Apr-20, 23:12 +0700 GMT),
TF> Gwen wrote:

>>> Interesting that you use 9.1.14 - I thought I had the latest version.

>> Final 9.1.14 was released
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/de/products/thebat/download.php

TF> Thanks. I didn't see an announcement here (Max will usually link the
TF> .msi here for testing), nor did TB advise me "a new version is
TF> available" upon startup as usual.

TF> --

TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

Same here...

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Re[2]: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address

2020-04-13 Thread Paul Van Noord
Title: Re[2]: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address


4/13/2020  6:47 AM





Hello Thomas,

Sunday, April 12, 2020, 7:13:13 PM, you wrote:





As mentioned, you can just keep[ typing. In fact, if I type an address and it matches more than one AB entry, I get a 




Copy and past this address into the to field of a new email:

 i...@extrasensory.com
 
 Now highlight "ira" and try to change it to some common name in your address book. In my experience it will almost immediately hange the how address to the first matching email in your address book even thought I wanted to send it to t...@extrasensory.com. If there is data after the cursor, it should not be be autoselecting a new address from the address book until there is a complete match.

-- Ira



Agreed!

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Re[2]: 9.1.12.1

2020-04-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/10/2020  4:17 PM

Hi The,

On 4/10/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

M> Hi The

M> On Friday, April 10, 2020 7:00:39 PM you wrote:

>> The Bat! 9.1.12.1 (BETA) is available at
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb91121-32.rar

M> Messed up top toolbar and not storing setup after "Customize" problem
M> still exists...

Thank  You  Very  Much!   I  think  I will pause betas until the toolbar
issues are resolved.

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Re[2]: Full-height account tree (was: The Bat! 9.1.10)

2020-04-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/10/2020  9:15 AM

Hi The,

On 4/10/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

M> Hello Thomas,

>> If  you  also move the main menu to the right (as in my screenshot),
>> will your account tree go all the way to the top?

M> No,  it  will  not.  See  attached. Only if I move main menu to set as
M> floating the account tree will move to the top. See att.

Same behavior here...

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Re[2]: Address Book files juming all over the place

2020-03-03 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/3/2020  6:59 AM

Hi The,

On 3/3/2020 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello Thomas,

TF> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:16:46 +0700 GMT (03-Mar-20, 13:16 +0700 GMT),
TF> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> The addressbook files are in C:\Download now. I can assure you I
>> didn't move them there.

>> The problem has existed for a few versions. Can anybody confirm?

>> Attached a partial screenshot, but all teh *.ABD files are also in
>> this directory, with older dates.

TF> Attached now.

TF> --

TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

TF> Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit)
TF> under Windows 10.0 Build 18363

I want to know why/how this happened Thank you for discovering this!
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Re[2]: Next unread message (crtl-]) Re: The Bat! 9.0.6 MSI files

2019-12-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/1/2019  12:49 PM

Hi The,

On 12/1/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> So, if others confirm that crtl-right works, this is a non-issue and
TF> the bug report can be closed.

TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

TF> Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9.12 (BETA) (64-bit)
TF> under Windows 10.0 Build 18363

Works here...

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/15/2019  6:53 AM

Hi The,

On 9/15/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> Hello Lüko,

MMvT> Saturday, September 14, 2019, 12:15:00 AM, you wrote:

>>   BTW, I could not see much of those screenshots — they are miniature and I 
>> could not enlarge them because they are on Facebook and I am not subject to 
>> Mr. Zuckermans's spying.

MMvT> Your argument is quite reasonable. Should we make more
MMvT> screenshots, we will publish it on our own website.

MMvT> Our website uses "Facebook Pixel" script on the download page.

MMvT> If you don't want Mr. Zuckerman to know that somebody from your
MMvT> IP address have visited The Bat! download page, please add the
MMvT> followng line to the file C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts :


MMvT> 0.0.0.0 connect.facebook.net

Thanks Max.

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/12/2019  9:22 PM

Hi The,

On 9/12/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> Hello Peter,

MMvT> Thursday, September 12, 2019, 11:38:08 AM, you wrote:

>> Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable to 
>> a classical UI.
>> Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in
>> achieving any given task. I see that with my customers every day - and with 
>> myself as well.

MMvT> The ribbons what you saw are automatically generated from the
MMvT> same resources as the menu. So we will make an option to choose
MMvT> whether the user wishes to have a good old menu or the ribbons.

Thank You Very Much!

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/12/2019  9:36 AM

Hi The,

On 9/12/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

TF> Hello Maxim,

TF> On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 06:42:13 +0300 GMT (12-Sep-19, 10:42 +0700 GMT),
TF> Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote:

>> (cross-posted to TBUDL, TBBETA)

>> Hello,

>> What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
>> which is currently in development?

>> You can see the screenshots at
>> https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

>> If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank 
>> you!

TF> It's not so easy. I would have to try them to say whether I like them.
TF> On first sight, they look a bit overloaded.

I second this...

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
Title: Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9


9/12/2019  9:34 AM

Hi The,

On 9/12/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:





Maxim,

I don't like ribbons either.  But maybe that is the old guy, resistant to change view.  Ribbons don't seem
to be going away.  Anyway, I don't think putting all functions in a toolbar is a good idea.  Too much to
search through for the function I am looking for.  Is there a way of grouping/organizing that makes the location of
a function obvious while not hidden in a multitude of other functions I almost never use?

