Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Marck, Friday, July 12, 2019, 3:50:46 AM, you wrote: > Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues. We will try to make a small isolated piece of code that reproduces the issue and if we succeed will submit it to the developers of Delphi. We have submitted several bugs them already during past years, most of them now fixed. At the moment, their bug tracker https://qc.embarcadero.com/ does not seem to work. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Maxim , > So the 32-bit version of The Bat! did not have the bug with OpenPGP > signed messages. We have re-writted relevant code in The Bat! to > mitigate the compiler bug. However, we are now working on version 9 > and will unlikely publish a new beta or release soon. So I'd suggest > to use 32-bit version of The Bat! in the meanwhile. Well, then I am very curious which new features are planned in v9. :-) In contrast to some others here, I don't have problems at the moment with The Bat, which runs in a live situation. Admittedly, I may not use the program onto its limits - in my daily situation I've no need for that. -- Kind regards, Gunivortus Goos The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.8.9 Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 17134 NordVPN vs. 6.22.6.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 19:25 Gleason wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > Is anybody saying that ms vs doesn't have issues? People need to > insist on using Delphi to keep ms honest if for no other reason. Agree. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Lüko, Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 02:50 Marck Pearlstone wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) TBL>> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler > ... > Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues. Nobody is perfect... Besides, one can prove the existence of bugs, but not that none do exist. The stars would burn out first for any moderately complex system. Unless one uses a language which allows a mathematical proof of corrections of the transformation machine which is a computer program. I don't know of any. Is anybody saying that ms vs doesn't have issues? People need to insist on using Delphi to keep ms honest if for no other reason. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB -- Gleason 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 02:50 Marck Pearlstone wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) TBL>> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler > ... > Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues. Nobody is perfect... Besides, one can prove the existence of bugs, but not that none do exist. Unless one uses a language which allows a mathematical proof of corrections of the transformation machine which is a computer program. I don't know of any. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
July 12, 2019 Hello Maxim, Thursday, July 11, 2019, 7:22:39 PM, you wrote: > We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler > which produced wrong code when a variable of ShortString type was > passed by value rather then by reference. See more on "value" vs > "reference" on > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/373419/whats-the-difference-between-passing-by-reference-vs-passing-by-value Thanks for this update. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc. Enabling your organization to anticipate the future with confidence! 1-200 North Service Road W. - Suite 311 | Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6M 2Y1 Phone 905-825-9938 or 1-877-763-7776 | e-mail supp...@thedesk.ca Website https://thedesk.ca/main 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
On 12 July 2019 at 00:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made these points TBL> Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 11:06:32 PM, you wrote: >> 8.8.9 also does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described for >> 8.8.2.8 TBL> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler ... Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues. ... TBL> So I'd suggest to use 32-bit version of The Bat! in the meanwhile. I will get on that tomorrow. Thanks for the update. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.8.2.6 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.17763 pgpTjpnoF24Sv.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Marck, Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 11:06:32 PM, you wrote: > 8.8.9 also does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described for > 8.8.2.8 We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler which produced wrong code when a variable of ShortString type was passed by value rather then by reference. See more on "value" vs "reference" on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/373419/whats-the-difference-between-passing-by-reference-vs-passing-by-value So the 32-bit version of The Bat! did not have the bug with OpenPGP signed messages. We have re-writted relevant code in The Bat! to mitigate the compiler bug. However, we are now working on version 9 and will unlikely publish a new beta or release soon. So I'd suggest to use 32-bit version of The Bat! in the meanwhile. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartSpace reading not working with some HTML messages (WAS: Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello MAU, and everybody else, on Samstag, 8. Juni 2019 at 19:06 MAU wrote re SmartSpace reading not working with some HTML messages (WAS: Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > SmartSpace reading does not work with *some* What is this "SmartSpace" in the first place? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
U, no new license needed. 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SmartSpace reading not working with some HTML messages (WAS: Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello Maxim, > Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): > > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi With this version of TB I've discovered that, as the Subject says, SmartSpace reading does not work with *some* HTML messages, it does not mark the message as read and does not jump to next unread. I tried with previous beta (8.8.2.8) end behaviour is the same. So, I don't really know when the bug/problem was introduced. Actually, it is quite annoying. I have four messages from PayPal, all "Content-Type: multipart/alternative", and when the HTML tab is selected, SmartSpace works as expected with two (and only two) of the four messages, and does nothing with the other two. When the text tab is selected it works as expected with the four messages. Has anybody else noticed a similar behaviour? If so, I will open a BT report. BTW, I can send the four messages from PayPal to anyone willing to investigate further. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.8.9 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) / HTML issues
Hello Maxim, On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 22:48:13 +0300 GMT (05-Jun-19, 2:48 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote: > Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi > It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. No reg key required, and U On a side note, TB! was the first program I updated since upgrading from Win7 to Win10, so this is a pleasant experience. From the changelog: [-] 0001703: The system's HTML viewer rendered some messages huge Better now, at least the pictures that are shown fit the screen now. They are still a lot bigger than they are when you external viewer. [-] 0001721: HTML messages from PayPal were not entirely rendered by the internal HTML viewer I don't use Paypal, but this may be related to the old bug https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1479 which remains labeled as "New". -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 8.8.9 under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 4. Juni 2019 at 21:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi > It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. When I start the installation (as Admin), I see a dialogue that my licence would not be valid for this version 8.8.9, and that the installation would run as test. I cancelled the installation. I mentioned that I tried the install as Admin — normally I install from my simple user account, and enter the Admin password when asked for it, but since some time, installations are interrupted before asking for Admin password with a dialogue, in the case of TheBat 8.8.9 after the begin of the actual installation, with "Windows Installer" in the Window title, and this text (in German): "Der Systemadministrator hat Richtlinien erlassen, um diese Installation zu verhindern" (my translation to english: "The system administrator has established rules to prevent this installation". Well, the system admin is me. I have never declared such a rule, and not changed the rules. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Maxim, > Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): > > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi > > It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. > > Please let me know whether it works. New license not requested and, so far, running fine. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.8.9 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 9:48:13 PM, you wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi Works fine here :) > It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. It doesn't, works with the present key. Though the "About" dialog still shows the major version only in the regkey validity information. Thank you! -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 3:48:13 PM, you wrote: MMvT> Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi Installed just fine this time. U -- Best regards, Richardmailto:the...@newmangroup.com -- Using The Bat! v8.8.9 on Windows v10 17763 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
On 04 June 2019 at 20:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote and made these points TBL> Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_8-8-9.msi TBL> It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. This works, but I am still unable to use it. As previously reported here: >> This message has been sent (and successfully signed) using 64 bit >> 8.8.2.6 (which I will have to use until this issue is addressed). >> 8.8.2.7 and 8.8.2.8 both crash out silently (no exception logged) and >> restart when I hit 'Send'. This version works fine. 8.8.9 also does not let me send OpenPGP signed messages as described for 8.8.2.8 This report remains unconfirmed so not in the BugTraq system. Can anyone confirm / suggest how my configuration may be at fault? -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.8.2.6 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.17763 pgpT5yo0TwiKg.pgp Description: PGP signature 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
