Re: HTML rendering
T> Good point, but we all use the same firewall / anti-virus The question is if they treat Outlook and The Bat the same or not. Anyway, let's see first if Ritlabs can reproduce your delay. Best, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Daniel, On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:11:40 +0100 GMT (29-Oct-20, 07:11 +0700 GMT), Daniel van Rooijen wrote: T>> However, it is more a workaround than the fix of the problem. > My suggestion was not specific to your problem. Servers and connections > can be slow, unresponsive or unavailable at any time and this is not > under The Bat's control. Pre-rendering would be the best solution to > address that; it would allow the user to read the message right away. > I'm not sure how feasible it would be to implement though, because not > all dimensions of the images may be known until the images (or their > headers) have been downloaded. > As to your problem, delays like this can also be caused or triggered by > firewall and antivirus software. Good point, but we all use the same firewall / anti-virus according to company policy. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
T> However, it is more a workaround than the fix of the problem. My suggestion was not specific to your problem. Servers and connections can be slow, unresponsive or unavailable at any time and this is not under The Bat's control. Pre-rendering would be the best solution to address that; it would allow the user to read the message right away. I'm not sure how feasible it would be to implement though, because not all dimensions of the images may be known until the images (or their headers) have been downloaded. As to your problem, delays like this can also be caused or triggered by firewall and antivirus software. 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:39 +0100 GMT (29-Oct-20, 5:43 +0700 GMT), Daniel van Rooijen wrote: >>> It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, >>> and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. S>> From what I see, the problem is not with HTML itself, it contains S>> images from external links and they are downloaded slow here so on a S>> slow connection it can be a killer. > Wouldn't it be possible to pre-render slow pages quickly with > place-holder images, until the full images have been retrieved? At least that would not freeze TB! for the duration, I guess. However, it is more a workaround than the fix of the problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5.7 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Stefan, On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:52:10 +0200 GMT (28-Oct-20, 21:52 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: >> It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, >> and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. > From what I see, the problem is not with HTML itself, it contains images from > external links and they are downloaded slow here so on a slow connection it > can be a killer. My colleagues using Outlook have exactly the same connection as me and the other colleagues who use TB!. EVerybody with TB! experiences the same delay, so it is not the hardware. > What I have not figured out yet is why those images are not cached by CEF > even when file cache is enabled. There are several reasons: a) we should dig > deeper into CEF options or b) cache is disabled by the site where those > images are hosted (in this case see a ). Please try this direction. I don't know whether the people who use Outlook had to wait long when they received the first circular but don't remember that, and now Outlook has it in chace and that's why they don't need to wait long any more now. Makes sense. I don't think the cash is disabled at the host site, otherwise they would be disabled for all email clients - if that really is the problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5.7 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
>> It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, >> and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. S> From what I see, the problem is not with HTML itself, it contains S> images from external links and they are downloaded slow here so on a S> slow connection it can be a killer. Wouldn't it be possible to pre-render slow pages quickly with place-holder images, until the full images have been retrieved? Regards, -Daniel- 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Thomas, > It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, > and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. From what I see, the problem is not with HTML itself, it contains images from external links and they are downloaded slow here so on a slow connection it can be a killer. What I have not figured out yet is why those images are not cached by CEF even when file cache is enabled. There are several reasons: a) we should dig deeper into CEF options or b) cache is disabled by the site where those images are hosted (in this case see a ). -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov pgpbyGzXD_XvH.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Howdy! Вы писали 27 октября 2020 г., 10:55:54: > I am sure you can still read emails without fancy colours. But let's not go > into this - you seem to be quite religious about it. I really don't have now any soft that I use it every day with white theme. Religion here to think that only white themes can be alive. And nor I nor others who's use it TB! now with "dark force" don't want go back to using white theme. > It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, > and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. > I think there is a difference. I do receive it many emails (usually few hundreds in a day) and never seen 1 minute to open email in the TB! Can you send me example? geo...@belrus.info Best Regards, George Salnik RitLabs Russian Forum Moderator 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:43:03 +0200 GMT (27-Oct-20, 22:43 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: > Hello Thomas, >> I have sent you two company emails with which TB! has problems rendering. >> Could you kindly look into this? > I actually replied yesterday. I only received it this morning. The delay may be a GMX thing, as they are "improving" their anti-spam system at the moment. > Looks like images from the last message was downloaded with slow speed. The > first message is rendered immediately here, so I'm wondering about the > hardware... Same hardware renders the same email much faster in Outlook. > To fix problem with slow sties, we are going to use file caching in the next > Beta, we'll see how it goes. I see some performance improvements with file > cache already, so it'll stay anyway, I guess. That might be a workaround, as these circulars always have the same pictures. However, Outlook renders them fast even on the first attempt, so my guess is that there is something in the code that slows it down. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5.7 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:16:43 +0200 GMT (28-Oct-20, 0:16 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote: >> I am sure you can still read emails without fancy colours. But let's not go >> into this - you seem to be quite religious about it. > It's about visual comfort. We used dark theme similar to ChokoDark in Dos > Navigator back in 1992, long before dark themes become a trend. The Bat! had > a non-white default background for similar reasons, so this buzz about dark > themes is not just a toy :-) Well noted about the comfort, but I think being able to use TB! for work is important enough to honour the reason why I started this thread. TB! is now greatly decreasing efficiency. If this is not fixed, my company will have to move on. I wouldn't help if TB! became a very comfortable and inefficient email client. