Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-28 Thread Martin
Hi The

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:34:37 AM you wrote:


>  Make it a graphic icon, and underlay it with an ALT text which on
> hovering the mouse pointer over it, display the name of the language 

>  Googling for "icons for languages" finds a lot of sources for such icons.

But the graphic should not be the flag, it should be for latin the
ISO letters and for non-latin  (cyrillic, arabic, thai ...) a letter
graphic as well.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-28 Thread Martin
Hi The

On Friday, September 27, 2019 11:09:22 PM you wrote:


>> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
> from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
> different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
> in Turkey.

>> For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus"

> Again, Latin ru/rus is not like the Cyrillic.

ISO639 is not perfect - ISO stands for  "International Organization
for Standardization" and these standardized letters are much better
than country flags.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-28 Thread Lüko Willms
Hello everybody,

on Samstag, 28. September 2019 at 06:08  Gleason  wrote
re [SPAM]  Re: Icons for language options

  

>>>> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
>>>> from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
>>>> different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
>>>> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
>>>> in Turkey.

>>> Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in
>>> quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do.

  They are not Arabs, they are a people speaking a turcic language, leftover 
from one of those many nomadic horse riding invasions from the steppes in the 
North East of Asia, one of those peoples who suffered the fate that the door 
slammed shut behind them after they entered. 

>> They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic
>> letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago.

  While the language we know as Turkish has incorporated a huge amount of words 
from Arabic (the most notable is kitap for book), it is a completely different 
language, part of the family of turkic languages which are spoken in Central 
Asia from Azerbaycan and Turkmenistan to Kazakstan and the Chinese province of 
Sinkiang, also known as East Turkestan. 

Side note on kitap: in original Arab it is kitab, with a voiced or sonant B at 
the end. Like German, the turkish language pronounces such endings voiceless, 
non-sonant. This is different from English (you recognize Germans speaking 
english this way). Kitab found its way into many languages, where ever the 
Islam penetrated. But the plural is language specific. In Arabic kuttub, in 
Turkish kitaplar, in Suaheli witab... 

  Coming back to the issue discussed here: tr would be the sign for Turkish, in 
latin script. For Arab I would recommend the letter 'ain: ع

 Make it a graphic icon, and underlay it with an ALT text which on hovering the 
mouse pointer over it, display the name of the language 

 Googling for "icons for languages" finds a lot of sources for such icons. 
 

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-27 Thread Gleason

Thomas,

> Hello Gleason,

> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:18:41 -0400 GMT (28-Sep-19, 04:18 +0700 GMT),
> Gleason wrote:


>> Gleason,


>>> Martin,

 Hi The

 On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote:


> Hello everybody,

> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46  Martin  
> wrote
> re Icons for language options

>
>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote:


>>> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental.  I
>>> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either.

>> Why not use the letters of ISO 639?

>   I vote for that.
>
>   DE for German.  EN for English.
>
>   But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts?
>
>   RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic?

 ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

>>> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
>>> from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
>>> different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
>>> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
>>> in Turkey.

>> Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in
>> quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do.

> They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic
> letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago.

No doubt they feel that way, sandwiched between Iran, the Middle East,
Georgia on one side and Greece and Bulgaria on the other.  Turkey is a
complex place.  The fact that they did at one time use the Arabic
alphabet does say that they do share a good piece of that heritage.

Wikkipedia says that minority languages in Turkey include
the widespread Kurmanji, the moderately prevalent
Arabic and Zazaki and a number of less common minority languages,
some of which are guaranteed by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

So, yes, Arabic is spoken in Turkey even now, and that would mean the
Arabic alphabet is used as well, but the only official language is
Turkish, which itself has two variants in Turkey.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Gleason,

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:18:41 -0400 GMT (28-Sep-19, 04:18 +0700 GMT),
Gleason wrote:


> Gleason,


>> Martin,

>>> Hi The

>>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote:


 Hello everybody,

 on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46  Martin  wrote
 re Icons for language options


> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote:


>> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental.  I
>> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either.

> Why not use the letters of ISO 639?

   I vote for that.

   DE for German.  EN for English.

   But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts?

   RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic?

>>> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

>> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
>> from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
>> different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
>> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
>> in Turkey.

> Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in
> quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do.

They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic
letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-27 Thread Gleason

Gleason,


> Martin,

>> Hi The

>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote:


>>> Hello everybody,

>>> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46  Martin  wrote
>>> re Icons for language options

>>>   
 On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote:


> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental.  I
> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either.

 Why not use the letters of ISO 639?

>>>   I vote for that. 
>>>   
>>>   DE for German.  EN for English. 
>>>   
>>>   But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? 
>>>   
>>>   RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic?

>> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
> from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
> different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
> in Turkey.

Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in
quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do.

>> For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus"

> Again, Latin ru/rus is not like the Cyrillic.



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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-27 Thread Gleason

Martin,

> Hi The

> On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote:


>> Hello everybody,

>> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46  Martin  wrote
>> re Icons for language options

>>   
>>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote:


 Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental.  I
 suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either.

>>> Why not use the letters of ISO 639?

>>   I vote for that. 
>>   
>>   DE for German.  EN for English. 
>>   
>>   But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? 
>>   
>>   RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic?

> ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that?  If so, then how about
from Morocco?  TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and
different from other Arabic places.  A person who uses the Turkish
variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used
in Turkey.

> For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus"

Again, Latin ru/rus is not like the Cyrillic.

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Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options

2019-09-27 Thread Martin
Hi The

On Friday, September 27, 2019 10:46:57 PM you wrote:


> Hello everybody,

> on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46  Martin  wrote
> re Icons for language options

>   
>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote:


>>> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental.  I
>>> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either.

>> Why not use the letters of ISO 639?

>   I vote for that. 
>   
>   DE for German.  EN for English. 
>   
>   But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? 
>   
>   RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic?

ISO639-1 writes "ar" and ISO639-2 "ara" for Arabic.

For Russian it's "ru" resp. "rus"

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