Re: Most used eMail clients
Marek, > Hi, as always, false statistics based on false data. Raw numbers would be helpful. But the list probably does more or less give an accurate picture. 50% of people use gmail and iphone. Yes, I do run across a lot of people who use those. But neither system is a desktop email client (gmail is an email provider with optional web based interface). And forums and text messaging on phones are not considered. That is the big hole in the picture of what people actually use. My assertion was that the desktop email client is fading away, and the list does generally reflect that. More informative would be statistics of high performance email client usage, none of those below qualify. > Every secure email client will be out of this statistics, they are > writing it in description: > Since determining the client in which an email is opened requires > images to be displayed, the data for some email clients and mobile > devices might be over- or under-represented due to automatic image > blocking. >> Hello everybody, >> on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 09:57 Lüko Willms wrote >> re Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will >> essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))) >> addressing Mr. Gleason: >> >>> But you mention only one of the "major players", namely >>> Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS >>> Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar >>> range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as >>> Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. >> The above is confirmed by statistics which are collected by a >> company named Litmus Email Analytics, and they include not only >> eMail clients for desktop computers, as I did, but for mobile >> devices, too. I have no clue on which way they do collect this 1000 million >> of emails. >> >> Here is their top 10 list for Juni 2019, taken from >> https://emailclientmarketshare.com/ >> >> #01 Gmail 29% +0.45 >> #02 Apple iPhone 27% -0.62 >> #03 Outlook9% +0.72 >> #04 Apple iPad 8% -0.43 >> #05 Apple Mail 7% -0.04 >> #06 Yahoo! Mail6% -0.52 >> #07 Google Android 3% +0.17 >> #08 Outlook.com2% -0.1 >> #09 Samsung Mail 1% -0.08 >> #10 Thunderbird0% -0.01 >> (Sorry that this is not in a table, but copying into a table in >> TheBat! does not work; I would have to either fill each cell >> individually or create an XLS file and insert this). >> >> I have marked those for desktops with yellow background. This >> confirms which I had written before. >> >> Gmail (i.e. Google mail) is being used both on desktops and on >> mobile devices. Gmail is surpassed by Apple if we add the three >> versions for iPhone, iPad and desktop tallied separately by this Litmus >> company. >> >> If the widely used Thunderbird is counted on less than a half >> percent of emails checked by this Litmus company, TheBat! and even >> more those unknowns which Mr. Gleason misunderstands as "major >> player" are completely out of the picture. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Lüko Willms >> Frankfurt am Main >> Germany >> using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) >> OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) >> CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ >> MEM: 4097 MB -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Hi, as always, false statistics based on false data. Every secure email client will be out of this statistics, they are writing it in description: Since determining the client in which an email is opened requires images to be displayed, the data for some email clients and mobile devices might be over- or under-represented due to automatic image blocking. > Hello everybody, > on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 09:57 Lüko Willms wrote > re Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will > essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))) > addressing Mr. Gleason: > >> But you mention only one of the "major players", namely >> Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS >> Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar >> range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as >> Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. > The above is confirmed by statistics which are collected by a > company named Litmus Email Analytics, and they include not only > eMail clients for desktop computers, as I did, but for mobile > devices, too. I have no clue on which way they do collect this 1000 million > of emails. > > Here is their top 10 list for Juni 2019, taken from > https://emailclientmarketshare.com/ > > #01 Gmail 29% +0.45 > #02 Apple iPhone 27% -0.62 > #03 Outlook9% +0.72 > #04 Apple iPad 8% -0.43 > #05 Apple Mail 7% -0.04 > #06 Yahoo! Mail6% -0.52 > #07 Google Android 3% +0.17 > #08 Outlook.com2% -0.1 > #09 Samsung Mail 1% -0.08 > #10 Thunderbird0% -0.01 > (Sorry that this is not in a table, but copying into a table in > TheBat! does not work; I would have to either fill each cell > individually or create an XLS file and insert this). > > I have marked those for desktops with yellow background. This > confirms which I had written before. > > Gmail (i.e. Google mail) is being used both on desktops and on > mobile devices. Gmail is surpassed by Apple if we add the three > versions for iPhone, iPad and desktop tallied separately by this Litmus > company. > > If the widely used Thunderbird is counted on less than a half > percent of emails checked by this Litmus company, TheBat! and even > more those unknowns which Mr. Gleason misunderstands as "major > player" are completely out of the picture. > > > Cheers, > Lüko Willms > Frankfurt am Main > Germany > using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) > OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) > CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ > MEM: 4097 MB -- S pozdravem, Marek Mikus mailto:marek.mi...