Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Gunivortus Goos
http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update WOW ! Nested folders !!! :-D As an 'oldie' I translated that for myself to 'subdirectories'. If I'm wrong with that, I might not have understood till now my copy of Forté Agent. ;-) The meeting of the clairvoyants was

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-16 · 23:49 h (CET)] Moin, Arjan! Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are required. Forte

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Hans, On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:03:35 +0100 GMT (18/12/2008, 00:03 +0700 GMT), Hans Stam wrote: Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1, HS but only as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply HS to a news-contributor. At the moment I use

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 19:28 schrieb Arjan de Groot: It has one major flaw. It tends to choke on retrieving when large amounts of mail are residing on my server. 500 or more I'd say. But I've found a work-around for that problem. You can also use fetchmail with the Cygwin

Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Albrecht Backhaus
Hello, I am now following this discussion for quite a while. In my opinion the moderators should close such threads (this covers the other one about the registration-v4.x too) and move them somewhere else. Maybe there is a mailing list which covers issues like that ... I subscribed to this

Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Gunivortus Goos
Hi Jens, You dont know what you have to expect, if they switch to premium customers support... Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1, but only as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply to a news-contributor. At the moment I use version 4.2

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik
am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 um 07:58 schrieb Hans Stam: Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite of The Beta! You are right Arjan..we know indeed what we have to expect ,- [ http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php ] | Free Agent | | Forté has offered Free

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread graham
A few months ago I went through this process and tried almost every email client out there. I came back to TB! for the following reasons (a) Other applications were slower /more bloated on my netbook (b) Other applications were usually missing features I'd become used to in TB! The closest was

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik
am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 um 12:23 schrieb Gunivortus Goos: TB is as SMTP/POP3 mailclient IMO actual the top of the hill, that's why I stick to it, not for some sentimental loyalty reason. Exactly, while i think Forte is the same for Newsgroups (i recently used it for that matter). --

Re: Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Hans Stam
Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1, but only as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply to a news-contributor. At the moment I use version 4.2 with a valid key for the upcoming v5. The support is OK, but the email part of it can't stand

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Hans Stam
Oh, sure. I just saw that your above quote was created with AK Mail. No ballast such as reasonbable line breaks at quoting or honouring the signature delimiter... Thanks for your great example, I think I'll stay with The Bat! for the time being. A negative reply, pity! No ballast, I think

Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: Need help to find an alternative for TB)

2008-12-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Albrecht, On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:21:04 +0100GMT (17-12-2008, 14:21, where I live), you wrote: AB In my opinion the moderators should close such threads It's been long enough, yes. So everybody can consider this thread closed moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU, On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:07:53 +0100 GMT (31/10/2005, 05:07 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M One last thing, in case you happen to know. Moons ago there was a M discussion in this list about 'irony' and 'sarcasm' but it isn't still M clear to me what the difference is. Do you know? I ask

Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:11:28 +0100, MAU wrote: The very last paragraph of the forwarded message: One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) Is even more true

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Jens Franik
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 12:11 schrieb MAU: point a real alternative for me ;-) ;-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195

Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick
I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues. Why don't all you unhappy people move

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Rick, Actually this should be discussed on TBOT... Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote: R Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It R has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you R want it. But be warned: the financing of

Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mackley
Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... -- Mackley I'll stay with TheBat! 4.1.x Current beta is

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick
Hello Rick, Actually this should be discussed on TBOT... Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote: R Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It R has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you R want it. But be warned: the financing

Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote: Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:34:31 -0500, Rick wrote: Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :)) No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four

Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:32:22 AM, you wrote: Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... I agree with you completely. The Bat has a great interface and

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick
No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago, and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen that I'm using Forte Agent. Um ... you are correct, I didn't think to examine your message

Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote: Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled. I left the Bat and ended up coming back. I share some

Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread MAU
Hello all, I think the 3 years old message below fits well with current ongoing discussions in this list. Of course, my requirements to find a replacement for TB have grown since the message was sent because, no matter what some may say, TB has added functionality and improved quite a bit