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5.7 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Thomas, > I am sure you can still read emails without fancy colours. But let's not go > into this - you seem to be quite religious about it. It's about visual comfort. We used dark theme similar to ChokoDark in Dos Navigator back in 1992, long before dark themes become a trend. The Bat! had a non-white default background for similar reasons, so this buzz about dark themes is not just a toy :-) -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov pgpTkxsnpEXpO.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello Thomas, > I have sent you two company emails with which TB! has problems rendering. > Could you kindly look into this? I actually replied yesterday. Looks like images from the last message was downloaded with slow speed. The first message is rendered immediately here, so I'm wondering about the hardware... To fix problem with slow sties, we are going to use file caching in the next Beta, we'll see how it goes. I see some performance improvements with file cache already, so it'll stay anyway, I guess. -- Best regards, Stefan Tanurkov pgptPMvKIdnfP.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Hello George, On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:16:57 +0300 GMT (27-Oct-20, 14:16 +0700 GMT), George Salnik wrote: [You skipped the import part, namely that the HTML rendering needs urgent attention] >> I see the colour schemes as a toy and less important than usability in a >> real working environment. > 1) Toy that up my speed of work. Stop works of that feature will be strange. > We need release without some child bugs. I am sure you can still read emails without fancy colours. But let's not go into this - you seem to be quite religious about it. > 2) TB! Use it Chromium core now. Is your email looks equal bad in the Chrome > or another chromium browser? It takes a full minute to render. Slows down work to an unacceptable time, and freezes TB! during that time. It totally interrupts the work flow. I think there is a difference. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.2.5 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19041 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML rendering
Howdy! Вы писали 27 октября 2020 г., 3:13:09: > I see the colour schemes as a toy and less important than usability in a real > working environment. 1) Toy that up my speed of work. Stop works of that feature will be strange. We need release without some child bugs. 2) TB! Use it Chromium core now. Is your email looks equal bad in the Chrome or another chromium browser? Best Regards, George Salnik RitLabs Russian Forum Moderator 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hello all, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, Robert van der Hulst wrote: I see problems when rendering HTML messages. I have posted an issue about that on BT: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6669 Does anyone else see this ? For example see the attached image I know this was correct and it was somehow broken in one of the last builds. not confirmed, screenshot is from 4.0.0.11 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.7.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM attachment: message.gif Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hi Marek, On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, at 14:01:35 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:01 where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML Rendering is incorrect' I see problems when rendering HTML messages. I have posted an issue about that on BT: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6669 Does anyone else see this ? For example see the attached image I know this was correct and it was somehow broken in one of the last builds. not confirmed, screenshot is from 4.0.0.11 My screenshot is from 4.0.0.11 too. If I go to the folder where the message is located I still see the strange layout. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6000 Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hi Stuart, On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, at 08:25:35 [GMT -0600] (which was 15:25 where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML Rendering is incorrect' My screenshot is from 4.0.0.11 too. If I go to the folder where the message is located I still see the strange layout. Is it possible you have disallowed some of the links in the URL manager? I checkd and that is not the case. It also doesn't explain why I am seeing parts of the html body as literal text. I would expect missing images in that case. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6000 Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hi Marek, On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, at 14:01:35 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:01 where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML Rendering is incorrect' I see problems when rendering HTML messages. I have posted an issue about that on BT: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6669 Does anyone else see this ? For example see the attached image I know this was correct and it was somehow broken in one of the last builds. not confirmed, screenshot is from 4.0.0.11 Ok I found the problem: If you enable 'Use smileys in HTML Viewer' the image is corrupted. If you disable this option the image looks fine. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6000 Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hi Robert, on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:15:03 +0100GMT (16.01.2008, 21:15 +0100GMT here), you wrote: RvdH Ok I found the problem: RvdH If you enable 'Use smileys in HTML Viewer' the image is corrupted. If RvdH you disable this option the image looks fine. I have enabled Smileys since long ago and still your MSG displays quite fine. This applies also to my notebook running Win2K with OTFE enabled. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hello, Robert. On the sixteenth January 2008 You wrote: Ok I found the problem: If you enable 'Use smileys in HTML Viewer' the image is corrupted. If you disable this option the image looks fine. This is a problem with Your txt2html.regexps file (see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Could You send to me this file? I can find and correct errors. -- Pozdrawiam Konrad Szkudlarczyk -- Frytka atakuje! Zobacz http://link.interia.pl/f1cdd Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hi Konrad, On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, at 22:22:07 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:22 where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML Rendering is incorrect' This is a problem with Your txt2html.regexps file (see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Could You send to me this file? I can find and correct errors. Yes, that is it. I have renamed the file and now everything works as expected. Thanks for this. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6000 Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Rendering is incorrect
Hello Peter, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 10:12:30 PM, you wrote: PM I have enabled Smileys since long ago and still your MSG displays PM quite fine. This applies also to my notebook running Win2K with OTFE PM enabled. Which means there was nothing wrong with your version of the txt2html.regexps file... But that was not the case for Robert and me. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.0.0.11 (ALPHA) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 13:5:0) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 4.0.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