On the other hand, I have spent much time searching the old tool bar designer for functions I need, like
Open Reply.  Where could it be hidden, I wonder?  

Ribbon or not, making things easy to find is the problem to solve.



Indeed!

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/12/2019  9:32 AM

Hi The,

On 9/12/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

AS> Hello Maxim,

AS> Thursday, September 12, 2019, 1:12:13 PM, you wrote:

>> You can see the screenshots at
>> https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

AS> I think that in 2019 blocking subset of FB domains sounds like a
AS> reasonable idea... After spending some minutes solving Google captchas
AS> in Tor Browser, I don't have any particular feelings about the new
AS> interface.

AS> Hope that text under icons can be hidden and duplicated toolbars are 
AS> bug, not a deliberate design choice (screenshot attached).

AS> My main concern is this:

>> "developers also mentioned that the PGP internal implementation will
>> be removed"

AS> For myself, functional PGP/GPG is absolutely crucial. If multitude of
AS> present GPG-related bugs are not eventually fixed in v9, I would need
AS> to either switch back to Claws or move to Thunderbird/Enigmail combo.
AS> Both are free applications by the way.

AS> This would be unfortunate as I have recently purchased TheBat! license 
AS> and would like to continue using it.

Well said!

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Re[2]: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9

2019-09-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/12/2019  9:29 AM

Hi The,

On 9/12/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

PHG> Hello,

>> What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
>> which is currently in development?

>> You can see the screenshots at
>> https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

PHG> Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable 
to a classical UI.
PHG> Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in
PHG> achieving any given task. I see that with my customers every day - and 
with myself as well.

A M E N !!

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Re[2]: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/16/2019  8:09 AM

Hi The,

On 7/16/2019 Gleason wrote:


G> It seems to me that Rit Labs is an economic marvel.  They have
G> produced the best product on the market and remain viable in a niche
G> that many others have found bankrupting.

How true!

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Re[2]: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/15/2019  2:08 PM

Hi Gleason,

On 7/15/2019 The you wrote:

G> So give The Bat a fair chance.  It is the best out there relatively.

Agreed!

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Re: 8.8.2.8

2019-05-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/10/2019  1:55 PM

Hi The,

On 5/9/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> The Bat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-32.rar
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-64.rar

MMvT> What's new in 8.8.2.8 since 8.8.2.7:
MMvT> [*] Minor changes in build scripts


MMvT> 
MMvT>  Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
MMvT> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Works well here.

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Re: Google API User Policy for The Bat! Email Client

2019-03-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/24/2019  8:36 AM

Hi The,

On 3/24/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> Hello Tbbeta,

MMvT> Please review Google API User Policy for The Bat! Email Client

MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/google-api-data-user-policy.php

MMvT> Should we add some more information for it to be clearer or
MMvT> easier to understand? Are there errors (e.g. grammar) that we have
MMvT> overlooked? Thank you in advance.

Looks good to me.

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Re[2]: Re-downloading all the mails

2019-03-23 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/23/2019  8:23 AM

 I set a friend up with the Bat and he has this one occasional
 annoying problem. Every once in awhile, The Bat decides to
 download all the mail on the server instead of just the mail
 since the last time the mail was downloaded.
 He uses POP3 and has Keep Mail on server set to 5 days.

>>> I can confirm this, it has happened to me for several versions.
>>> Happened also to two of my friends.

>>> Please see my posting mid:1466693960.20180130091...@gmx.net dated 30
>>> Jan 18.

>> It just happened again with this very email account.

TF> It has happened again with my company email with version 8.8.2. I also
TF> received an email from a friend with a lower version, who is currently
TF> in Baku with slow internet, and TB! wants to download all mails again.

TF> Nobody else on this list has confirmed it yet. What do my friend and I
TF> have in common, which might not be shared by the members of this list?
TF> - We both travel a lot do different countries, many of them developing
TF> countries.

TF> Can this somehow have anything to do with the hick-up?

TF> Ira, are you still here? Does your friend travel a lot?

Is it possible that the host is the common factor...?

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Re[2]: Image Crop

2019-02-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/26/2019  8:03 AM

Hi The,

On 2/26/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:


MP> On 25 February 2019 at 22:39 andrei.sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote and
MP> made these points

TBL>> We are reading all of your posts here,
MP> ... 

MP> Whatever  the  ancient  listman folks used to say, I have always had a
MP> problem  with  doubly  addressed  messages to lists. I have had many a
MP> heated  conversation  with  die hard "but we always did it like this -
MP> it's  the  standard"  attitudes,  which  make  no  sense  and  have no
MP> discernable logic, however many times I've heard the excuses.

MP> The  list  engine will send the message to the intended recipient as a
MP> part  of  its  proper  process.  Whatever  the arguments about visible
MP> addressing issues (which individual on the list you may be writing to)
MP> that  individual  is spammed with a double message - one from you, one
MP> from the list.

MP> Add to this the problems in filtering with a doubled up "to" entry.

MP> Then  further complicate this by making this list address secondary in
MP> the "to" header.

