Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 14:41 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> This makes me think that you don't know anything about HTML and CSS. > Yes, I do know what css is and how it

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 14:48 Ethan J. Mings wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> Moderator, can you please save us from this debate. It is really not >> helpful. >

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 14:48 Ethan J. Mings wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > Moderator, can you please save us from this debate. It is really not > helpful. You are right. This

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Lüko, > Sunday, July 21, 2019, 8:34:03 AM, you wrote: > That's OK, but I also understand from your statement that you do > not understand the MIME structure of today's emails in the first place. > I'm a user, not an author. I don't care one tiny bit about rules or > structures

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Lüko, Sunday, July 21, 2019, 8:34:03 AM, you wrote:  That's OK, but I also understand from your statement that you do not understand the MIME structure of today's

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 19:17 Ira wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read >> them. > That's OK, but

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 19:17 Ira wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read >> them. I'm sure what he

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-21 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 19:17 Ira wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read > them. That's OK, but I also understand

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Lüko, Saturday, July 20, 2019, 12:41:09 AM, you wrote: TheBAt! should have two separate lists, selectable by a TAB, one of the real attachments, the other the nested

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Ethan J. Mings
July 20, 2019 Hello Gleason, Saturday, July 20, 2019, 8:41:11 AM, you wrote: > Stop trying to make The Bat unusable. Maybe the concerns can wrapped up and put in one email. Moderator, can you please save us from this debate. It is really not helpful. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President,

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:05 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other clients.

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Luca via TBBETA
Lüko Willms: > Hello everybody, > > on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 01:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA > wrote > re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > > > we are now working on version 9 > >essential changes like these for proper quoting in HTML-Mails, more than > two years old: >

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:05 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >>> Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other >>> clients. >> Showing a bar

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-20 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 01:00 Ira wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) stop showing emails without attachments as having a dozen or more attachments. I can live with messed up display,

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Gleason, > Friday, July 19, 2019, 2:42:09 PM, you wrote: Gleason>> HTML being a moving target. That might have something to do with why Gleason>> browsers require such frequent updates. Good enough reason to let people Gleason>> use MS libraries to view html email like The Bat

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Gleason, > Friday, July 19, 2019, 2:42:09 PM, you wrote: Gleason>> HTML being a moving target. That might have something to do with why Gleason>> browsers require such frequent updates. Good enough reason to let people Gleason>> use MS libraries to view html email like The Bat

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Friday, July 19, 2019, 2:42:09 PM, you wrote: Gleason> HTML being a moving target.  That might have something to do with why Gleason> browsers require such

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Gleason, > Friday, July 19, 2019, 7:10:47 AM, you wrote: Gleason>> Qualcomm, which produced the (at one time widely used) Eudora email client, now Gleason>> defunct. They gave it to Mozilla where it has gone no where. > It died because someone thought Thunderbird with a Eudora

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:32 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >>> I can't comment on the "best product" (I am not satisfied, and I >>> would have liked to

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Friday, July 19, 2019, 7:10:47 AM, you wrote: Gleason> Qualcomm, which produced the (at one time widely used) Eudora email client, now Gleason> defunct.  They

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:32 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> I can't comment on the "best product" (I am not satisfied, and I >> would have liked to continue using

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 16:10 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >>> this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. >>> A quote is a QUOTE,

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 16:10 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. >> A quote is a QUOTE, not a table. > I

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, By the way, they told us in Software Engineering school years ago that there is no greater compliment you can pay to a programmer than "It works." Your code can be as sophisticated as you like, but users don't see that. > Hello everybody, > on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 15:26 Gleason

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> list [of email clients] I keep >> For instance here is my short list — with my comments

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 15:26 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > > this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. > A quote is a QUOTE, not a

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Dienstag, 16. Juli 2019 at 12:49 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> It seems to me that Rit Labs is an economic marvel. They have >> produced the best product on

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > list [of email clients] I keep > For instance here is my short list — with my comments regarding quoting HTML

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 15:26 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. A quote is a QUOTE, not a table. You

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other >> clients. >

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 16. Juli 2019 at 12:49 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > It seems to me that Rit Labs is an economic marvel. They have > produced the best product on the market and

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-19 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other > clients. Showing a bar to to

