Re[2]: 9.2.3 MSI
9/15/2020 8:52 AM Hi The, On 9/15/2020 The Bat Beta wrote: TF> Hello Stefan, TF> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 20:21:13 +0300 GMT (05-Sep-20, 0:21 +0700 GMT), TF> Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: >> Version 9.2.3 release MSI are available: >> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi TF> I had trouble downloading this. Many time I received the message that download was corrupted or incomplete, I don't remember the exact wording. TF> I succeeded when I donwloaded the file onto my work laptop at the unversity where it took about half an hour despite superfast internet. Edge finally asked me whether I really want to open it. TF> Anyway, I did not install the downloaded version on my laptop but instead used Help / Check for Update. TB! informed me: "Your version of The Bat! is most current." So I thought maybe you didn't upload the MSI yet due to the security trouble reported, but no: It is there on the Ritlabs website, readi for download. TF> I thought you'd like to know. Especially about the false-negative on the update check. I had a similar experience. Webroot & MalewareBytes say the file is clean. I have not attempted to install the file. - -- Paul 32bit TB 9.2.3.3 (BETA) Windows 7 Pro 7600 No IMAP No OTFE 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Stefan, On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 20:21:13 +0300 GMT (05-Sep-20, 0:21 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > Version 9.2.3 release MSI are available: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi I had trouble downloading this. Many time I received the message that download was corrupted or incomplete, I don't remember the exact wording. I succeeded when I donwloaded the file onto my work laptop at the unversity where it took about half an hour despite superfast internet. Edge finally asked me whether I really want to open it. Anyway, I did not install the downloaded version on my laptop but instead used Help / Check for Update. TB! informed me: "Your version of The Bat! is most current." So I thought maybe you didn't upload the MSI yet due to the security trouble reported, but no: It is there on the Ritlabs website, readi for download. I thought you'd like to know. Especially about the false-negative on the update check. Remark: I am running beta 9.2.2.1 on the laptop, if that matters. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.3.3 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 18:05:24, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > I guess you're right. Let's see how fast the reputation strengthens or we are > going to end up buying an EV cert (which seems to me just a mere money > extraction from developers). Yeah, EV is a racket. Luckily it was expunged from the web, but it's still there for codesigning. I'm not sure how many downloads are required – the main thing I codesign is GIMP, and that gets the required number very quickly, but it's probably also much more popular than The Bat. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > There is a solution to every problem; the only difficulty is finding it. -- Evvie Nef's Law TheBat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit), Windows 10.0.19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 17:59:05, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > I wonder where were you getting those "Keep this" links from :-) Internet Explorer and classic Edge show them (they're buttons). -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > Smile, tomorrow will be worse. -- The Murphy Philosophy TheBat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit), Windows 10.0.19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Jernej, > Doesn't matter - I bet most betas are extracted with 7-zip, which doesn't > mark the executables as coming from the Internet, so SmartScreen doesn't > verify them, so only direct MSI downloads will count towards the reputation. I guess you're right. Let's see how fast the reputation strengthens or we are going to end up buying an EV cert (which seems to me just a mere money extraction from developers). > If your old certificate is still valid, you could try dual-signing (though > I'm not sure if MSI files support that). No, it expired last week. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Marck, > I received the message, clicked on various "Keep this" links and ended up at > an MS site where I had the opportunity to state the package as "safe" as > either a user OR the publisher. It may be worth you doing this and entering > the publisher details. I had only one message from the SmartScreen and the only options I have there is either allow to install or not. I wonder where were you getting those "Keep this" links from :-) The problem is that we currently use a "simple" code signing certificate and Windows wants vendors to use EV code signing certiticates which cost twice more and thus save users from those bugging warnings. I wonder whether this hassle with simple CSCs happens just at the beginning of their public usage or each release is going to be a new circle... -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 08:47:22, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > The certificate is used for about a month on new Beta executables already, so > it' not really new :-) Doesn't matter - I bet most betas are extracted with 7-zip, which doesn't mark the executables as coming from the Internet, so SmartScreen doesn't verify them, so only direct MSI downloads will count towards the reputation. If your old certificate is still valid, you could try dual-signing (though I'm not sure if MSI files support that). -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > One good turn gets most of the blanket. -- Ellenberg's Theory TheBat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit), Windows 10.0.19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Stefan, > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi Installed and running, no Windows 10 security popups. Btw, usually, the announcements start with the 32 and then the 64 bit. And thus, without further checking, trusting, the order would be as always, I hit, downloaded and started installing the 2nd link, which was the 32 bit. Only then I saw my mistake, interrupted the install, got the 64 bit and installed it. :-) -- Kind regards, Gunivortus Goos The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 9.2.3 Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 18363 NordVPN vs. 6.30.8.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On 05 September 2020 at 08:10 Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote and made these points >> I guess it's a default behaviour for fresh MSI and EXE downloads now - I've >> checked on some other software from widely known vendors (Slack, Firefox, FL >> Studio) and see the same warning. TBL> Actually, skip it - I see the issue is with the SmartScreen, not with the browser. TBL> Yeah, the new certificate seems to cause this issue - it needs to gain reputation so the SS thing stops to bug users. I received the message, clicked on various "Keep this" links and ended up at an MS site where I had the opportunity to state the package as "safe" as either a user OR the publisher. It may be worth you doing this and entering the publisher details. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v9.2.3 on Windows 10.0.19041 pgpF35lREFWrY.