MP> I,  as list owner and moderator insist that you do not do this. Please
MP> only  put a single address in the "to" field - I found this post in my
MP> spam trap!

MP> If  you  are  utterly desperate for the hapless addressee to receive 2
MP> copies  of  your  message,  then address them in the CC field. Oh no -
MP> that goes back to your own address. What?

MP> I  respectfully  request  that  you  review  your use of email address
MP> header fields.

Agreed! Well said...

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Re[2]: The Bat! v8.8 MSI files

2019-02-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/22/2019  7:16 AM

On 2/22/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

LvT> Martin:

>> I just set up an old Gmail account with Thebat. I set the name and
>> address and connetion type to "auto". So I got the login window from
>> Google - there I set username and password and the setup was done - I
>> see all the mails on this Gmail account. No crash, no problem at all.

LvT> So What? I have other 2 gmail accounts, they never had that problem at all
LvT> whatsoever. I repeat, there are 2 separate problems:

LvT> 1) the failed oauth procedure CRASHES TB. This is UNACCEPTABLE and MUST be
LvT> solved because with that unsolved YOU CANNOT UPGRADE.

LvT> 2) for some reason, some change in version after 8.2.4.3, in some cases, 
was
LvT> not compatible with the way Gmail works. Workarounds to THIS problems ARE 
NOT
LvT> A SOLUTION to the 1) problem, and CANNOT BE TESTED until 1) get solved.

It  is obvious your problem is limited to the offending account. Archive
what messages you need on Google and then delete the account in TB. Next
delete the account on Google. Use CCleaner to clean out your Registry.
 Reboot.
 Start a new account

 Better  to  run away from Google... Free & fool are both 4 letter words
 starting  with  [f].  Also  don't  assume...  it  gets  in  the  way of
 discerning the truth.

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Re: 8.7.0.7

2019-01-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/21/2019  11:21 AM

On 1/21/2019 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> The Bat! 8.7.0.7 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8707-32.rar
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8707-64.rar

MMvT> What's new in 8.7.0.7 since 8.7.0.6:
MMvT> [-] (#0001666) If email addresses were errorneously separated by
MMvT> spaces (not by comas or semicolons) in an address line, The Bat! took 
only the first one
MMvT> [*] Contents of the "Organization" header line is not
MMvT> automatically appended in parenthesis to the sender's address
MMvT> header line on display if the contents of the Organization has a
MMvT> "@" character or a parenthesis or an angle bracket
MMvT> [*] The Bat! ignores message header address line comments that contain 
"@" characters

Looks good here - 32 bit.

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Re[2]: The Bat! v8.7 Christmas Edition MSI files

2018-12-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/26/2018  10:25 AM

Hi The,

On 12/26/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

CaDitC> Hello Maxim,

CaDitC> With  this  version,  the language (English) function has disappeared.
CaDitC> The  mail  message  edit screen shows "no language" at the bottom, and
CaDitC> the drop-down from the "ABC" button is empty. 

Works as expected here.

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Re: The Bat! v8.7 Christmas Edition MSI files

2018-12-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/24/2018  11:40 AM

MMvT> Please try The Bat! v8.7 Christmas Edition MSI files:

MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-7.msi
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-7.msi

MMvT> What's new in The Bat! version 8.7 Christmas Edition since
MMvT> version 8.6:
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7199/

 Very nice. Thank You Very Much!  Merry Christmas!

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Re:

2018-12-16 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/16/2018  10:01 AM

Hi The,

On 12/16/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

G> Hello Maxim,

G> you should consider storing the Splash images in program folder (instead
G> incorporating in exe) and resize dependant on DPI of output device.

Agreed.

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Re[2]: 8.6.0.19

2018-12-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/14/2018  2:15 PM

Hi The,

On 12/14/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

DT> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 11:23:27 PM, you wrote:

DT> MMvT>> [+] Christmas Splash screen uses randomly one of five images
>> Wasted effort. Splash goes by so fast it is virtually unnoticed.

DT> Really? The splash screen stays a good 5 seconds if not more here.

Same here.

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Re: 8.6.0.20

2018-12-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/12/2018  12:49 PM

Hi Maxim,

On 12/12/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> The Bat! 8.6.0.20 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86020-32.rar
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86020-64.rar

MMvT> What's new in 8.6.0.20 since 8.6.0.19:
MMvT> [-] Christmas images were improperly incorporated

Thanks! Purring like a kitten.

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Re: 8.6.0.7

2018-11-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/2/2018  3:22 PM

Hi The,

On 11/2/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

MMvT> The Bat! 8.6.0.7 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8607-32.rar
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8607-64.rar

MMvT> What's new in 8.6.0.7 since 8.6.0.6:
MMvT> [-] Fixed some issues that might cause folders configuration file 
(account.flb) to be lost
MMvT> [-] (#0001560) Color palette is not entirely displayed in table 
properties under high DPI
MMvT> [-] (#0001548) Rename labels and change colors selector bug
MMvT> [-] Fixed some IMAP-related Access-Violation errors
MMvT> [+] (#0001425) Added wizards to find and manage duplicates in the address 
book

Purring like a kitten!