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread NetVicious
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) lunes, 15 jul. 2019 at 22:49, it seems you wrote: Yes, that allows you to tie a specific set of macros to a specific email address.  Better would be to be able to specify a

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Gleason, > Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:55:49 PM, you wrote: > You do embedded work. I bet you are paid well, and you can afford > the luxury of jumping on an airplane to fix somebody's problem. > Yes, I do embedded work. I own the company, so I can do what I want > and yes I could

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread Gleason
MAU, > Hello Gleason, The Bat - poor support for identities >>> What do you need? >>> I use a lot of email aliases, and with macros in the templates I use >>> each aliases without any problem. I set one folder to receive all the >>> messages sent or received with one alias. And when I

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread MAU
Hello Gleason, >>> The Bat - poor support for identities >> What do you need? >> I use a lot of email aliases, and with macros in the templates I use >> each aliases without any problem. I set one folder to receive all the >> messages sent or received with one alias. And when I create a new

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-16 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:55:49 PM, you wrote: You do embedded work.  I bet you are paid well, and you can afford the luxury of jumping on an airplane to fix

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Gleason
Ira, Hello Gleason, Monday, July 15, 2019, 10:55:48 AM, you wrote: Gleason> So give The Bat a fair chance. It is the best out there relatively. I do give it a fair chance and I always upgrade, but that doesn't mean it's not broken. Personally, not one piece of software I've written has

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Gleason, Monday, July 15, 2019, 10:55:48 AM, you wrote: Gleason> So give The Bat a fair chance.  It is the best out there relatively. I do give it a fair chance and I

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Gleason
NetVicious, > lunes, 15 jul. 2019 at 19:55, it seems you wrote: >> The Bat - poor support for identities > What do you need? > I use a lot of email aliases, and with macros in the templates I use > each aliases without any problem. I set one folder to receive all the > messages sent or

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread NetVicious
lunes, 15 jul. 2019 at 19:55, it seems you wrote: > The Bat - poor support for identities What do you need? I use a lot of email aliases, and with macros in the templates I use each aliases without any problem. I set one folder to receive all the messages sent or received with one alias. And

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Gleason
Ira, > Hello Maxim, > Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:04:21 AM, you wrote: Maxim>> We are still committed to compatibility with Windows XP > How many customers still use XP? I bet it's in the single digit > percent and you're better off leaving them behind. No one who has > any inkling of security

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Ira
Title: Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Hello Maxim, Monday, July 15, 2019, 9:04:21 AM, you wrote: Maxim> We are still committed to compatibility with Windows XP How many customers still use XP? I bet it's in the

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA
Hello Lüko, We are replacing TB2K/TBX/SpTBX toolbars and menus to DevExpress ribbon controls. Window elements like buttons, checkboxes, radiobuttons, status bars, etc. will have consistent look according to a currently selected theme provided by the DevExpress library. PGP internal

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Gleason
Lüko, Hello Gleason, hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 00:59 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> So stop talking nonsense about things which are beyond your >> horizon, and stay put in

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello Gleason, hello everybody, > on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 00:59 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >>> So stop talking nonsense about things which are beyond your >>> horizon, and

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 03:41 Thomas Fernandez wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) I don't know about blockquotes but what annoys me tremendously is that some HTML messages are simply not

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-15 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello Gleason, hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 00:59 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> So stop talking nonsense about things which are beyond your >> horizon, and stay put in your

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-14 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Lüko, On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 19:05:14 +0200 GMT (14-Jul-19, 23:35 +0700 GMT), Lüko Willms wrote: Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 01:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > we are now working on version 9 essential changes like these

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-14 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello Gleaseon (? I can't find your signature), > on Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 at 20:28 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> disagree >You simply do not understand what this is about.

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-14 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello Gleaseon (? I can't find your signature), on Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 at 20:28 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > disagree You simply do not understand what this is about. From the header

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-14 Thread Gleason
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 01:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA > wrote > re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > >> we are now working on version 9 >essential changes like these for proper quoting in HTML-Mails, more than > two years old: >1216:

Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))

2019-07-14 Thread Gleason
Lüko, Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 01:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > we are now working on version 9 essential changes like these for proper quoting in HTML-Mails, more than two years old: 1216: HTML viewer does