Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello MAU, Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:21:12 AM, you wrote: >> However, I don't know what was included in the last beta. Could someone >> post >> that information to the list. > ,- [ ] > | What's new in 8.5.8.4 since 8.5.8.3: > | [-] The Find Lost Folder command didn't work properly since The Bat! > version 8.2.4.1 released on January 25, 2018 > | [-] (#0001487) The highlighted text gets lost after double editing the > hyperlink > | [-] (#0001503) Shift+Ctrl+V pastes multiline as one line > | [-] Fixed match type "IS" for Sender and Recipients > | [-] (#0001491) Add an option to remove empty lines from the highlighted > text. Show\Hide NonPrint Characters > `- Thank you! I can confirm .4 is running well here. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:supp...@thedesk.ca Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello Ethan, > However, I don't know what was included in the last beta. Could someone > post > that information to the list. ,- [ ] | What's new in 8.5.8.4 since 8.5.8.3: | [-] The Find Lost Folder command didn't work properly since The Bat! version 8.2.4.1 released on January 25, 2018 | [-] (#0001487) The highlighted text gets lost after double editing the hyperlink | [-] (#0001503) Shift+Ctrl+V pastes multiline as one line | [-] Fixed match type "IS" for Sender and Recipients | [-] (#0001491) Add an option to remove empty lines from the highlighted text. Show\Hide NonPrint Characters `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 My photos at: http://mau.smugmug.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello Lüko, Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 7:39:52 AM, you wrote: >>> I still don't get Maxim's messages to the list. If I want to see them, >>> I have to get them via Gmane. Confirmed. I am unable to see the mailings from Max. I was able to get the latest beta from one of the messages here on the list. I've installed it and works great. However, I don't know what was included in the last beta. Could someone post that information to the list. Thank you, Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:supp...@thedesk.ca Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
On 14 August 2018 at 12:39 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points ... >> X-HE-Spam-Score: -5.9 >> X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-5.9 points) ... >> 0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not >> necessarily valid >> -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list >> manager >> 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid LW>Maybe this helps someone in the know to find the reason. The DKIM invalidity is caused by the signature having been inserted at RITlabs and not removed by the mail list server, thus no longer matching the apparent originator (thebat.dutaint.com). Your mail service doesn't score that failure highly (zero) and the message passes through. Not all configurations are so forgiving. It was to avoid this that we made the horrible change to the list settings. Next month, we will be moving the lists to new servers at RITlabs, over which we will have better control. Any control is better than the 'none' we currently have. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.4 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpYr0jpnEW9h.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
eMail-List-Problems (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 14. August 2018 at 10:42 Martin wrote re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) > On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:22:07 AM you wrote: >> I still don't get Maxim's messages to the list. If I want to see them, >> I have to get them via Gmane. > Over here no problem - got it from the list. >> However, there are other messages,likeMartin's >>that I don't get on >> Gmane. Go figure! My eMail provider adds these lines to the mail by Maxim Masiutin regarding spam filtering: > X-HE-Virus-Scanned: Yes > X-HE-Spam-Level: - > X-HE-Spam-Score: -5.9 > X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-5.9 points) > pts rule name description > -- > -- > -5.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, high > trust > [188.40.127.183 listed in list.dnswl.org] > 0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not > necessarily valid > -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list > manager > 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid Maybe this helps someone in the know to find the reason. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany 6 1 Windows 7 Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Martin, >> However, there are other messages,likeMartin's >>that I don't get on >> Gmane. Go figure! > > This is strange. It certainly is. I also did not get (on Gmane) the one I am replying to now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 My photos at: http://mau.smugmug.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Marck, > This was the last post on this list. As moderator, I have to give it a > probe to see if it still functioning after the latest configuration > issues. Apologies for the white noise. I still don't get Maxim's messages to the list. If I want to see them, I have to get them via Gmane. However, there are other messages,likeMartin's that I don't get on Gmane. Go figure! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Marck, On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:32:10 +0100 GMT (13-Aug-18, 21:32 +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: > On 08 August 2018 at 09:04 Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote and made these > points > ... ZW>> Confirmed, it is fixed. > This was the last post on this list. As moderator, I have to give it a > probe to see if it still functioning after the latest configuration > issues. Apologies for the white noise. Received. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 8.5.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
On 08 August 2018 at 09:04 Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote and made these points ... ZW> Confirmed, it is fixed. This was the last post on this list. As moderator, I have to give it a probe to see if it still functioning after the latest configuration issues. Apologies for the white noise. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpvfK8WOvZ57.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Host of the mailing list (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