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Re[2]: Address book weirdness

2018-08-03 Thread Paul Van Noord
8/3/2018  1:18 PM

Hi The,

On 8/3/2018 The Bat Beta wrote:

I> Did finally find that and enable paperclip, but for her, every
I> message has a paperclip and most have no actual attachments.

I> Again as I said in the reply to Marck, the world has moved past text
I> email and not seeing that makes it a difficult program to move simple users 
to.

Perhaps  choosing  an  email  client  that best approximates your wife's
style  would be a better choice than beating up a very successful client
in   a   futile   attempt   to   make   it  suit  the  whims of a single
user. OperaMail and Thunderbird come to mind

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Re[2]: Hovering on a link

2018-03-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/24/2018  11:20 AM

Hi Stuart,

On 3/24/2018 Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SC> Ah, OK.  I just changed the HTML viewer to TB viewer. That fixed the issue.
SC> It does not work with the Windows OS HTML viewer.

Makes  sense  to  me.  I  have  always  used  TB's viewer for its safety
feature.  One  click  to  open  HTML  messages, when necessary, is cheap
insurance. Has worked well for my customers and me for 20 years.

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Re[2]: Hovering on a link

2018-03-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/24/2018  7:47 AM

Hi Stuart,

On 3/23/2018 Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SC> Mine would have been plain text not HTML. This reply should be
SC> HTML. Does The link to my email below work?

SC> --
SC> Best regards,
SC>  Stuartmailto:skcuddy@fastmail.f

Works here!

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Re[2]: [Wish] Add "Paste from clipboard"-Button to Enter Registration Code window

2018-03-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/17/2018  11:48 AM

Hi MAU,

On 3/17/2018 MAU wrote:

M> Hello Paul,

>> When  dealing  with  the  masses simplicity is always the best choice. A
>> paste  button  fits  simplicity  better  than  any  other  and  needs no
>> explanations...

M> Of  course,  of course. Simplicity. Would you say that The Bat! is the
M> most recommended email client for masses due to its simplicity?

No.  That is precisely why it is incumbent on the likes of you and me to
set  it  up in a manner that makes usage for the masses simple...  It is
simply using the KISS theory, "Keep It Simple Stupid".

I  smile  every time TB auto-pastes the registration code, but, it blows
the mind of most of my customers!

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Re[2]: [Wish] Add "Paste from clipboard"-Button to Enter Registration Code window

2018-03-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/17/2018  8:48 AM

Hi MAU,

On 3/17/2018 MAU wrote:

>> I cannot confirm right now, but I guess it is faster to add a paste
>> button to the GUI once, than repeatedly answering the "How do I paste 
>> the registration key"-question. So it might also be a net win for 
>> Ritlabs.

M> There may be an even easier way. The email that Ritlabs sends with the
M> Registration  code, aside of other explanations includes the following
M> paragraph:

M> ,- [  ]
M> | To finish the registration, click on "Help|Enter Registration Code"
M> | and use the following information:
M> `-

M> This  text  could  be  changed  to *clearly* explain how to proceed to
M> finish registration. My preferred text would be:

M> ,- [  ]
M> | To complete registration:
M> | Click on "Help|Enter Registration Code" while viewing this message.
M> `-

M> But  perhaps  it  could  also include/explain the possibility of using
M> Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V.

When  dealing  with  the  masses simplicity is always the best choice. A
paste  button  fits  simplicity  better  than  any  other  and  needs no
explanations...

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Re[2]: [Wish] Add "Paste from clipboard"-Button to Enter Registration Code window

2018-03-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/17/2018  7:37 AM

Hi mse,

On 3/17/2018 mse wrote:

m> I cannot confirm right now, but I guess it is faster to add a paste
m> button to the GUI once, than repeatedly answering the "How do I paste 
m> the registration key"-question. So it might also be a net win for 
m> Ritlabs.

Agreed!

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Re[2]: Sorting and first message

2018-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2018  6:26 AM

Hi MAU,

On 2/24/2018 MAU wrote:

M> Or leave it as it is. It is just one click to restore the original sorting.
M> +1

Why "fix" what ain't broke?

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Re[2]: on IMAP - 50k mails lost index

2017-12-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
Title: Re[2]: on IMAP - 50k mails lost index


12/30/2017  9:06 PM 

Hi Eddie, 

On 12/30/2017 Eddie wrote: 





Hi Paul, 

--->>> Paul Van Noord / Wednesday 27-Dec-17, 20:28:18 
       on IMAP - 50k mails lost index 

E>> In an IMAP account connected to Google I have nearly 50k mails in 
E>> one folder. Some times back . 

> Move  (or delete) 49k and see what happens It is a Google thing, not 
> TB! 

A Happy New Year to all of you 


Thanks for your suggestion Paul.  
Shall it be moved within the gAcount or taking it outside completely? 
Further, do you suggest I delete the index file on TB! so as it will be recreated?  

Create an archive folder gmail or remove them from gmail... 

Index file should update itself after shutting TB down and restarting. 