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0500, Rick wrote: Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble intelect? 1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years I still have an old version (v2.12) on one of my computers. I'm using it periodically with the purpose of archiving the e-mails that

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote: AdG The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a AdG mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Nostalgia can be very dangerous. It might lead to the wrong decisions. Take for instance Wouter Bos who

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote: AdG The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a AdG mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Nostalgia can be very dangerous. It might lead to the wrong decisions. Take for instance Wouter Bos

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-16 · 19:28 h (CET)] Moin, Arjan! 2) The various releases are all unfinished business as usual Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. … like nearly 100% of all the other software. Just curious … Could you please be

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. … like nearly 100% of all the other software. No, most software development is done step by step, feature by feature, improvement by improvement. Just curious

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Hans Stam
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version. Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And when version 5 will at last hit

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mackley
we know indeed what we have to expect, click here: http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update WOW ! Nested folders !!! :-D -- Mackley for Usenet groups I use http://www.mesnews.net Current beta is 4.1.1.6

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-31 Thread Martin Schuster
Hello MAU, MAU risked a carpal syndrome while typing his first novel: I know some of you will be surprised with the subject of this messages but, yes, it says what it says. [...] One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello MAU everyone else, on 31-Okt-2005 at 01:19 you (MAU) wrote: Price varies between the professional and the home version. Is there an intermediate price for professionals who work at home? ;-) There's even a price for homies working as professionals! No pun intended... ;-) -- Best

Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread MAU
Hello all, I know some of you will be surprised with the subject of this messages but, yes, it says what it says. I haven't had enough time (and my slow typing speed doesn't help either) to more actively participate in these past few days discussions about bugs, if they are showstoppers or

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU! On Sunday, October 30, 2005, 4:07 PM, you wrote: I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) I did read every word, and I have the perfect alternative for you: The

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 30-Okt-2005 at 23:40 you (Mary Bull) wrote: I did read every word, and I have the perfect alternative for you: The Bat!, latest release version 3.62. I thought the same when I read the list of requirements. :) -- Best regards, Alexander

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Michael Paluchowski
Sunday, October 30, 2005, 11:07:53 PM, you wrote: One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) But, my lord, there is no such force. -- Michael Paluchowski

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, I did read every word, and I have the perfect alternative for you: The Bat!, latest release version 3.62. Aren't you pleased? :) Do you know the price? Is it very expensive? I'd be willing to pay a couple of hundred $$ for such beast, but if the price is higher... ;-) -- Best

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread MAU
Hello Greg, ... it sounds like TB is the perfect fit for you. Take care! Did you read my second to last paragraph? Can you shed some light about the difference between 'irony' and 'sarcasm'? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.07 on Windows XP

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread MAU
Hello Greg, BTW I never bought you those beers. :) I'll log a BT wish for TB to be able to send cold beers as attachments. I'm sure RIT guys will implement this before a working IMAP ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Service

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU! On Sunday, October 30, 2005, 5:08 PM, you wrote: I did read every word, and I have the perfect alternative for you: The Bat!, latest release version 3.62. Aren't you pleased? :) Do you know the price? Is it very expensive? I'd be willing to pay a couple of hundred $$ for such

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, Price varies between the professional and the home version. Is there an intermediate price for professionals who work at home? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Winamp Playing: Sting - Fragile

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU! On Sunday, October 30, 2005, 6:19 PM, you wrote: Price varies between the professional and the home version. Is there an intermediate price for professionals who work at home? ;-) :) If there isn't, there should be, providing the professional's name is Miguel A. Urech. -- Best

Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2005-10-30 Thread Clive Taylor
I'll log a BT wish for TB to be able to send cold beers as attachments. I'm sure RIT guys will implement this before a working IMAP ;-) And with that remark you sum up neatly (elegantly, even) exactly the problem with TB's development. Cosmetics before foundation, walls before footings,