On 07 August 2018 at 22:24 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points LW> on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 22:01 Marck Pearlstone wrote LW> re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) >> I have tried repeatedly to contact the >> server admin in Germany, who donated use of the server for list >> hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails. LW> Is that this one: https://csl.de/ No. It's not a commercial server. It's at a German university that may have IP addresses and rack mount servers leased from a commercial company. Like I say - we don't have any access to that side of them. LW> Found via whois, and the phone number for the abuse contact... Thanks for looking. It's not going to help. Another list member, who knows the university and has some contacts there, has contacted me off list and may be able to help. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpMHup_dT2US.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Host of the mailing list (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 22:01 Marck Pearlstone wrote re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) > I have tried repeatedly to contact the > server admin in Germany, who donated use of the server for list > hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails. Is that this one: https://csl.de/ ? Found via whois, and the phone number for the abuse contact... Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany 6 1 Windows 7 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Marck, > White-listing thebat.dutaint.com may get round this. OK, I think I did so. Will see next time Max sends a message, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
On 07 August 2018 at 20:51 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points ... >> We don't have access to the list server to be able to inject (or >> remove) headers as things stand. ... LW> I just had to click something in the admin interface to LW> my webspace and copy-n-past some text from somewhere else, ... To clarify: We don't have access to the list server to be able to inject (or remove) ANY headers or settings to control anything like this as things stand. All we have is a web interface to the listman administration for the list and nothing else. Until we can re-host the list, this is the situation. I have tried repeatedly to contact the server admin in Germany, who donated use of the server for list hosting years ago and no longer responds to emails. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgp4n8v9InFlF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 19:00 Marck Pearlstone wrote re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) LW>> My Web and Mail provider has told me that the solution for Gmail is not DKIM, but SPF. LW>> LW>> My correspondent in the USA who did not get my mails after LW>> having moved to Google Mail, put my address in his White List, and I got SPF for may domains. LW>> LW>> After that it worked like charm. > We don't have access to the list server to be able to inject (or > remove) headers as things stand. SPF or Sender Policy Framework in full, is, as far as I understand, not something which the eMail client or mailing list processor has to included as some header field in outgoing messages. I just had to click something in the admin interface to my webspace and copy-n-past some text from somewhere else, following the instructions I had been given by the support people at the web space and email provider[1], and off it went. For more information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework This is the introduction to the en.Wikipedia article on SPF: > Sender Policy Framework (SPF) is an email validation protocol > designed to detect and block email spoofing by providing a mechanism to allow > receiving mail exchangers > to verify that incoming mail from a domain comes from an IP Address > authorized by that domain's administrators. > The list of authorized sending hosts and IP addresses for a domain > is published in the Domain Name System (DNS) records for that domain > in the form of a specially formatted TXT record. > Email spam and phishing often use forged "from" addresses and domains, > so publishing and checking SPF records can be considered > one of the most reliable and simple to use anti-spam techniques. > > IETF publication RFC 7208 dated April 2014 defines Sender Policy Framework as > "proposed standard". Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany 6 1 Windows 7 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Whitelisting senders in Google Mail (was: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA))
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 7. August 2018 at 20:15 MAU wrote re The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) >> Get the SENDER tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com in your white list on gmail. > I don't see any way of white listing. I don't either, since I have no accounts with Google mail. I avoid Google as much as I can. But I did find some references for my USanian correspondent by googling... > Anyway, if this was the problem, why messages don't show in Spam folder. I don't know either. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany 6 1 Windows 7 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 11:08:05 AM, you wrote: MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) is available at MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar U But did require reboot to copy new file over earlier version. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:the...@newmangroup.com -- Using The Bat! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows v10 17134 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