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      Eddie             | on Windows 7 6.1 
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Re: on IMAP - 50k mails lost index

2017-12-27 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/27/2017  8:23 AM

Hi Eddie,

On 12/26/2017 Eddie wrote:

E> In an IMAP account connected to Google I have nearly 50k mails in
E> one folder. Some times back - maybe 2-3 weeks ago - all of them were
E> marked as "not having loaded". The letter icon (to the left) was for
E> all grayed out (see attachment - hope it gets through). And only when
E> you move the cursor to one of them it would read the mail from server and 
that icon gets a solid color.
E> There are two problems I face with this:
E> [1] when I have internet connection it does not automatically reload
E> (or maybe it does but very very slow)
E> [2] sometimes I am on a limited connection that the reloading not
E> only eats volumes but also takes indefinite time.

Move  (or delete) 49k and see what happens It is a Google thing, not
TB!

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Re[2]: Christmas Edition MSI

2017-12-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/24/2017  1:51 PM

Hi Maxim,

On 12/24/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> Hello Curt,

MM> Sunday, December 24, 2017, 7:13:31 PM, you wrote:

>> Clean install!

MM> Thank you for the prompt feedback! I will make it available on the download 
page then.

Text book perfect installation!

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Re[2]: The Bat! and Mailsplit Vulnerability

2017-12-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/11/2017  7:33 AM

Hi Maxim,

On 12/11/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

>> I just did a test and I can confirm the problem is real.

MM> We are now working on the first of the test messages.

MM> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1364

MM> This is not a trivial fix.

Understood,  but  has  very high value. When you have finished with this
issue I think it is worthy to be version 9 which I will be happy to buy!

Thank you for your effort!

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Re[2]: A new icon as account logo?!

2017-12-06 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/6/2017  10:31 AM

Hi dimitar,

On 12/5/2017 dimitar tomov wrote:

dt> I have the tick on all accounts with unread messages, both POP3 and IMAP.
dt> Working with 8.0.14.1 and 8.0.14.2

Same behavior here.

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Re: A new icon as account logo?!

2017-12-05 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/5/2017  7:33 AM

Hi Lüko,

On 12/5/2017 Lüko Willms wrote:

LW> What does this mean? How can I control the presence of this icon?

Merely a harmless indicator of an active account. I like it...

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Re: 8.0.14.2

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/4/2017  7:50 AM

Hi Maxim,

On 12/3/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> The Bat! 8.0.14.2 (BETA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80142-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80142-64.rar

MM> What's new in 8.0.14.2 since 8.0.14.1:
MM> [-] Fixed an access violation at startup
MM> [-] (0001358): Quick search filter doesn't clear filter on empty filter text
MM> [-] (0001355): UI elements misplaced in filter conditions

Working well here.

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Re[2]: Quick Search can not be reset anymore.

2017-12-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/2/2017  1:02 PM

Hi Viktor,

On 12/1/2017 Viktor Kabelac wrote:

VK> Hello Paul,

VK> Wait a moment please - did you suggest in your earlier responses that I
VK> should refrain from hitting enter, that typing in a search string would be
VK> enough to _filter_ the message list - or did I misread  you?

VK> Lüko Willms - so it seemed to me - suggested quite the opposite - Enter
VK> would be necessary to filter a folder.

VK> Can you please shed a bit of light on this for me?
=>> Thank you! :)

  Enter search string in QS
Message list highlights first ascending matching entry
  Press Enter to filter message list
Click on highlighted message list tab to close filter

In  order  to  be successful with Quick Search, Message List Tabs must be
enabled.

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Re[2]: Quick Search can not be reset anymore.

2017-12-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/1/2017  9:05 AM

Hi Lüko,

On 12/1/2017 Lüko Willms wrote:

LW>I use TheBat since version 5, I believe (since early 2012 at
LW> least), and I can't remember a different behaviour. 

I agree.  Been using TB since v. 1.1 in 1998.

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Re[2]: Quick Search can not be reset anymore.

2017-11-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/30/2017  7:12 AM

Hi Viktor,

On 11/30/2017 Viktor Kabelac wrote:

VK> Something tells me that the empty search term shouldn't be considered when
VK> entered in the search field and the whole addition not done. Or am I
VK> missing the point in searching for an empty string?

Refrain  from  pressing Enter.  Quick Search is always "live".  Pressing
Enter sets the tab to receive additional search criteria

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Re[2]: Quick Search can not be reset anymore.

2017-11-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/30/2017  6:57 AM

Hi Viktor,

On 11/30/2017 Viktor Kabelac wrote:

VK> Pressing Enter always created a new tab - correct?
Correct

VK> Could it be that in the earlier versions, you could enter the quick
VK> search text and have the list filtered without pressing Enter (which
VK> would have created the tab before, too)?
Yup. This is exactly how it works here right now.

VK> I also see another behavior I'm not sure I saw before:
VK> - enter the name of one of us in the mailing list's message list, say 
"viktor".
VK> - pres enter, a tab will be created with the text "viktor"
VK> - select the search text, delete it, press Enter
VK> - *another tab* will be created sporting "viktor +"
=>> Can anyone reproduce and possibly explain this?
Why  do  you  press Enter? Deleting the text in Quick Search returns the
message  list  back  to  the previous state before doing a Quick Search.
There is no need for using the Enter key unless you wish to create a Tab
for the search criteria.  For me it is brilliant!

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Re[2]: Quick Search can not be reset anymore.

2017-11-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/29/2017  7:03 AM

Hi Volker,

On 11/29/2017 Volker Ahrendt wrote:

VA> But I do not use Message List Tabs¹ and I do not plan to use these.