@gmail.com 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 09:57 Lüko Willms wrote re Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))) addressing Mr. Gleason: > But you mention only one of the "major players", namely > Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS > Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar > range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as > Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. The above is confirmed by statistics which are collected by a company named Litmus Email Analytics, and they include not only eMail clients for desktop computers, as I did, but for mobile devices, too. I have no clue on which way they do collect this 1000 million of emails. Here is their top 10 list for Juni 2019, taken from https://emailclientmarketshare.com/ #01 Gmail 29% +0.45 #02 Apple iPhone 27% -0.62 #03 Outlook9% +0.72 #04 Apple iPad 8% -0.43 #05 Apple Mail 7% -0.04 #06 Yahoo! Mail6% -0.52 #07 Google Android 3% +0.17 #08 Outlook.com2% -0.1 #09 Samsung Mail 1% -0.08 #10 Thunderbird0% -0.01 (Sorry that this is not in a table, but copying into a table in TheBat! does not work; I would have to either fill each cell individually or create an XLS file and insert this). I have marked those for desktops with yellow background. This confirms which I had written before. Gmail (i.e. Google mail) is being used both on desktops and on mobile devices. Gmail is surpassed by Apple if we add the three versions for iPhone, iPad and desktop tallied separately by this Litmus company. If the widely used Thunderbird is counted on less than a half percent of emails checked by this Litmus company, TheBat! and even more those unknowns which Mr. Gleason misunderstands as "major player" are completely out of the picture. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Lüko, So, to finish up as Ethan suggested, I suspect I would agree if I got a lot of email from people who use Thunderbird. I see almost none. So, for Rit, it is a design choice depending largely on their estimation of how many people use Mozilla clones. Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 19:54 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > In this case, the important thing is that the system works, Fact is, that the quoting in TheBat! is broken, is utter nonsense and does not work at all. When I get a message which quotes something I had written before, TheBat! does not render the quote as a quote. And I have no means to tell for sure what is a quote and what is new text in a message, and no link to the message being quoted. Normally quotes would be identified by enclosing them with a BLOCKQUOTE or Q tag. When I use TheBat!'s broken quoting, it get's completely gobbled up until recognition. You speak about a "list of major players" meaning apparently email clients. But you mention only one of the "major players", namely Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. BTW, I tried to get a statistic of the number of the various eMail clients as shown by the X-MAILER header, but the search by TheBat! does not allow to select a given header and only search the content of that header field. And I could not export my full message store to MBOX format — nothing happens, unless I select each single folder at one time, but hat is too tedious to do. And the file format of the TBB and TBN files is not known to me. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 19:54 Gleason wrote > re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? > (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > >> In this case, the important thing is that the system works, > Fact is, that the quoting in TheBat! is broken, is utter nonsense and does > not work at all. > > When I get a message which quotes something I had written before, > TheBat! does not render the quote as a quote. And I have no means to > tell for sure what is a quote and what is new text in a message, and > no link to the message being quoted. This, I think, is our misunderstanding. What you say is true when you are corresponding with somebody who uses Thunderbird. The fault is with Thunderbird, not The Bat. Thunderbird converts quoting to it's system when replying to you. And so all structure is lost. No other client does this. That means Thunderbird and Mozilla clones like Post Box. MS Outlook also does not trash The Bat's quoting. And it does trash Thunderbird's quoting. So, for instance, when I use Post Box to reply to MS Outlook, the reply I get back from Outlook has trashed quoting. Mozilla clones are not usable. > Normally quotes would be > identified by enclosing them with a BLOCKQUOTE or Q tag. > > When I use TheBat!'s broken quoting, it get's completely gobbled up until > recognition. > > You speak about a "list of major players" meaning apparently email clients. > > But you mention only one of the "major players", namely > Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS > Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar > range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as > Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. Those are not high performance email clients. They are clients for general users. Since general users have moved away from old style email, I can't imagine that those clients get a lot of users any more. > BTW, I tried to get a statistic of the number of the various eMail > clients as shown by the X-MAILER header, but the search by TheBat! > does not allow to select a given header and only search the content > of that header field. And I could not export my full message store > to MBOX format — nothing happens, unless I select each single folder > at one time, but hat is too tedious to do. And the file format of > the TBB and TBN files is not known to me. > > Cheers, > Lüko Willms > Frankfurt am Main > Germany > using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) > OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) > CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ > MEM: 4097 MB -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