On 07 August 2018 at 19:07 MAU wrote and made these points >> Max's messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list >> traffic as spam, since the sending domain fails to match the domain >> certified in the DKIM signature. M> But if traffic is marked as spam, why his messages don't end up in my M> Gmail account Spam folder? In the case of a DKIM failure, some servers (Max tells me) actually reject the message. That would mean that you wouldn't find it in a spam folder. White-listing thebat.dutaint.com may get round this. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpnixVu2VL9V.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Lüko, > Any idea why I have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in > Gmail's spam folder and it is not there. > > Get the SENDER tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com in your white list on gmail. I don't see any way of white listing. Anyway, if this was the problem, why messages don't show in Spam folder. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Marck, M>> Any idea why I have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in M>> Gmail's spam folder and it is not there. > > Could it be that you are one of the recipients affected by the > addressing issues that we tried to combat with the change to the list > configuration? I don't know :-( > Max's messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list > traffic as spam, since the sending domain fails to match the domain > certified in the DKIM signature. But if traffic is marked as spam, why his messages don't end up in my Gmail account Spam folder? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
On 07 August 2018 at 17:58 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points ... >> H this makes me think that if we can get the list server to >> strip the DKIM header, the issue would be resolved without >> compromising the configuration of the list... LW> My Web and Mail provider has told me that the solution for Gmail is not DKIM, but SPF. LW> LW> My correspondent in the USA who did not get my mails after LW> having moved to Google Mail, put my address in his White List, and I got SPF for may domains. LW> LW> After that it worked like charm. We don't have access to the list server to be able to inject (or remove) headers as things stand. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpr4KguYJxX3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Guten Tag, Marck Pearlstone, am Dienstag, 7. August 2018 um 18:07 schrieben Sie: > Max's messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list > traffic as spam, since the sending domain fails to match the domain > certified in the DKIM signature. > H this makes me think that if we can get the list server to > strip the DKIM header, the issue would be resolved without > compromising the configuration of the list... My Web and Mail provider has told me that the solution for Gmail is not DKIM, but SPF. My correspondent in the USA who did not get my mails after having moved to Google Mail, put my address in his White List, and I got SPF for may domains. After that it worked like charm. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Guten Tag, MAU, am Dienstag, 7. August 2018 um 17:43 schrieben Sie: > Any idea why I have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in > Gmail's spam folder and it is not there. Get the SENDER tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com in your white list on gmail. For Dutaint.com -- does that have a SPF record? If not, get one. Maybe a separate one for thebat.dutaint.com That solved the problem mailing to Google mail for me. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Maxim, U Thank you! -- Best regards, Curt Akin using TheBat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) under Windows 10.0 Build 17074 with HughesNet Gen5 satellite Internet. Web sites always hosted by TurnkeyInternet.net Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 11:08:05 AM, you wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar MM>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar M> Any idea why I have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in M> Gmail's spam folder and it is not there. Could it be that you are one of the recipients affected by the addressing issues that we tried to combat with the change to the list configuration? Max's messages include a DKIM signature, which effectively marks list traffic as spam, since the sending domain fails to match the domain certified in the DKIM signature. H this makes me think that if we can get the list server to strip the DKIM header, the issue would be resolved without compromising the configuration of the list... -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpUX0IzMR8Nu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello Marck, > On 07 August 2018 at 16:08 Maxim Masiutin wrote and made these points > MM>> The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) is available at MM>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar MM>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar Any idea why I have not received Maxim's message? I have looked in Gmail's spam folder and it is not there. Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain) Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
On 07 August 2018 at 16:08 Maxim Masiutin wrote and made these points MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) is available at MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar ... U -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpWNQtDtltdL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA)
Hello All! The Bat! 8.5.8.3 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8583-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.3 since 8.5.8.2: [-] 0001512: Long headers do not fit on the header pane (Russian) [-] 0001513: Truncated option in header properites (Russian translation) [-] 0001508: Inserting symbols via ASCII codes is broken in the HTML editor [-] 0001505: Wrong encoding of two Polish characters [-] 0001499: Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L doesn't restore account and common folders [-] 0001515: System's HTML viewer displays the HTML-code instead of the message [-] 0001514: Truncated options in virtual folder's properties [-] 0001504: Error message "The system cannot find the file specified" while double-clicking in "Subject:" on the header pane [-] 0001509: Extra empty line in "Memo" while creating a new contact [-] 0001503: Shift+Ctrl+V inserts a word with the cursor in the middle of it [-] 0001516: Incorrect selection of emails after a drag-and-drop move operation [-] 0001450: CTRL-W broken [-] 0001497: Irrelevant flagging of messages while expanding message list threads [-] The Find Lost Folder command didn't work properly since The Bat! version 8.2.4.1 released on January 25, 2018 -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Director Ritlabs, SRL www.ritlabs.com Current beta is 8.5.8.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