VA> ¹) Workspace|Message List Tabs

Very handy tool... highly recommended!

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Re: 8.0.14 MSI files

2017-11-27 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/27/2017  7:44 AM

Hi Maxim,

On 11/27/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> Please test 8.0.14 MSI files:

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_32_8-0-14.msi
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_64_8-0-14.msi

MM> What's new in 8.0.14 since 8.0.12?
MM> [-] Fixed issues of 8.0.12 MSI.

Running well here.

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Re: 8.0.12 MSI files

2017-11-25 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/25/2017  4:51 PM

Hi Maxim,

On 11/25/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> Please test 8.0.12 MSI files:

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_32_8-0-12.msi
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_64_8-0-12.msi

Running well, installed quickly.

Paul

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Re: 8.0.10.4

2017-11-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/24/2017  8:13 PM

Hi Maxim,

On 11/24/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> The Bat! 8.0.10.4 (GAMMA) is available at
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80104-32.rar
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb80104-64.rar

MM> What's new in 8.0.10.4 since 8.0.10.3:
MM> [-] (#0001343): Quick Search in Message List does not use focused tab for a 
refined search
MM> [-] (#0001332): Impossible to insert tables from MS Excell into HTML Quick 
Templates
MM> [-] The Bat! Splash Screen did always report "Professional Edition" even if 
there was Home Edition.
MM> [-] (#0001344) The spash-screen of v8 does not recognize the Home Edition
MM> [-] (#0001347) The spash-screen does not go away if the program is
MM> automatically started and minized on Windows startup, or just when
MM> the program was started minimized and then restored
MM> [-] (#0001337) HTML Table editor is unavailable
MM> [-] (#0001235) Untranslatable string in the Connection Center

Running smoothly.

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Re: 8.0.8 MSI files

2017-11-13 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/13/2017  8:47 AM

Hi Maxim,

On 11/13/2017 Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM> Hello Tbbeta,

MM> Please test 8.0.8 MSI files:

MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_32_8-0-8.msi
MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_64_8-0-8.msi

MM> What's new in 8.0.8 since 8.0.6?
MM> [-] (#0001313) Opening addressbook entry having multiple mail adresses 
breaks stored adresses

Smooth!  Thanks!
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Re[2]: [TBbeta] Please configure Mailman to insert an ID for this list in the Subject line (was: Ping ... )

2017-09-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/1/2017  12:53 PM

Hi Lüko,

On 8/31/2017 Lüko Willms wrote:

LW>No, if after having explained at least 10 times what I am doing,
LW> I still get treated like an idiot,
Perhaps you are experiencing responses to your obvious invitation...

LW>This is for discussing how to fix the errors in the program, not
LW> to lecture experienced users like me.
Thankfully no other forum user is as "experienced" as you!

LW>And you start even insulting me! You go too far.
You have been a great example of the inappropriate.

>> it's a good practice in mailing lists not to send in HTML messages. 

LW>   Maybe in this mailing list, but then this is a tiny exception. No
LW> other of the dozen or more I am subscribed to is text only.
LW> Unfortunately configuring text-only for this mailing list in TheBat!
LW> doesn't work. It is tedious to do this on a message by message
LW> basis...
It  is  profoundly  more  tedious to endure your profusion of inaccurate
drivel.

LW>   Besides, this outmoded refusal of HTML formatted messages here
LW> might be related to the serious failings of  TheBat! in dealing with
LW> HTML messages, which needs urgent attention to be fixed. 
Allow me to introduce you to Outlook: 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-com/
Then  it  will  not  matter  that  you have not properly configured your
signature. It requires more than profound arrogance to become competent.

LW>  - 
LW> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
LW> Lüko Willms
LW> mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de

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Re[2]: 7.4.16.44

2017-07-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/26/2017  8:14 AM

Hi Martin,

On 7/26/2017 Martin wrote:

>> why do you post so annoying message to the list?

M> Hmm - seems a quite strict judgement to me. "tbbeta" it a BETA list,
M> so error logs are not really "annoying", IMHO.

True...

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Re[2]: Suggestion: The Bat! for Android

2013-09-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/30/2013  7:32 AM

Hi Rick,

On 9/30/2013 Rick wrote:

R There is a 3rd party app for Ipads that will let you run
R your computer via wireless. You can load the Bat, check mail, delete - move 
mail etc.
R Just saying ...

TeamViewer is the king here...

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Re[2]: TB non-closure prevents Windows shut down

2013-09-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/20/2013  8:26 PM

Hi Ira,

On 9/20/2013 Ira wrote:

I Hello Rick,

I Friday, September 20, 2013, 10:33:28 AM, you wrote:

 Windows has an issue that has caused serious data loss for some
 people. It gives the program not responding when in fact the
 program is working in the background.

I It gives the message program not responding when the program stops
I responding to user events. It seems like W8 shows that a bit faster
I than W7, but it's not a bug in Windows.  Conceptually it's caused
I by bad design of the program getting the message which should never
I stop processing events or should have at least put up a This will
I take a long time, please wait message or a progress bar so you would know 
it was still alive.

Seems so easy to close running programs _before_ shutting down windows
so one can observe what is taking place...