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello MAU, >>> Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my >>> machine. >> >> I get this message as well. Is there a way to fix it before we install the >> new file. > > Same here. I think I'll wait for a new file OK, I have ignored the warning and I am up & running. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid) - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 18363 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Stefan, > I guess it's a default behaviour for fresh MSI and EXE downloads now - I've > checked on some other software from widely known vendors (Slack, Firefox, FL > Studio) and see the same warning. Actually, skip it - I see the issue is with the SmartScreen, not with the browser. Yeah, the new certificate seems to cause this issue - it needs to gain reputation so the SS thing stops to bug users. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Jernej, >> Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my >> machine. > Probably due to new codesigning certificate that isn't known yet. The certificate is used for about a month on new Beta executables already, so it' not really new :-) I guess it's a default behaviour for fresh MSI and EXE downloads now - I've checked on some other software from widely known vendors (Slack, Firefox, FL Studio) and see the same warning. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On Friday, September 4, 2020, 19:38:44, Ethan J. Mings wrote: > Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my > machine. Probably due to new codesigning certificate that isn't known yet. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > Seven-eighths of everything can't be seen. -- Titanics Generalized Iceberg Theorem TheBat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit), Windows 10.0.19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
On Friday, September 4, 2020, 19:21:13, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi Pinned taskbar icon was removed again. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< https://eternallybored.org/ > There are no answers, only cross references. -- Weiner's Law of Libraries TheBat! Version 9.2.3 (64-bit), Windows 10.0.19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI - Microsoft scars users trying to install foreign apps
Ethan J. Mings wrote: > Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for > my machine. This is new Windows 10 standard behaviour when you download an executable file like an EXE or MSI file from a web location outside the app store from Microsoft or a Microsoft certificated store. This was introduced in the last complete update of Windows 10. -- Best regards, Joerg Schiermeier Bielefeld, Germany =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= productive: The Bat! pro v8.8.9.0 (32bit) - wine(at)Debian64 test environment (32bit + 64bit): The Bat! pro - latest beta wine: v5.16 - Debian64/bullseye: v5.7.17-1 (2020-08-23) emulated windows version (build number): v10.0 64bit (17134) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Ethan, On Fri, 4 Sep 2020, at 13:38:44 [GMT -0400] (which was 19:38 where I live) Ethan wrote: > Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my > machine. If you download a installer, the Defender warns you. You need to set a flag in file property that you can start the MSI file. Mouseover the MSI file with right Mouse Button open context menu → Property Select tab "General" At bottom in section "Security" you see a checkbox "Unblock" Tick Unblock Confirm with OK Now installer should start. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 9.2.3 (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 19041 ) pgpZGHSzFodQO.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Ira, MAU>> Same here. I think I'll wait for a new file > > > What it's actually saying is we are not familiar with this file, > i.e., it's not been installed enough were aware of it's existence > and are you sure you know what it is. Nowhere in that message does > it say it's harmful. It does say, executable files may be harmful and are > you sure this one is OK. You are right, but I have never seen such a warning for any TB .msi file. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid) - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2.9 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 18363 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello MAU, Friday, September 4, 2020, 11:39:40 AM, you wrote: >>> Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my >>> machine. >> >> I get this message as well. Is there a way to fix it before we install the >> new file. MAU> Same here. I think I'll wait for a new file What it's actually saying is we are not familiar with this file, i.e., it's not been installed enough were aware of it's existence and are you sure you know what it is. Nowhere in that message does it say it's harmful. It does say, executable files may be harmful and are you sure this one is OK. -- Ira 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Stuart, >> Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my >> machine. > > I get this message as well. Is there a way to fix it before we install the > new file. Same here. I think I'll wait for a new file -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid) - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.2.2.9 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 18363 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
Hello Ethan, Friday, September 4, 2020, 12:38:44 PM, you wrote: > Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my > machine. I get this message as well. Is there a way to fix it before we install the new file. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm using: TheBat! 9.2.2.9 (BETA) 64 on Windows 10.0 18363 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.2.3 MSI
September 4, 2020 Hello Stefan, Friday, September 4, 2020, 1:21:13 PM, you wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi This file is up and running. Not sure why, Microsoft flagged the file as potentially damaging for my machine. I am running Windows 10 64 Bit, latest version Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supportd...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
9.2.3 MSI
Dear All, Version 9.2.3 release MSI are available: https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_32_9-2-3.msi Here are the changes summary since 9.2.2: [+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it behave like Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile devices [+] Support for plain text with format=flowed in viewer [+] OAUTH support for outlook.com and Yandex [*] Use IMAP as the default protocol for outlook.com [*] New look-and-feel of link tooltips to fix problems with their display [-] Message | Open reply was broken [-] Fix message length calculation for some DPIs/scales to fix SmartSpace reading problems [-] (#001695) Some HTML messages could be displayed broken [-] (#16) Separate message list viewer was closing when an an empty folder was selected [-] (#000186) URL in first line of clear-text PGP encrypted messages might be hidden after decryption (use of clear-text PGP is discouraged, but here we go) [-] (#002039) GnuPG signing passphrase was not cached -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov pgpooKK5sKnnO.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
