Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Both you and Doug are using a Gmail account for your subscription to the list, and that explains the dilemma. That's why I use my Comcast account for this list rather than my customary Gmail account. argh. it's that dupekilling feature of gmail. thanks for pointing out. it was there some time ago, then it was not, and now on again. For me, it was always on... So, I made an outgoing filter that copies the mails that I send into the Inbox. I dont use threading, but now I checked and it seems threading too. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
In my experience, every USB memory stick is different. The one I am using now reads and writes at 16MBits per second, and my previous one was only 8. There is a free utility on the web to test your speed, but it is on my office computer and I forget what it is called. What is the name of that utility? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
You must be a journalist to take out 1 sentence and forgot to quote
all related stuff to earn some cheap popularity Let me quote those
sentences you forgot to mention that I wrote in the same mail: I did
not want to trash USB sticks. They good for something. Also, they are
more convenient to use, and smaller.
Not a journalist, just having some fun. :D I have both and seldom use
either. Didn't mean to upset you:-{}
argh. too bad you're not. 'cuz journalists that behave the way Vili
said, are exactly the ones that can quite cheaply be benefited of. ;)
I dont know, what you meant by this.
But anyway: I am sorry Rick for the _tone_ of my prev. mail (I still
stand for not quoting only parts of an email). Before reading and
answering your email, I talked to my brother-in-law on the phone. He's
attacked by cheap journalists who does not have anything to do but
take out everything of context what he said and write anything
farthest from the truth just to earn a living. I was kind of
overpressured :((( Sorry again.(ItisHungarian:
http://nol.hu/cikk/445934/ )
--
Vili
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Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
I totally agree with you Vili. Also, flash drives perform much faster on Win2K than XP. Often a factor of 2 or 3 to 1. The difference in performance of USB hard drives is much closer between the 2 OSs and I am sure it is related to the performance of the hard drive as opposed to the performance of USB flash drives. Also, using an external hard drive is 2-3 times safer regarding lost data during a power failure simply because of performance. It would be nice to have some hard facts to support the claims being made in this thread. I would suggest using HD Tune 2.53, a freeware I will do that. utility to benchmark the hard drive vs the memory stick. I use it to measure my memory stick's performance, which translates immediately into increased performance in The Bat! I dont understand, how _measuring_ translates into increased performance (maybe my English). You meant _optimize_ instead of _measure_? Also, this is my third post to this thread. They don't bounce, they just tend to disappear. Any ideas? Not from me, sorry. My emails appear. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
sábado, 12 may 2007 at 18:25, it seems you wrote: typically(!), ANY 'usb-enclosed' hdd outperforms ANY usb flash stick. flash cards inserted in readers give a slightly different mileage, but that's a separate story. There are USB flash sticks with an excelent speed. And they outperforms some hdd usb cases. It depens on the circuits of the case. I have one Kingston DataTraveler Elite 1Gb, it writes up to 14MBps and reads up to 24MBps. I tested cheat hdd cases and normally I got peaks of 5Mb writing, but the normal write speed was 3-4Mb/sec. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 3.99.6 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 2.0.0.4 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
5/13/2007 7:29 PM Hi Rick, On 5/13/2007 Rick Grunwald wrote: RG Even when you have to be able to carry the data in your pocket?:)) Mine fits there although heavier than I like. As Vili stated there is value in flash drives. However, the discussion was on maintaining data integrity which makes the HD a clear winner on this issue. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.95.06 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Hello Rick, I tried a lot of things, the HDD just outperforms a stick, yet. Even when you have to be able to carry the data in your pocket?:)) You must be a journalist to take out 1 sentence and forgot to quote all related stuff to earn some cheap popularity ;) Let me quote those sentences you forgot to mention that I wrote in the same mail: I did not want to trash USB sticks. They good for something. Also, they are more convenient to use, and smaller. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
I wrote a long answer. But I deleted it. Why? I dont want to argue. I used stick with optimized for performance and use my HDD. Huge difference. I DID try it. You didnt. End of story for me. completely wrong. tried both and both work okay. of course, assuming you don't expect the stick's physical performance same as for the enclosed hdd. which, obviously, is exactly the point you fail to understand, dear Villi. No. I completely understand. And that is my WHOLE point: you have great experience with Voyager if you use a HDD, and not running from a USB stick. If you can. A _completely different_ experience. That is what I tried to say. (Even if you optimize the stick to speed.) Are we on the same side now? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Vili wrote: you have the exact same reasons with your 'usb-enclosed' HDD. ...maybe even worse, given that write-back for USB flashdrives isn't quite as optimistic as with HDDs (including those 'usb-enclosed'). :)) I dont know this stuff, all I am seeing is that with a USB stick, it takes time to load Voyager, while with a USB HDD it is FAST to load and MUSH FASTER to work with. When I say, Unplug USB drive, 1 second, Safe to remove... if you optimize the stick for performance, you get almost the same, with maybe a bit of difference in the speed of the device itself. apparently, you don't follow a constructive discussion: first, you say sticks and optimize for performance is bad because of eventual data loss in case of power outage. then you continue with arguing that write-back flushing takes only one second after the unplug request. it seems like arguing for the sake of arguing, which i'm not quite eager to follow, sorry. I wrote a long answer. But I deleted it. Why? I dont want to argue. I used stick with optimized for performance and use my HDD. Huge difference. I DID try it. You didnt. End of story for me. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
Vili wrote: I dont know... I dont _totally_ agree... Even in WinXP, you can optimize a stick for performance, but if writing is delayed and for some reason you have got a power failure... Or I just dont trust MS to let them manage delayed writing :)) you have the exact same reasons with your 'usb-enclosed' HDD. ...maybe even worse, given that write-back for USB flashdrives isn't quite as optimistic as with HDDs (including those 'usb-enclosed'). :)) I dont know this stuff, all I am seeing is that with a USB stick, it takes time to load Voyager, while with a USB HDD it is FAST to load and MUSH FASTER to work with. When I say, Unplug USB drive, 1 second, Safe to remove... -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager 3.99.4 Slow Printing
5/7/2007 2:35 PM Hi Vili, On 5/7/2007 Vili wrote: V (What I observed is, that running Voyager from a USB stick is just not V the way to go...) Unless you use Win2K. 8-]} -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.95.06 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