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Re[2]: IMAP/POP not connecting

2013-09-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/18/2013  8:38 AM

Hi Rick,

On 9/17/2013 Rick wrote:

E Any idea what went wrong? 
 Ask your service provider...
R Yes and be ready for them to tell you that NOTHING is wrong
R Been there, done that

Ditto.. But that is where his problem lies.

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Re: IMAP/POP not connecting

2013-09-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/17/2013  6:21 PM

Hi Eddie,

On 9/17/2013 Eddie wrote:

E Dear all,

E A very strange Connection Error I got.
E One account I run under IMAP and POP (don't ask me why I am trying
E out something).  This is so since a long time and worked perfectly.
E Today IMAP refused to Login and POP refused to send my eMail.

E IMAP/POP ERROR says (both same): !Tue  17. Sep 2013, 18:07:24:
E IMAP  - Could not connect to the server. A connection attempt
E failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a
E period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has 
failed to respond

E When I log into from browser it succeeded without any problems. I
E them tried again IMAP - not successful, then I send the eMail on
E POP - successful, then I tried to connect again on IMAP - successful.

E Any idea what went wrong?

Ask your service provider...

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Re[2]: TB always shows address book addresses in To dropdown - MORE INFO

2013-03-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/29/2013  8:35 AM

Hi Tony,

On 3/29/2013 Tony Hoare wrote:

TH TB! really does have it all.

It is like a big box of candy. After eating the top layer you remove
the divider and find a second layer. After eating the 2nd layer you
remove the divider and find a third layer...  Fantastic!  Now, how do
we discover and digest all that is there???

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Re[2]: Addressbook counters

2013-03-08 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/8/2013  11:24 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 3/8/2013 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

MS Because there is no direct synchronization between Google Contacts and
MS The Bat!

TF ... and I hope it stays this way. I won't entrust any personal data
TF to the G company. Just saying.

Applause!!

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Re[2]: Incoming message filtering stopped working??

2013-02-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/15/2013  7:07 AM

Hi Vilmos,

Isn't it amazing how the obvious becomes obscure...

Take Care,
Paul

=== Your Message Below ===

Received From: Vilmos Kertesz  macas...@gmail.com
   On: 2/15/2013  6:55 AM

 Does  any else have the same problem? I am reluctant to reinstall as
 I have 22 accounts (don't ask) an more than fifty filers, some quite
 complex.

VK The solution is: DON'T USE/TEST beta versions if you can't handle what
VK comes with it.

VK Vili


VK 
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Re[2]: TB 5.3.6.0 on Win7

2013-01-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/2/2013  7:53 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 1/2/2013 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF But the periodical check every 10 minutes has taken a leave of
TF absence, and I have to check manually. Let me see why this happened.

TF I had a BSOD (yes, under Win7!) and hence restarted the computer. Now
TF everything works as expected. Go figure.

stuff might have been lurking in memory. Many programs are guilty of
leaving scraps after they are closed. Reboot is aspirin for the
computer and the first thing to do if things are not as they should
be.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: FR: a macro for software edition

2012-11-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/30/2012  4:01 PM

Hi Ivan,

On 11/30/2012 Ivan Pozdeev wrote:

Who cares about if TB Home or TB Prof is used... It would unnecessarily 
increase the code.

IP The participants of this list do.

What percentage? I don't.

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Paul

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Re[2]: v5.3.1 Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS

2012-09-27 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/27/2012  8:47 AM

Hi Viktor,

On 9/27/2012 Viktor Kabelac wrote:

VK Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 3:02:52 PM, you wrote:

VK right - TB 4 did give you the choice to forward them all
VK to one address or open up in separate editors.
VK I wonder why the authors didn't just add the third option to it (forward as
VK attachments).

VK Also the message that ultimately makes it to the text of the joint message
VK is the last message selected...probably the first would be more logical
VK and a choice to the user even better.

Agreed! Great thoughts.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-06-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/15/2012  8:24 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 6/15/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF For actaul working, POP is best.

   Yup!

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there

2012-05-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/20/2012  8:41 AM

Hi Carsten,

On 5/20/2012 Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:

CGS Probably the best (and easiest) way to handle this would be that
CGS a VF, while open, does not remove any messages automatically, and
CGS only adds the new ones. Removing only takes place once you either
CGS refresh manually or leave the VF. That's how v4 handled it and it 
definitely made sense.

Agreed... see below...

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filtering out messages

2012-05-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/11/2012  7:53 PM

Hi MAU,

On 5/11/2012 MAU wrote:

M I fully agree. After so many years of marking the messages as read with
M Ctrl+M (or my customised Space bar) it is many times a nonsense having
M to scroll through a long message with Smart Space just to mark it as
M read.

Agreed!!

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Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5? (Securing your hardware) :)

2012-05-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/2/2012  3:53 PM

Hi RS,

On 5/2/2012 RS (FEDARA) wrote:

RF Last  thing  is that I do not have much trust in IMAP and leaving your
RF data  on  some  server ; even big companies lost customers data due to
RF mistakes  -  you can call me old fashioned here but if it's lost I can
RF only blame myself :)
Agreed!

RF As  for  now  I  use non-encrypted TB! installed on separated
RF TC container and it works good for me.
Me too!

RF I  used  on-fly-encrypted  version  first  I  installed TB! but had to
RF switch  to  none-encrypted  due  to some problems I had with it (don't
RF remember now what it was ; reported it on BugTraq but it's gone now).
For me it was unrecoverable corrupted mailbase files.

RF Tried  to  use  Voyager that is on-fly-encrypted on my 32GB USB but it
RF didn't  work  good. I mean here that Voyager worked good but sync to a
RF my desktop failed 3 times in a raw so I just gave it up.
Same here.

Thanks for the thorough explanation. It is comforting to know there is
someone with similar experiences and similar solutions.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-05-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/1/2012  11:36 AM

Hi Tony,

On 5/1/2012 Tony Hoare wrote:

 IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my
 future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP.

TH What security issues do you see in IMAP?

The message base is not local.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-05-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/1/2012  11:56 AM

Hi Raymund,

On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote:

RT Hi Paul,

TH What security issues do you see in IMAP?
 The message base is not local.

RT That is a security issue only if you think your mails aren't save as
RT long as they are on a server. This is also true for POP3 as long as
RT you don't get the mails every second.

If it were only this simple.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-05-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/1/2012  11:56 AM

Hi Rick,

On 5/1/2012 Rick wrote:

 The message base is not local.

R Is that not the nature of the beast? If you want security, us POP 

Yup!

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-05-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/1/2012  9:41 PM

Hi Vilius,

On 5/1/2012 Vilius Šumskas wrote:

VŠ If  an  attacker  is  in possesion of mail server it doesn't matter if
VŠ it's  IMAP  or POP. He will still be able to read your new email. IMAP
VŠ is just a protocol to get email from the server. It is no more or less
VŠ secure than POP.

VŠ Using POP3 and thinking that you are somehow more secure is completely
VŠ ridicilous idea. If you need a security encrypt your email base (be it local
VŠ or on the server). Most of the modern email server can do that.

No sense attempting an explanation since you seem to have all the
answers.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-05-01 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/1/2012  9:43 PM

Hi Raymund,

On 5/1/2012 Raymund Tump wrote:

RT I can't see what's more to it.

RT Any mail send can be read by someone along the way as long as it is
RT not encrypted. If it is at rest at a server it might be easier to
RT access for an attacker.

RT if your mail is that interesting to an attacker he/she/it will find a
RT way to get it from your computer as well...

See response from RS...

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-04-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/30/2012  8:21 AM

Hi Rick,

On 4/29/2012 Rick wrote:

R Filters work well
R Delayed sending is AWESOME
R Less bugs
R Drag and drop images in HTML emails
R I could go on - what specifically concerns you?

Filters in V4 work perfectly for me.
After 14 years of use the interface changes do nothing for me and add
unneeded extra clicks.
V4 doesn't bug me at all.
Delayed sending works exactly as I need it to do - when I use it.
V5 requires retraining my elderly customers for which they receive no
benefits to them and their usage.

IMO IMAP is the only driving force for v5. IMAP is not a part of my
future for reasons of security that cannot be overcome with IMAP.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Filters working in v5?

2012-04-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/29/2012  10:19 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 4/29/2012 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF Over 100 filters though, that's why I am reluctant: If it ain't broke,
TF don't fix it.
Precisely!

TF Maybe it's time for a little prep-talk again. In a nut-shell, why
TF should I (POP-user) upgrade to v5? I am not only aksing for myself, I
TF am also aksing because other people ask me. Therefore, a 20-page
TF changelog won't help to convince anybody.

Reason:
  1. 
  2. 
  3. 

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: 5.1.0.3

2012-04-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/18/2012  6:58 PM

Hi Dierk,

On 4/17/2012 Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH You definitely want to rename this since many do not use IE as
DH system's default browser /HTML viewer. I, for instance, use Opera as
DH default, Firefox and Chrome for testing and the occasional site not
DH working with Opera; IE is never used, I only maintain it for programs
DH relying on it, like Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Same here.

- --
Paul

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Re: POP and IMAP with different Send time and Timezone

2012-04-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/18/2012  7:07 PM

Hi Eddie,

On 4/17/2012 Eddie wrote:

E I  am  running  one  account  under POP and IMAP to learn and see some
E differences.  Today  I just noticed that One post coming from Paul van
E Noord displays not only a different Timezone but also a different Send
E time. See for your self:

E @Paul can you pls check on your side when you send your post?

Correct time is shown in parenthesis on your screenshot in the header
line. I have no clue where the indicated time came from. I use a VPN
that has the same time zone for the server.

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: [5.1] Replied filters trigger too early

2012-04-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/17/2012  2:15 PM

Hi MAU,

On 4/16/2012 MAU wrote:

M Hello MAU,
M  
 These two issues with Read and Replied filters are quite an 
 inconvenience for me, to the point that I may decide to revert to 
 version v4.2.44.2.

M Decided and done, see my signature.

M Now Read filters are triggered when I mark a message as read, as it 
M should be.

M Now Replied filters are NOT triggered and the message I'm replying to is
M NOT marked as replied when the reply is Auto-saved . These two things
M happen ONLY when I 'Send the message' or 'Put message in the Outbox', as
M it should be.

Welcome back to the good life!  (see sig)

- --
Paul

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